CFW Sales Tracking - includes all proofed county deeds through 3/31/25

[maui22]

This is based on manually gathered data from deeds on the county comptroller website.

Includes all proofed county deeds through 3/31/25.

So far, I have seen a spread of up to 93 days between a CFW "Palm Tree" date and the county recorded date. (PVB data has up to 142 days).
These delays are likely people delaying their initial deposit and then spreading the 3 payments out.

Month/Year	County Recorded Deeds	Points based on Recorded Date	Deeds based on Palm Tree	Points based on Palm Tree Date
2/24	69	7159	136	15351
3/24	94	12276	69	9662
4/24	49	6902	40	5695
5/24	31	3940	25	3680
6/24	35	5351	28	4310
7/24	42	6560	39	6340
8/24	22	3400	37	5445
9/24	43	6445	46	6835
10/24	21	5560	30	5060
11/24	37	3325	16	2300
12/24	37	5985	47	7995
1/25	62	10140	66	10370
2/25	57	8680	50	7020
3/25	46	7065	16	2725

• February 2024
• March 2024
• May 2024
• June 2024
• July 2024
• August 2024
• September 2024
• October 2024
• November 2024
• December 2024
• January 2025
• February 2025
• March 2025

Breakdown by UY

UY	Deeds	Points
FEB	103	13,900
MAR	55	7,341
APR	81	11,967
JUN	105	15,652
AUG	94	12,685
SEP	55	8,852
OCT	55	8,120
DEC	97	14,271

FW

FW#	Unit Type	# Deeds
16	Cabin	1
17	Cabin	1
26	Cabin	1
40	Cabin	1
43	Cabin	6
44	Cabin	2
47	Cabin	1
49	Cabin	2
50	Cabin	1
52	Cabin	1

 

[ehh]

What do we think that burst of sales is in January? Lowered price from the mid-Dec price update, post-announce of a decrease in dues, and maybe some purchases after Christmas 'try out' stays?

 

[Sprinkles&Sprints]

What do we think that burst of sales is in January? Lowered price from the mid-Dec price update, post-announce of a decrease in dues, and maybe some purchases after Christmas 'try out' stays?

Yep, that would be my guess - I bought CCV right after a Christmas visit!

 

[ehh]

This is based on manually gathered data from deeds on the county comptroller website.

Includes partial data through 3/12/25. (I need to proof my own data from 3/10/25-3/12/25)

So far, I have seen a spread of up to 93 days between a CFW "Palm Tree" date and the county recorded date. (PVB data has up to 118 days).
These delays are likely people delaying their initial deposit and then spreading the 3 payments out. We were offered up to 45 days delay in initial payment, followed by two more payments 30 days apart in December 2025 (total of 105 days we were offered). Additionally, the offer was valid for some number of days, putting it close to the 118 days.

Month/Year	County Recorded Deeds	Points based on Recorded Date	Deeds based on Palm Tree	Points based on Palm Tree Date
2/24	69	7159	136	15351
3/24	94	12276	69	9662
4/24	49	6902	40	5695
5/24	31	3940	25	3680
6/24	35	5351	28	4310
7/24	42	6560	39	6340
8/24	22	3400	37	5445
9/24	43	6445	46	6835
10/24	21	5560	30	5060
11/24	37	3325	16	2300
12/24	37	5985	46	7745
1/25	62	10140	65	10220
2/25	57	8680	39	5610
3/25	17	2530	0	0

Thanks @maui22 for tracking all of this! I know from first-hand experience how much work compiling this is, and you're going the extra mile with the Palm Tree Date!

If I'm adding these numbers up right, looks like ~88k points have been recorded to date and ~83k sold in the first year (this number will grow a little...).

To recontextualize those figures:

• 88k points is equivalent to ~11.25 cabins at year-round occupancy. They've declared 63...
  • So only 4 more years of sales at this pace before they ought to start thinking about a second declaration.
• The number of resorts that had 88k points sold in just a single month:
  • Honestly, probably all of them!
• At 88k pts or ~11 cabins sold per year, they won't sell out before the cabin structures hit their 30yr limit before replacement.

Lakeshore Lodge, you're CFW's only hope...

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

What do we think that burst of sales is in January? Lowered price from the mid-Dec price update, post-announce of a decrease in dues, and maybe some purchases after Christmas 'try out' stays?

I think it was maybe also the threat of base price increases in February that motivated some movement in Jan and early Feb. We bought more poly points then originally planned knowing the increase was coming

 

[patm95]

This is based on manually gathered data from deeds on the county comptroller website.

Includes partial data through 3/12/25. (I need to proof my own data from 3/10/25-3/12/25)

So far, I have seen a spread of up to 93 days between a CFW "Palm Tree" date and the county recorded date. (PVB data has up to 118 days).
These delays are likely people delaying their initial deposit and then spreading the 3 payments out. We were offered up to 45 days delay in initial payment, followed by two more payments 30 days apart in December 2025 (total of 105 days we were offered). Additionally, the offer was valid for some number of days, putting it close to the 118 days.

Month/Year	County Recorded Deeds	Points based on Recorded Date	Deeds based on Palm Tree	Points based on Palm Tree Date
2/24	69	7159	136	15351
3/24	94	12276	69	9662
4/24	49	6902	40	5695
5/24	31	3940	25	3680
6/24	35	5351	28	4310
7/24	42	6560	39	6340
8/24	22	3400	37	5445
9/24	43	6445	46	6835
10/24	21	5560	30	5060
11/24	37	3325	16	2300
12/24	37	5985	46	7745
1/25	62	10140	65	10220
2/25	57	8680	39	5610
3/25	17	2530	0	0

We were told we could only have 60 days for payment. 2 payments 30 days spaced out. This was beginning of Feb.

 

[Girlstar30]

We were told we could only have 60 days for payment. 2 payments 30 days spaced out. This was beginning of Feb.

I was told this as well

 

[VGCgroupie]

We were told we could only have 60 days for payment. 2 payments 30 days spaced out. This was beginning of Feb.

I was told this as well

Yes this is something new, it used to be 90 days now it's 60.

 

[Kailunkat]

Soooo… what exactly does the “Palm Tree Date”mean? How is that different from the county dates/deeds?

 

[obsesseddisneyfan]

I will also add that there sales team does not follow up. My husband said yes to getting some points so I went online and put in a request to learn more. I got a flyer in the mail 2 months later. By that time we had decided to buy a vacation home so no longer were interested.

 

[Sandisw]

Soooo… what exactly does the “Palm Tree Date”mean? How is that different from the county dates/deeds?

That’s the date the contract is signed. You have Mickey heads where your signature goes and palm trees for the date.

 

[Kailunkat]

Huh - I definitely did not put that together when I bought my direct contract

 

[VGCgroupie]

I will also add that there sales team does not follow up. My husband said yes to getting some points so I went online and put in a request to learn more. I got a flyer in the mail 2 months later. By that time we had decided to buy a ski in ski out condo so no longer were interested.

I found this also with the people you get randomly assigned via the internet. I found a guide recommendation here and emailed him He is a great guide. In the future if you decide to you want to jump in there are a lot of good guides I would get contact info and email them directly.

 

[Girlstar30]

I will also add that there sales team does not follow up. My husband said yes to getting some points so I went online and put in a request to learn more. I got a flyer in the mail 2 months later. By that time we had decided to buy a ski in ski out condo so no longer were interested.

I thought it was interesting that when we went to tour in person the bus took us to the CFW office and it almost seemed like they weren't trying to sell us on purchasing there I know so weird or maybe they know that hasn't been the best way to get people because they didn't take us on a walk around of the property but rather the conversation took a more personal turn and they gave us a quick room tour and then took us straight to polynesian and Riviera even after my wife said she was a nature lover. Much more time was spent discussing those resorts and walking around the premises.

 

[maui22]

Breaking each month into it's own data. It will take me a bit to get each month posted. Unfortunately, I don't know of an easy way to copy the data from Excel into a post on the boards.

Here is the February 2024 data.

Date	County Deeds	County Points	Palm Tree Deeds	Palm Tree Points
2/1/24			20	2153
2/2/24			8	920
2/3/24			3	310
2/4/24			3	350
2/5/24			10	1101
2/6/24			11	1142
2/7/24			5	475
2/8/24			8	584
2/9/24			4	445
2/10/24			8	1025
2/11/24			4	425
2/12/24			5	750
2/13/24
2/14/24			2	125
2/15/24			4	350
2/16/24			1	125
2/17/24			2	150
2/18/24			1	150
2/19/24	9	1228	2	150
2/20/24	13	1376	3	290
2/21/24	10	810	3	425
2/22/24	1	50	1	150
2/23/24	5	575	5	695
2/24/24			3	275
2/25/24			3	200
2/26/24			3	300
2/27/24	7	875	6	976
2/28/24	6	600	6	860
2/29/24	1	125	2	450
Totals	69	7159	136	15531

 

[maui22]

What do we think that burst of sales is in January? Lowered price from the mid-Dec price update, post-announce of a decrease in dues, and maybe some purchases after Christmas 'try out' stays?

My guess would be the try out stays, but to prove how I am bad at understanding why people do things.

I expected better from the the October palm tree dates because of Halloween decorations. Instead, October 24 palm tree data was one of the the third slowest month of sales based on palm tree data. November was the worst (16).

I'm going to post the breakdown by monthly/day breakdowns for both CFW and PVB.

Hoping someone can spot patterns in the data. I think I'm too close to the trees (gathering the data) to see the forest.

 

[maui22]

March 2024 data.

Date	County Deeds	County Points	Palm Tree Deeds	Palm Tree Points
3/1/24			20	2153
3/2/24			8	920
3/3/24			3	310
3/4/24			3	350
3/5/24			10	1101
3/6/24			11	1142
3/7/24			5	475
3/8/24			8	584
3/9/24			4	445
3/10/24			8	1025
3/11/24			4	425
3/12/24	1	150	2	402
3/13/24			2	300
3/14/24			3	500
3/15/24	11	1346	5	676
3/16/24	5	666
3/17/24	5	615	6	800
3/18/24			3	450
3/19/24	8	800	3	425
3/20/24			1	180
3/21/24			1	120
3/22/24	10	1386	3	415
3/23/24	4	535	2	460
3/24/24	1	150	4	400
3/25/24	2	300	4	536
3/26/24			3	385
3/27/24			1	50
3/28/24			1	60
3/29/24	7	1078	2	365
3/30/24
3/31/24			2	225
Totals	94	12276	69	9662

 

[Brian Noble]

Hoping someone can spot patterns in the data.

There may not be any---or there may be, but connected to events you can't see. For example, someone who happens to really like the Fort takes a DVC tour, and a Guide figures that out.

 

[maui22]

April 2024 data.

Date	County Deeds	County Points	Palm Tree Deeds	Palm Tree Points
4/1/24	3	410
4/2/24	6	1106	3	400
4/3/24	5	275	2	330
4/4/24	1	150	5	500
4/5/24	3	210	2	350
4/6/24
4/7/24			1	50
4/8/24	3	301	2	700
4/9/24	2	650	4	660
4/10/24	2	210	1	150
4/11/24			1	100
4/12/24
4/13/24
4/14/24			3	520
4/15/24	3	350	2	175
4/16/24	1	150	1	50
4/17/24	2	350	1	150
4/18/24			1	150
4/19/24	2	365	2	150
4/20/24			1	150
4/21/24			1	150
4/22/24	5	850	1	150
4/23/24			2	300
4/24/24	2	350
4/25/24
4/26/24	1	50	1	50
4/27/24			1	210
4/28/24			1	50
4/29/24	3	550	1	200
4/30/24	5	575
Totals	49	6902	40	5695

 

[maui22]

There may not be any---or there may be, but connected to events you can't see. For example, someone who happens to really like the Fort takes a DVC tour, and a Guide figures that out.

Completely agree. People do things based on their own situation.