Fastpass return or replacement?

[bsmcneil]

I kept thinking that at first, this was (basically) a 10+% ticket increase. Except ... I forgot it was daily (although one can choose, theoretically, whether you have it each day). So that's significant!

 

[DizneyFamof4]

One interesting thing about it is that they could certainly create packages that include Genie+ or maybe even a paid LL attraction. They can use it as incentive during slower times like they did with free dining, and that may look attractive to on-site guests.

"Slower times" what's that? LOL WDW does not like to give anything away, FD is a big cash cow for them.

 

[BrianL]

"Slower times" what's that? LOL WDW does not like to give anything away, FD is a big cash cow for them.

The Dining Plan is certainly a cahs cow, but Free Dining is the incentive they use to fill hotel rooms. I'm sure it makes them more in the long run, but that's what they do in slower seasons, which are certianly becomming less so. Still, this is an option they can use to fill those rooms when needed instead of free dining, if they want to anyway.

 

[Pinocc63]

I can tell you that the days when we slept in and arrived around noon, and when I did that stupid run around the park for FP-, I was greeted by a lot of kiosks that already were covered up. The most happiest day for us was when they got rid of that system and went to FP+. I would much rather pay for FP+ and be able to pick and choose and schedule my day, then this Genie crap where you will need to get up early and then it's next available time with no control of it.

This is me! We have three teenage kids who stay up later and lie in later as the vacation goes on. With FP+ we started later, great rides were planned, arguments averted as rides chosen beforehand and it worked well to give us a stress free day at the park. The thought of having to wake up for 7am on vacation, and then have little control over what we can do makes me so sad. I may be wrong but I can’t see how this will be an improvement.

 

[mi*vida*loca]

I can tell you that the days when we slept in and arrived around noon, and when I did that stupid run around the park for FP-, I was greeted by a lot of kiosks that already were covered up. The most happiest day for us was when they got rid of that system and went to FP+. I would much rather pay for FP+ and be able to pick and choose and schedule my day, then this Genie crap where you will need to get up early and then it's next available time with no control of it.

We only went 3 times before FP+. The first time I didn’t even know what a FP was. The second time we did maybe 1-2 in MK but the kids were young and we didn’t do many. Maybe space and splash. The third time we did more but not too many since it was a pain zig zagging through the park so we gave up quickly.

Once FP+ was announced I was in love from day 1. Now we’re back to legacy FP but a digital version that you have to get up super early for.

 

[ShayBells]

I feel like I remember CMs handing out paper comeback any time to ride FPs when rides broke down, extra pixie dust, etc. I wonder if this will ever come into play and how they’ll handle it. Or if there will be no more pixie dust when it comes to Genie+.

 

[snowwhite84]

Does anyone know how they handled MaxPass in DL when a ride broke down?

 

[BrianL]

Does anyone know how they handled MaxPass in DL when a ride broke down?

It was the same as if you had a paper FP. You would get an anytime that you could use for that same ride later or on a number of otehr attractions excluding a handful. Remember, they did have free FP still at that time, just MaxPass gave you better/faster access.

 

[snowwhite84]

It was the same as if you had a paper FP. You would get an anytime that you could use for that same ride later or on a number of otehr attractions excluding a handful. Remember, they did have free FP still at that time, just MaxPass gave you better/faster access.

So would it be fair to assume they would do the same with G+? I think I would be fine with that.

 

[twincruisers]

In the current incarnation with no FP at DL the CM's issued FP with no time limits on to our account (via ticket scan on the DL app) when RotR broke down. We just showed our tickets 90 mins later after the ride was up and running and they let us in. I'm pretty sure that this will be rebranded into a no-time limit LL pass. So yeah G+ and $LL should all work fine with that setup. It also didn't count against any other # of pass restrictions when you were given a no-time limit FP in terms of quantity of FP tickets held at once.

 

[BrianL]

So would it be fair to assume they would do the same with G+? I think I would be fine with that.

I would assume. It's the paid attractions where it gets tricky I would guess. There msut be come kind of guarantee if you can't ride it.

 

[DizneyFamof4]

It was the same as if you had a paper FP. You would get an anytime that you could use for that same ride later or on a number of otehr attractions excluding a handful. Remember, they did have free FP still at that time, just MaxPass gave you better/faster access.

The bad part about it is, if it was a tier 1 ride the "anytime" FP was only good for the original FP ride and not for any other tier 1 rides. So if the original ride never opened back up, you pretty much got shafted from a tier 1 ride.

 

[bookgirl2632]

Let me see if I have this correct. Resort guests can reserve a Genie+ attraction each morning starting at 7am. They can also purchase a Lightning Lane pass for a headliner, also to be reserved at 7am. Add to that the reserving of the Virtual Queues for Rise and probably Remy. Am I right on this? If so, how is someone supposed to prioritize what to go for first? I mean, of course you try for the VQs of Rise or Remy if you are visiting either of those parks. But if you do, you are probably screwing yourself out of good passes for other rides.

And I have no problem being up that early. I usually am anyway for work and when at Disney, we really only sleep in on pool days. I just think that having all those things happening at 7am is crazy. They better beef up the wifi and cell towers.

 

[CopperCreek28]

Rope drop for the Tier 1 “Individual Selection” rides is going to be brutal. Disney’s left guests with only two choices: pay up to $20 per person, or wait in a long standby line that moves at a snail’s pace. That’s even more incentive for everyone and their brother to stampede those rides first thing.

Resort guests will probably be able to ride one Tier 1 ride for free — IF they early-entry rope drop before the slow-moving lines build. Thing is, so many resorts are included in this “perk” that the early rope drop will still be insane.

**Offsite guests might as well sleep in, schedule their first Genie+ and purchase two Tier 1s from bed, and show up in the park later. Rope drop will be almost useless for them.**

eta: **This part was incorrect - very sorry. Offsite have to be in the park to book Tier 1 Genie+. What a mess!

I don’t think Early rope drop divided between 4 parks everyday will be as bad as people are saying.

 

[twincruisers]

Let me see if I have this correct. Resort guests can reserve a Genie+ attraction each morning starting at 7am. They can also purchase a Lightning Lane pass for a headliner, also to be reserved at 7am. Add to that the reserving of the Virtual Queues for Rise and probably Remy. Am I right on this? If so, how is someone supposed to prioritize what to go for first? I mean, of course you try for the VQs of Rise or Remy if you are visiting either of those parks. But if you do, you are probably screwing yourself out of good passes for other rides.

And I have no problem being up that early. I usually am anyway for work and when at Disney, we really only sleep in on pool days. I just think that having all those things happening at 7am is crazy. They better beef up the wifi and cell towers.

So assuming you are staying on-site.
At 7am #1) You would go for the VQ for RotR or Remy depending on your park reservation.
At 7:00:30 #2) You would book your IAS/$LL/LL+ for one or two rides.
At 7:01 #3) if you didn't already have your G+, you would buy that now and select your one ride.

By 7:05 you would have got whatever you wanted to get done one way or another. The first 2 should be pretty quick, it's the 3rd one that you may be behind a few people who are not interested in the IAS option. Overall you're still further ahead than the people who are off-site who can't book a G+ till they are in-park. If Early Magic Mornings come back, G+ may not matter as much to the Type A Planners.

 

[Jrb1979]

So assuming you are staying on-site.
At 7am #1) You would go for the VQ for RotR or Remy depending on your park reservation.
At 7:00:30 #2) You would book your IAS/$LL/LL+ for one or two rides.
At 7:01 #3) if you didn't already have your G+, you would buy that now and select your one ride.

By 7:05 you would have got whatever you wanted to get done one way or another. The first 2 should be pretty quick, it's the 3rd one that you may be behind a few people who are not interested in the IAS option. Overall you're still further ahead than the people who are off-site who can't book a G+ till they are in-park. If Early Magic Mornings come back, G+ may not matter as much to the Type A Planners.

You aren't further ahead. Anyone with Genie+ can book at 7 am. The only benefit for staying on site is booking IAS options.

 

[snowwhite84]

You aren't further ahead. Anyone with Genie+ can book at 7 am. The only benefit for staying on site is booking IAS options.

What is IAS, please?

 

[coolbrook]

Does everyone think we will be able to scan magic bands at the LL entrance or will we need to have our phones out to scan and enter? I prefer the speed and ease of Magic bands to fumbling with my phone.

 

[Sandisw]

yeah or u could pick another ride that does have a evening slot and then after 2 hours it should let u pick another one

well we are hoping there will be a time limit until u can pick another one anyway and not need to wait until the time of the ride if it is hours away

It will be interesting, but that is why I do think that they won't allow passes to be available for too far out in the future. With only one at a time, and so many rides available as a choice, there really isn't a reason to as guests will just have to chose something else and keep trying.

Its why I can see a park hopper not necessarily being used the same way it had so people can work on getting all the GP+ rides done at one park each day.

 

[Pens Fan]

Does everyone think we will be able to scan magic bands at the LL entrance or will we need to have our phones out to scan and enter? I prefer the speed and ease of Magic bands to fumbling with my phone.

Considering that they are still selling Magic Bands, then yeah. You're going to be able to use them. They don't want to lose that revenue stream so they won't disincentivize the need to own a Magic Band.