Crystal Ball: Where do you see resale prices going for rest of 2025?

[Girlstar30]

The home resort booking period has to be the same for all owners. So, yes, they can shorten it, and then all owners with points that trade via BVTC can have access to that resort.

They can even make each resort a different home resort window. Some could be one month and others longer.

But the rules for trading are based on the resort and not individuals. You have to read the DVC resort agreement for that. Trading is allowed once the home resort period is over.

I do not see them giving home resort owners a shorter window for giving non resort owners access to

As I said, BVTC has a lot of ways to in change trading rules, but I don’t read in any of the DVC resort agreements that would allow for a different trading window based on number of points.

So, they can charge a fee, and they can make a new trading chart, but I see nothing in an DVC resort agreement that allows an owner who has eligible points to be given a different window based on how many points they own.

The one month requirement is the minimum based on FL law…we enjoy 4 months and I don’t see how it benefits DVD to sell with a shorter one.

I can see them making it larger down the line for restricted resorts…to give those owners more time…but shortening doesn’t make logical sense, even assuming they could find a way to support with the DVC resort agreement for each resort.

Oh ok yes that one didn't specifically say it has to be the same for all owners so I didn't know that! Ignore previous post haha

 

[Brian Noble]

I read that I would be responsible for that as well

Of course you would! You are an owner. This is one of the risks of ownership.

 

[ClaraOswald]

Just a reminder,,, let’s not get into talk that can be seen as political…facts…there are new tariffs in place and now that might impact are okay…sharing opinions about it beyond that are not.

Can I add....that if people DO want to discuss any political aspects....come join some of us on the controversial section of the Dis!

 

[AstroBlasters]

Can I add....that if people DO want to discuss any political aspects....come join some of us on the controversial section of the Dis!

It won’t let me access it when I have tried…..

 

[ClaraOswald]

It won’t let me access it when I have tried…..

I believe you need to request access from @WebmasterCorey but I can't remember how to do it.

 

[disneylandtour]

Oh wow! Addressing things head on. I wonder if they are worried? They have a lot of positive press right now.

Yeah, opening a major theme park as the economy goes south--I'm sure they are very worried.

Add in, the areas look great--and there are two stunning attractions, from what I can tell--but I'm not even sure there's enough attractions or shows to make this a full day park...yet. So there's the economic hurdle of the downtrending stock market and lots of layoffs right now. I'm guessing that once reviews come out for Epic--which I think will be very positive--it may become apparent to some that the park will probably be quickly expanded. So I'm guessing that some may sit out the first year or two and fly down when there's a little more in Epic. Again, only a guess.

 

[New Mouse]

Isn't there more than DHS and Ak

Yeah, opening a major theme park as the economy goes south--I'm sure they are very worried.

Add in, the areas look great--and there are two stunning attractions, from what I can tell--but I'm not even sure there's enough attractions or shows to make this a full day park...yet. So there's the economic hurdle of the downtrending stock market and lots of layoffs right now. I'm guessing that once reviews come out for Epic--which I think will be very positive--it may become apparent to some that the park will probably be quickly expanded. So I'm guessing that some may sit out the first year or two and fly down when there's a little more in Epic. Again, only a guess.

Isn't there more than DHS and AK? There's more rides than Epcot as well.

 

[Girlstar30]

There are enough rides and lands to interest people... all the lands have at least two rides i believe... probably more than animal kingdom i was surprised by the lack of rides there

 

[PolyRob]

Isn't there more than DHS and Ak


Isn't there more than DHS and AK? There's more rides than Epcot as well.

I think it's rides vs "attractions."

Epic has 11 rides. Add in "attractions" and I believe it tops out at 17 total. More rides than both AK and DHS, less than Epcot. When you count "attractions" each WDW park currently has more.

 

[PolyRob]

There are enough rides and lands to interest people... all the lands have at least two rides i believe... probably more than animal kingdom i was surprised by the lack of rides there

I just watched a ton of vlogs. Super Nintendo and Isle of Berk each have three. Harry Potter has one. The other two lands have two.

 

[disneylandtour]

Isn't there more than DHS and Ak


Isn't there more than DHS and AK? There's more rides than Epcot as well.

AK is a mess at the moment, with tons of things closed or closing. But DHS is probably a good comparison--but DHS still has a little more overall. Feel free to quibble on which ride goes in which category. I put all the coasters for both parks in the second category. Also, I think that DHS struggles still to be a full day park.

EPIC

Significant attractions (3)
Battle at the Ministry - Potter
Mario Kart - Nintendo World
Monsters Unchained - Dark Universe

Other rides (7)
Carousel - Celestial Park
Curse of the Werewolf - coaster in Dark Universe
Dragon Racer's Rally - Berk
Fyre Drill- boat ride - Berk
Hiccup's Wing Gliders - coaster in Berk
Mine Cart MAdness - coaster in Nintendo World
Yoshi's Adventure - dark ride for kids

And large shows (2)
Le Cirque Arcanus in Potter area
Untrainable Dragon in Berk


DHS

Significant attractions (4)
Rise of the Resistance
Mickey & Minnie's
Tower of Terror
Toy Story Mania

Other rides (5)
Smuggler's Run
Alien Swirling Saucer
Rockin Rollercoaster
Slinky Dog Dash
Star Tours

And large shows (6)
Beauty and the Beast
Fantasmic
Indy Stunt
Frozen - First Time
and by the time Epic opens, Little Mermaid and Villains Unleashed

 

[Girlstar30]

AK is a mess at the moment, with tons of things closed or closing. But DHS is probably a good comparison--but DHS still has a little more overall. Feel free to quibble on which ride goes in which category. I put all the coasters for both parks in the second category. Also, I think that DHS struggles still to be a full day park.

EPIC

Significant attractions (3)
Battle at the Ministry - Potter
Mario Kart - Nintendo World
Monsters Unchained - Dark Universe

Other rides (7)
Carousel - Celestial Park
Curse of the Werewolf - coaster in Dark Universe
Dragon Racer's Rally - Berk
Fyre Drill- boat ride - Berk
Hiccup's Wing Gliders - coaster in Berk
Mine Cart MAdness - coaster in Nintendo World
Yoshi's Adventure - dark ride for kids

And large shows (2)
Le Cirque Arcanus in Potter area
Untrainable Dragon in Berk


DHS

Significant attractions (4)
Rise of the Resistance
Mickey & Minnie's
Tower of Terror
Toy Story Mania

Other rides (5)
Smuggler's Run
Alien Swirling Saucer
Rockin Rollercoaster
Slinky Dog Dash
Star Tours

And large shows (6)
Beauty and the Beast
Fantasmic
Indy Stunt
Frozen - First Time
and by the time Epic opens, Little Mermaid and Villains Unleashed

I will start the quibble with Minecart madness should be significant over mariokart, but mainly because I think the ride in California sucks and I was disappointed

 

[samsp99]

I just watched a ton of vlogs. Super Nintendo and Isle of Berk each have three. Harry Potter has one. The other two lands have two.

I saw a video for harry Potter, they didn't show the ride, but the queue alone should be classified as an attraction on its own.

 

[ocdb8r1]

I think Theme Park attendance has been softening consistently over the past 12 months, which is natural as I don't think it could keep up with the "revenge travel" levels seen immediately post-COVID. This, combined with the geopolitical conversations and messaging that have been going on since the start of the year and now a more uncertain economic outlook, will make it a very interesting time to see how overall costs develop for theme park tickets, experiences and lodging.

What is interesting is that Disney has (had) been able to maintain profits in the experiences division despite this softening as a result of it's incrimental price increases. The message has been that Disney was happy to see lower attendance for the benefit of a "better guest experience". With some promotions now returning, I wonder if they'll be able to maintain things or if they'll have to start discounting more to keep up some volume.

I've also been curiously watching Epic Universe. Initial positioning seemed to be that 1-day tickets would not be offered to anyone...then only AP holders...now to everyone. Many thought they'd never offer any form of Express Pass during the first 6-12 months, and now we have a bevy of EP options. Based on availability, hotel bookings look softer than I would have thought they anticipated (few to no "sold out" dates). All that said, pricing seems to be quite robust. I think we'll need to watch how demand develops once the hoards of "influencers and creators" get their initial fill and regular schmucks like myself have to pony up to experience the new park. I suspect they'll have a nice honeymoon period but if trends continue, the park and new hotels will have brought online a LOT of extra capacity in the market that both Universal and Disney will have to find a way to fill.

As to DVC pricing, it will be interesting to see Disney's approach. They have a unique trick (compared to Universal) with DVC and the ability to both guarantee a stable (high) level of occupancy and a somewhat captive customer staying on-site. Will they sacrifice some up front-pricing to increase the pool of those DVC committed customers, or will they hold out to try to get closer to top dollar for the up front points sale? The market was already feeling saturated and with all the DVC inventory coming online (a good decade before any starts to go offline), I expect they'll have to start incentivising purchases.

 

[maui22]

Here is a comparison of PVB deeds for the first 7 county dates of each of month this year. These are impacted by delayed closings, but if each month has similar number of delayed closings they should be close.

• January 1-7 122 deeds, 19,406 points
• February 1-7 119 deeds, 19,964 points
• March 1-7 137 deeds, 22,248 points
• April 1-7 94 deeds, 16,060 points (As I write this, April 4th was the last proofed county deed data I went through. It's possible the county found they entered some deeds incorrectly and didn't put Disney in the name. Rare, but it does happen). Of these 37 deeds and 5,995 points were on April 7 county data.

Without a year over year comparison, larger sample size, holiday calendar comparison (spring break weeks change every year), etc. Take the data with a grain of salt.

None of this data reflects any contracts that would have been written since the majority of tariffs were announced April 2, 2025. That data will take anywhere from a few days to weeks to start seeing in publicly available county deeds.

 

[Brian Noble]

In 2024, March and April were both a little lower than Jan/Feb across all WDW resorts per DVC News.

In round numbers: Jan 110K, Feb 111K, Mar 98K, Apr 99K.

So maybe the 2025 outlier is March more than April.

 

[byurick]

Semi related: anyone else get a Disney survey email asking questions about a recent contract you sold? I got one today (sold a small BRV contract a few weeks ago). Asked about how it went, which broker I used and general questions about why and how I felt about my financial future (discretionary spending).

 

[atthebeachclub]

Semi related: anyone else get a Disney survey email asking questions about a recent contract you sold? I got one today (sold a small BRV contract a few weeks ago). Asked about how it went, which broker I used and general questions about why and how I felt about my financial future (discretionary spending).

Yep. Just got this too! Some interesting questions. They are more interested in your feeling about DVC and if you broke even, lost, of made money than I anticipated.

 

[Blerghityblergh]

I have been thinking this too. Am I crazy for spending this much when there's so much unpredictability going on right now? But then my mind is happy cuz if other people are scared then direct prices may go down

Yes to all these posts. I finally found the cure for addonitis and it turns out it’s massive layoffs in sectors adjacent to my own……talk about the treatment is worse than the disease!!!!

 

[Girlstar30]

Yes to all these posts. I finally found the cure for addonitis and it turns out it’s massive layoffs in sectors adjacent to my own……talk about the treatment is worse than the disease!!!!

Haha! Being happy if the whole world is going to sh*t so we can buy more dvc i think qualifies for us being a little nuts