PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

After considering buying 100 points direct at Poly as add on and there being no incentives for the 100 points ended up signing a contract for 150 points today resale for less money in total than you 100 direct would have been after factoring value of 2023 points. Adding on to 275 resale poly we already own bought during the late winter lows. Already being blue card not enough value to be able essentially use at Revenge of Reflections someday for the cost difference. Using at Disneyland at 7 months is a joke being a family of 5 and we actually own our direct points there and already own resale at Riviera. I wonder how many buyers Disney is losing to resale now that values are starting to come back out of orbit.
What you just did seems a rather obvious pitfall of Disney adding the tower to the existing association. I suppose this loss is offset by reeling in new buyers who are pixie dusted and have no awareness of the resale market.

Adding this tower to the existing association is not going to be as appealing to existing members who can go get the same thing, thousands of dollars cheaper. 🤷‍♂️
 
I can’t disagree, but more than the pricing, which was more or less what I expected, it is the villas/view breakdown and what I imagine will be the difficulty to book certain rooms even at 11mos that pushed me from wanting another 150-200 points to 50-75 that I’m currently contemplating. I know it seems counterintuitive to get less points knowing how expensive those larger villas are, but I just don’t want to compete with so many points in the system with so few villas available. I think we might save our trips that need bigger rooms for VGF or RIV. I’m nervous about what the competition is going to look like through the year. As others have said, it was a big miss not to have had more duo, 1, and 2bdrm villas 🤷🏼‍♀️
Exactly. I was planning to go big and buy enough points for one bedrooms but then the price, point chart, and room breakdown has me on the sidelines scratching my head. May shift to a small add on and stick to studios at Poly and larger units elsewhere.
 
Exactly. I was planning to go big and buy enough points for one bedrooms but then the price, point chart, and room breakdown has me on the sidelines scratching my head. May shift to a small add on and stick to studios at Poly and larger units elsewhere.
I’m in a similar boat. We need a one bedroom but the points are hefty. Right now I’m on the sidelines waiting. We have a small existing contract that I will use and just pick up more points off the resale market. I may wait till the hype dies down some in a few months or a year.
 
Does Disney usually ROFR on new resorts?
Everyone knew the Poly Tower was being built, but no one was sure if it would be a brand new DVC timeshare on its own, or if it would just be added into the Poly resort and use the same points. But once Disney started ROFRing everything that wasn't international, it was a big clue it they were starting to add to their Poly points stash at a cheap price, so they would have extra to sell when the tower opened. It really put a lot of upward pressure on the Poly resale market so prices really went a lot higher.
 
I've thought about this, too. And just because DVD can pull from developer's inventory for introductory stays doesn't also mean that, when you call, they'll have the days, room, and view that you wanted. It all could work out fine, but I'm wondering how much thought has been put into these very soft promises.
And that’s why I’m not signing until the window to rescind overlaps Oct 15th. If this works out for me it will be lovely, and if it doesn’t it will be very easy to walk away, the only loss will be my time. Poly resale points have started to come down, that “day after Christmas” feeling is starting to set in, and epic universe is knocking on the door. Let’s see what happens on the 15th … are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay? What if I need to use a couple of my old poly points are they going to be petty and tell me I cant touch those? 🤷🏼‍♀️ either make the magic, or don’t make magic … but im not gonna buy crap and pretend it’s magic.
 
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But once Disney started ROFRing everything that wasn't international, it was a big clue it they were starting to add to their Poly points stash at a cheap price, so they would have extra to sell when the tower opened. It really put a lot of upward pressure on the Poly resale market so prices really went a lot higher.
I don't think they've been "ROFRing everything that wasn't international" - as of August they had taken less than 10% of submitted contracts (for the Board sponsor, that publishes an ROFR report) and there continue to be plenty of PVB "pass" reports in the ROFR thread here.

Agree that SOME activity with ROFR has helped to push up prices, but it's far from everything and was a return from months of nothing in 2023.
 
And that’s why I’m not signing until the window to rescind overlaps Oct 15th. If this works out for me it will be lovely, and if it doesn’t it will be very easy to walk away, the only loss will be my time. Poly resale points have started to come down, that “day after Christmas” feeling is starting to set in, and epic universe is knocking on the door. Let’s see what happens on the 15th … are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay? What if I need to use a couple of my old poly points are they going to be petty and tell me I cant touch those? 🤷🏼‍♀️ either make the magic, or don’t make magic … but im not gonna buy crap and pretend it’s magic.
Very well said
 
And that’s why I’m not signing until the window to rescind overlaps Oct 15th. If this works out for me it will be lovely, and if it doesn’t it will be very easy to walk away, the only loss will be my time. Poly resale points have started to come down, that “day after Christmas” feeling is starting to set in, and epic universe is knocking on the door. Let’s see what happens on the 15th … are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay? What if I need to use a couple of my old poly points are they going to be petty and tell me I cant touch those? 🤷🏼‍♀️ either make the magic, or don’t make magic … but im not gonna buy crap and pretend it’s magic.
Old poly points and new poly points are the same. DVC can't legally differentiate. If you already own poly, you can book starting October 15.

What does Epic Universe have to do with anything? You buy DVC if you like it, don't if you don't. There is no equivalent to a timeshare at Universal.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay?'
 
Old poly points and new poly points are the same. DVC can't legally differentiate. If you already own poly, you can book starting October 15.

What does Epic Universe have to do with anything? You buy DVC if you like it, don't if you don't. There is no equivalent to a timeshare at Universal.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay?'
Earlier in the thread various people posted that their guides said that on the 15th DVC member services will let you book their developer inventory (that hasn't been declared into DVC yet and isn't bookable with points normally) with the newly purchased points for a first Island Tower booking, but not with older Poly points. In the normal booking system, yes all Poly points will be the same, but it seems like they are doing a sort of "welcome home" first stay for new purchasers of Poly Tower points. Disney can do what they want with the undeclared rooms so until they declare it into the DVC system they can differentiate bookings for those rooms between new purchasers and old Poly point holders.
 
Earlier in the thread various people posted that their guides said that on the 15th DVC member services will let you book their developer inventory (that hasn't been declared into DVC yet and isn't bookable with points normally) with the newly purchased points for a first Island Tower booking, but not with older Poly points.

If that's a strong reason for anyone to buy, I suggest having the rescind window overlap with Oct 15, just in case developer inventory "runs out" quickly...
 
Old poly points and new poly points are the same. DVC can't legally differentiate. If you already own poly, you can book starting October 15.

What does Epic Universe have to do with anything? You buy DVC if you like it, don't if you don't. There is no equivalent to a timeshare at Universal.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay?'
I live locally, I don’t book my points in full weeks. A traditional “welcome home” visit in the past, if you could even get it ( more people don’t than do) was a single booking that they would pull from cash inventory if you were brand new to DVC. This appears to be a different situation in that the majority of the inventory has been held back, and a token amount is being released. On Oct 15th the declared inventory will be open for booking, but we’re looking for the “good stuff” not the stuff out on the shelf, the stuff behind the counter … how do we get that? … that’s what’s in question because it’s all rumor and speculation.
 
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If that's a strong reason for anyone to buy, I suggest having the rescind window overlap with Oct 15, just in case developer inventory "runs out" quickly...
I think DVC is smart enough to manage declarations and inventory to make sure they are barely dipping into developer inventory to begin with. If they sell a ton of points this week, they’ll make another declaration prior to the 15th.
 
I can’t disagree, but more than the pricing, which was more or less what I expected, it is the villas/view breakdown and what I imagine will be the difficulty to book certain rooms even at 11mos that pushed me from wanting another 150-200 points to 50-75 that I’m currently contemplating. I know it seems counterintuitive to get less points knowing how expensive those larger villas are, but I just don’t want to compete with so many points in the system with so few villas available. I think we might save our trips that need bigger rooms for VGF or RIV. I’m nervous about what the competition is going to look like through the year. As others have said, it was a big miss not to have had more duo, 1, and 2bdrm villas 🤷🏼‍♀️
This was us exactly except we are now looking at adding on 50-75 more points at RIV to extend our stays in the larger villas (which there are just way more of in inventory than at the new Poly Tower). As a family of 5 that prefers 1BRs and 2BRs (if we bring a grandparent along), the relative lack of villas in the Poly Tower was a huge detractor. I also have concerns over availability of those rooms at the 11 month booking window with all of the Poly points that are, and will be, in the system. That said, the rooms look lovely and am happy for anyone that buys, it’s just unfortunately not the right fit for our family so I think we’ll stick with looking onto adding more points at VGF or RIV.
 
Is there any way we can tell what has been declared? I’m looking for 2br std, but worried the inventory will be too low to book with existing poly points and I’d need the “help”.
If I CAN use those points only need to add on 55 or 110 (depending if I want to borrow). These are reasonable add ons for me now.
If I can not I need 174. I don’t quite want 174 direct points right now since we already have a blue card.

No matter what I choose I will absolutely be going in with the 10 day window.

**the only real long term incentive for the 174, is bumping to 176 FW 44 as a New Jersey family. **

I need to be put in point jail. I actually already am, but I’m breaking out I think.
 
the villas/view breakdown and what I imagine will be the difficulty to book certain rooms even at 11mos that pushed me from wanting another 150-200 points to 50-75 that I’m currently contemplating. I know it seems counterintuitive to get less points knowing how expensive those larger villas are, but I just don’t want to compete with so many points in the system with so few villas available.

The bolded text is exactly the reason I bought the fixed week - my magic 8 ball says the Tower will be popular for a long time, and it says there is a universe of people that will overpay in cash or points to stay there all the time. I don't have time to stalk the reservation system for peak time availability, so fixed week 1 bdrm villa TP view solves that problem for me. If buying where you want to stay (not SAP), I have become a big fan of fixed week contracts thanks to the All About Fixed Weeks thread on these forums.

In the normal booking system, yes all Poly points will be the same, but it seems like they are doing a sort of "welcome home" first stay for new purchasers of Poly Tower points.

They are indeed - my guide confirmed same when I bought the fixed week contract with 2024 points that cannot be used for my week #50 in 2024 (because #50 starts before the Tower opens). As long as member services understands the Poly points are newly purchased, they will facilitate a Welcome Home reservation. Interestingly, the first time I booked a Welcome Home reservation was when I bought my OKW points earlier this year and both the DVC system and the cash booking Disney website indicated no availability for room/resort/dates I wanted - but Member Services made it happen anyway! Hope that will be the case again when I call them on 10/15 with my absurd request.

Overall, I want these points for the long haul so it doesn't matter to me whether member services can get me the reservations I want on 10/15. I (and/or my kids) have another 40+ years of using these points - I expect things will even out at some point.
 
Old poly points and new poly points are the same. DVC can't legally differentiate. If you already own poly, you can book starting October 15.

What does Epic Universe have to do with anything? You buy DVC if you like it, don't if you don't. There is no equivalent to a timeshare at Universal.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'are they going to book all the new points into developer inventory or just one stay?'

This is true for declared inventory. What guides have told new buyers is that DVD is going to allow owners with new PVB tower points to trade them for use with undeclared inventory, which belongs to DVd and not PVB association.

This was a move I was convinced would not happen, but sounds like in some form it will. It could be why no MB is being offered since essentially they are doing the same thing.

So, I can see why they will not allow current PVB points to be used for their own rooms, especially since they don’t have to offer owners of new points access to them at all.
 
I live locally, I don’t book my points in full weeks. A traditional “welcome home” visit in the past, if you could even get it ( more people don’t than do) was a single booking that they would pull from cash inventory if you were brand new to DVC. This appears to be a different situation in that the majority of the inventory has been held back, and a token amount is being released. On Oct 15th the declared inventory will be open for booking, but we’re looking for the “good stuff” not the stuff out on the shelf, the stuff behind the counter … how do we get that? … that’s what’s in question because it’s all rumor and speculation.

I don’t think any inventory was held back. The declaration of rooms was very typical of all projects so what was left undeclared is normal.

And, being able to access undeclared inventory is not the same as everyone who wants to stay in a certain room type will get it. Just like a typical welcome home stay for new buyers doesn’t always yield what they want.

My guess is this will be the same. Call in on the 15th and MS will be able to secure something for a stay with the new points in developer inventory if it is not available via the declared.

We will have to see how it actually plays out and for how long this is a special thing for current owners.
 
DH was really excited to buy a 1 BR FW and who am I to say no! We already have direct and resale, but watching that tower being built and always hoping we'd get more options in our MK dream location was exciting. I knew it was going to be ridiculous, but thought, maybe we just get a studio FW and then move to a 1 BR somewhere else on property for a week or so to do laundry LOL!

We are going to tour in a few weeks when we are staying at Poly (son and DIL will be at SSR) with our guide who we adore. It is not likely we will be buying direct. We are looking at other options at BWV and BCV crazy as that is. We may expire before the resorts do so WTH.

NOTE OF CAUTION SOMEWHAT OFF TOPIC: JUST GOT A FAKE DOCUSIGN! I HAVE NOTHING IN THE "WORKS" SO TO SPEAK!

>:(
 
I get it.

Let old PVB owners and other resort owners fight over the minimally declared inventory and let new PVB buyers use Members Services to access developer inventory for their first stay with a lot less competition.

This will lead to a lot fewer people angry they can’t use their new points.

And… as more points are sold…. more inventory gets declared. Rent out the delta at a premium.
 
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I love WDW. I'm typing this from Jambo House. But Disney did not have the pulse of the DVC community on this one. There was a lot of hype, a lot of anticipation--which should've led to easy sales--bute instead led to people simply walking away, shifting over to resale or just to the sidelines. It'll now be near impossible to recapture the hype and anticipation that many people felt (that should've led to sales) from watching the tower being built for the last two years. I imagine that someone from DVD at leasts scans the boards. So maybe this helps moving forward. Their play, I believe, was to squeeze emotionally-centered buyers at a higher price, but I sorta think it didn't go as planned. I do plan to look at the Poly room mockup over at SSR sometime this week, but I've typed various numbers into the add-on tool and, without incentives, I keep thinking, I can get nearly double the points elsewhere for the sum that comes up.
Respectfully, this board and resale buyers in general are the spreadsheet crowd, and not the majority of DVD’s market.

Most buyers will be people who buy direct and never churn their contracts, and I believe there’s an accurate calculation here on their part that they can make more $ overall by selling to John Q Public walking past a DVC booth than offering steep discounts to the DVC faithful.
 


















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