Happy Disney 2017

[Ursula's Apprentice]

We have a WINNER, WINNER, CHICKEN DINNER

#micdrop

Kind of an obvious one...surprised no one else said it before me lol.

 

[sachilles]

See above...

You're joking; right?

You want "luxury" by current Disney standards with no longterm commitment? Pay when and if the budget says "ok"?

That ship has sailed.

Look at wilderness...
It was fantastic and a good deal...they jacked it until it wasn't a good deal and the bookings fell to (reportedly) 50%...then they said "screw you" and built more locked in villas. "Copper Pot Villas at covered bridge pass"...or whatever the hell.

Nope, not kidding. The bubble has burst and they know it. It will be a moderate +, with many, many pay extra upcharges. Counting on people not noticing until check out that they've paid more than a deluxe.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Kind of an obvious one...surprised no one else said it before me lol.

I'm kicking myself

 

[Ursula's Apprentice]

I'm kicking myself

It's ok, we still love you.
I'm pretty sure I was just temporarily possessed by the spirit of LoL while I was typing. Yep, that was it.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Nope, not kidding. The bubble has burst and they know it. It will be a moderate +, with many, many pay extra upcharges. Counting on people not noticing until check out that they've paid more than a deluxe.

I agree the bubble has burst...but I disagree they would address it that way.

Those that used to pay $250-300 gladly for deluxe and now won't or can't pay $500 for the same won't be rewarded with a prime soft landing spot in the $250 range.

Or those that want to go up from the $125 moderates "a little" and pay $225-250 were they currently stand.

They aren't interested in budgets..."pay or go away"

My evidence is empirical: they have not touched rack room construction in forever...and the DVC has escalated. You can tell what someone is thinking when they make no qualms about hiding it.

Their next "move" on Hotel construction is gonna be interesting. The poly DVC isn't flying off the shelves and they are gonna have a hell of a time at wilderness lodge...we'll see.

They may have to go "Sub-value" and do more stripped down motels to attract a broader base.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It's ok, we still love you.
I'm pretty sure I was just temporarily possessed by the spirit of LoL while I was typing. Yep, that was it.

Perfect...I'll take credit...

Can somebody get me a little ticket/counter banner by the minute until the new and improved "after hours magic" starts??

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Special event ticket prices will increase by 20% from 2016 prices. I expect the October 31 MNSSHP to cost upwards of $125/person.

I hope you're right...that blast would go over about as well as a neutron bomb.

 

[sachilles]

I agree the bubble has burst...but I disagree they would address it that way.

Those that used to pay $250-300 gladly for deluxe and now won't or can't pay $500 for the same won't be rewarded with a prime soft landing spot in the $250 range.

Or those that want to go up from the $125 moderates "a little" and pay $225-250 were they currently stand.

They aren't interested in budgets..."pay or go away"

My evidence is empirical: they have not touched rack room construction in forever...and the DVC has escalated. You can tell what someone is thinking when they make no qualms about hiding it.

Their next "move" on Hotel construction is gonna be interesting. The poly DVC isn't flying off the shelves and they are gonna have a hell of a time at wilderness lodge...we'll see.

They may have to go "Sub-value" and do more stripped down motels to attract a broader base.

I disagree with you, and this is why. They've discovered the private DVC point rental has under cut them. After the initial surge from DVC sales, the folks that own shares are renting them out into exactly the market I'm referring too.
What does disney hate? when some outside source makes money in their own system...uber for example. DVC points rental is the uber of the lodging revenue stream. There is money being made there, and disney wants some. Maximize your owners, then rob them of their rental clients by undercutting them....so that maybe it isn't worth renting the points out, but still worth it to visit regularly.
There is a whole segment of visitor that is deal savvy enough, to know the DVC concept but not quite foolish enough to buy in. They take advantage of it. Disney will do what they do best and exploit it.

 

[Madonna3]

I like them all except the seven seas lagoon drone show. I think the next drone show will be at Epcot.

Disagree with that one., however, I see why you'd say that. The globe is getting tired.

 

[Madonna3]

Special event ticket prices will increase by 20% from 2016 prices. I expect the October 31 MNSSHP to cost upwards of $125/person.

Sadly this would not surprise me, but it would price me out of the event.

 

[Madonna3]

I disagree with you, and this is why. They've discovered the private DVC point rental has under cut them. After the initial surge from DVC sales, the folks that own shares are renting them out into exactly the market I'm referring too.
What does disney hate? when some outside source makes money in their own system...uber for example. DVC points rental is the uber of the lodging revenue stream. There is money being made there, and disney wants some. Maximize your owners, then rob them of their rental clients by undercutting them....so that maybe it isn't worth renting the points out, but still worth it to visit regularly.
There is a whole segment of visitor that is deal savvy enough, to know the DVC concept but not quite foolish enough to buy in. They take advantage of it. Disney will do what they do best and exploit it.

As someone who rents points I completely agree with you and I wonder how I've been able to get away with it so long. Clearly, the owners have proven a price point that people are willing to pay judging by the fact that DVC inventory is constantly full and the HUGE demand on the market. However, there's a negative side to this for me as well. While I can make instant money on my points, I can't book a room when *I* want to because the inventory is saturated with non-owners. So, I would actually like to see Disney do something about it in the sense of lowering deluxe room prices so that the DVC market is less in demand

Edit to add, I also feel the deluxe market prices are inflated BECAUSE of DVC.

 

[rteetz]

Disagree with that one., however, I see why you'd say that. The globe is getting tired.

I don't think drones would replace the entire show just become part of it. Personally I like the globe.

 

[Madonna3]

I don't think drones would replace the entire show just become part of it. Personally I like the globe.

Ah, then yes, I think drones are going to be a big part of Disney shows in the future. Also, not saying I don't like the globe, just that it's getting tired.

 

[Madonna3]

See above...

You're joking; right?

You want "luxury" by current Disney standards with no longterm commitment? Pay when and if the budget says "ok"?

That ship has sailed.

Look at wilderness...
It was fantastic and a good deal...they jacked it until it wasn't a good deal and the bookings fell to (reportedly) 50%...then they said "screw you" and built more locked in villas. "Copper Pot Villas at covered bridge pass"...or whatever the hell.

Grr @lockedoutlogic, there's goes my tea again...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

As someone who rents points I completely agree with you and I wonder how I've been able to get away with it so long. Clearly, the owners have proven a price point that people are willing to pay judging by the fact that DVC inventory is constantly full and the HUGE demand on the market. However, there's a negative side to this for me as well. While I can make instant money on my points, I can't book a room when *I* want to because the inventory is saturated with non-owners. So, I would actually like to see Disney do something about it in the sense of lowering deluxe room prices so that the DVC market is less in demand

I agree with the rental "issue" at DVC...but they are much more likely to lock that off given they can do anything they want to the contract...than build and take on the huge operational cost to pull people out of that back into moderates...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Grr @lockedoutlogic, there's goes my tea again...

...one of these days...I'm gonna finish you off.

Let me know the next time you're eating circus peanuts

 

[sachilles]

My thought on the drones is that they just aren't wow enough on their own. They need be part of a bigger production, OR not be such a featured show. Disney Springs makes sense as it's a free area...what do you expect for free? To work them into a big production, sure seems like a hurdle that maybe they just aren't ready for yet. I envision the lanterns from Tangled, being a nice way to leave with warm fuzzies as you are leaving the park. Not so loud to wake the kids sleeping in the strollers. Doesn't even need music.

 

[Madonna3]

I agree with the rental "issue" at DVC...but they are much more likely to lock that off given they can do anything they want to the contract...than build and take on the huge operational cost to pull people out of that back into moderates...

What? I'm not talking about pulling people into the moderates. I am talking about reducing the inflated deluxe pricing which is that way because of DVC and reduce the per night cost at Deluxe to be more in line with the price point that DVC owners are renting their points out.

I mean, it's also a win for Disney. They get occupancy, but do none of the work and the DVC owners pay for it.

 

[ElyseInWonderland]

Folks predicting a new Disney resort hotel or an exclusive DVC property-- any thoughts about theming?

 

[lockedoutlogic]

What? I'm not talking about pulling people into the moderates. I am talking about reducing the inflated deluxe pricing which is that way because of DVC and reduce the per night cost at Deluxe to be more in line with the price point that DVC owners are renting their points out.

I mean, it's also a win for Disney. They get occupancy, but do none of the work and the DVC owners pay for it.

Oh I see...but the net effect is the same: disney taking on more operational and employee expense to convince people to book at a reduced rate.

They aren't playing that game these days.