SDFP: CHANGES COMING!! Beware the 7th of June?!

[linskypens]

So last week we used 6 cards to make SDFP
none of them tied to a MDE
MDE didnt exist for four of them, they are left over from the last year of RF chipped key to the world cards from 2013, when doors on resort rooms went RF vs key card swipes and before magic bands. And the other two are just single day typhoon lagoon tickets
what happens to those now?
Anyone?
And are you saying that if my wife and I have Pre booked FP for mine train (ugh) and she doesn't want to ride it, I cant just grab her band anymore and get on it? Even honest people have the moments when the spouse doesn't want to ride something.
Nice job on the thread today, i appreciate the insights.

 

[Planogirl]

I believe I need to rephrase:

Questioning and arguing this thread's existence is directly questioning DIS Administrators' decisions. This will result in Warnings and post removal.

Thank you!

Thanks for explaining. It can be confusing as to what is allowed and not allowed at times so more information is very welcome.

 

[SgtTibbs]

No, they scan your bands getting on the bus.

How do you know that scan does anything other than check you have a valid express bus ticket?

 

[PolyRob]

How do you know that scan does anything other than check you have a valid express bus ticket?

I have not used the express transportation, but taken a VIP tour. It is scanned in the same fashion and you skip the traditional tapstile. Disney wants to know what guest is in what park at what time.

 

[Gillbob316]

Re: Express Transportation

Keep in mind also, that in addition to scanning your band whenever you get ON an express bus... you still have to be admitted to at least one park before you can ever get to an express bus to begin with.

The express busses take you park to park without need for re-entry or security checks... but you still have to enter one park in the first place (and use one day's admission in the process).

 

[Gentry2004]

So last week we used 6 cards to make SDFP
none of them tied to a MDE
MDE didnt exist for four of them, they are left over from the last year of RF chipped key to the world cards from 2013, when doors on resort rooms went RF vs key card swipes and before magic bands. And the other two are just single day typhoon lagoon tickets
what happens to those now?
Anyone?
And are you saying that if my wife and I have Pre booked FP for mine train (ugh) and she doesn't want to ride it, I cant just grab her band anymore and get on it? Even honest people have the moments when the spouse doesn't want to ride something.
Nice job on the thread today, i appreciate the insights.

As long as your wife's band was used THAT DAY to enter the park, I don't think there would be any issue. At least that's my understanding. They want the FP+ linked to a ticket used to enter a park that same day.

 

[ArwenMarie]

On the motivation as to why they are fixing this now...
While it's fun to think about why, it may not be anything dramatic. It may have always been on the list and they are just getting to it now

 

[keishashadow]

Or they are just "keeping score" and building a case so that when the guest comes to GS (after how ever many attempts have been documented) with a locked MDE there will be no doubt what they were doing. This would also prevent locking an unsuspecting guest's MDE who just somehow made a mistake.

Possible, but I hope unlikely. That would be so adversarial of Disney. On the other hand, you're right - they are keeping score, reportedly.

Akin to how repeat whiners have a permanent record @ WDW.

That's what I'm wondering until we get like... a good couple weeks (months) worth of trial and error data.

It's all well and good if things still work today, but for all we know they haven't even rolled over to the new system yet. Maybe they just put it off for a while. Maybe they're doing it this afternoon. Who knows. I'll be much more confident on my next trip if everything still works as normal 3 months from now, haha.

I dunno. Atm I have 3 ticketed accounts (Me + 2 Family Members) and more unticketed accounts than I typically know what to do with in a day. Usually just have a ziplock full of magicbands in my pocket and juggle them as-needed. Sounds like planning a day for several people might be trouble in the future, but I also take a lot of solo trips, and hopefully those should still be relatively easy to manage.

Hopefully something works out, long term.

Why did this have to happen now? My trip is a month away and I was excited to see how this would work for me.

Let me get in on this 1st world whine. Lol. Just need to know what the enforced rules are now before we greet 4th of July.

Just speculation, but I suppose that it may be similar to the GAC abuse by "black-market private tour guides" that caused the change from GAC to DAS back in 2013 (or was it 2014?).

http://www.chipandco.com/rich-nyc-moms-hire-handicapped-tour-guides-cut-lines-disney-world-129000/

If a group of "tour guides" was abusing the FP+ system and making money off of it, I can see Disney moving to shut it down. Disney has official tour guides that cost big money for similar advantages. These rogue tour guides cut into that revenue.

Never heard of until i read multiple threads here, but both WDW & U have banned/unbanned/banned a blogger named adam the wo presumably for trespassing into backstage areas. U caught him back in park when Jimmy Fallon was promoting the new attraction & off he went (again).

My point is, if they know who these pseudo tour guides/individuals are either via past association as employees/repeated usages of @SDFP, why aren't they escorted out of the park too once the WDW terms of service are updated vs shutting it down completely?

Am i missing something? they could continue operations in slightly less timely fashion using the transfer method

 

[brockash]

Just speculation, but I suppose that it may be similar to the GAC abuse by "black-market private tour guides" that caused the change from GAC to DAS back in 2013 (or was it 2014?).

http://www.chipandco.com/rich-nyc-moms-hire-handicapped-tour-guides-cut-lines-disney-world-129000/

If a group of "tour guides" was abusing the FP+ system and making money off of it, I can see Disney moving to shut it down. Disney has official tour guides that cost big money for similar advantages. These rogue tour guides cut into that revenue.

Huh, wow, yeah I guess that would be a way. Just not something that ever dawned on me I guess. I wonder if there's really a lot of ppl. who do that, not to mention the fact that individuals can "abuse" the system on their own, no need to pay a 3rd party, but I guess I could see ppl. advertising like they need to etc.

 

[marciemi]

Quick reply from the monsoons of Epcot. I've tested everything I can think of and it all seems to be as normal. Either this was a big letdown or they delayed the updates.

I didn't test a second Tier 1 since I wasn't able to get one at short notice. I've also been able to do everything on the app and use SDFP normally and CPFP with both bands with and without ticket media.

About the only glitch I've encountered was the CM insisting at the toll plaza that my AP was no longer valid for parking since I checked out of my resort yesterday. She was quite snippy about it. I showed her my AP card with an expiration a year from now and she finally waved me through but spent time at GS making sure everything was okay with my account/band (note, this was before I'd made a single FP of any type so that had nothing to do with it). Spoiler - everything was fine and the CM was clueless.

Going to ride Soarin' in 10 min with a SDFP I got on a band not attached to my MDE. I already rode The Land with this band and made another FP at a kiosk to make sure it hadn't locked. I don't anticipate a problem at the ride but will let you all know if I have one.

Express transpo hasn't been running because of the rain so I wasn't going to head to MK - also because I don't think there's anything else for me to check.

Guess we'll be watching here daily!

 

[brockash]

On the motivation as to why they are fixing this now...
While it's fun to think about why, it may not be anything dramatic. It may have always been on the list and they are just getting to it now

That was always more of what I thought. The old fastpass system wouldn't let you use a ticket that wasn't used to enter the park, so I was surprised when they didn't have the same type of technology in place when they rolled the new system out, but who knows.

 

[BRDisney]

How long does a FP+ stays in an MDE account after the ticket is reassigned to another account and it became ticketless?

 

[anomamatt]

Just got an MDE iOS update. Will be interesting to see if new TOS accompany.. or if "change party" is still there.

 

[ckelly14]

Care to enlighten?

Decreased revenue from their own tour guides, as well as "pay to play" extra FP+'s that I believe will be coming soon.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Disney wants to know what guest is in what park at what time.

Is that definite? Or does it just check for validity? AFAIK they report unique entries for admission counts so going to a second park doesn't actually "count". Now they'd likely want to know for capacity purposes although considering capacity is not an issue 99% of the year maybe they just skip doing anything more than verifying you have a hopper.

 

[PolyRob]

Is that definite? Or does it just check for validity? AFAIK they report unique entries for admission counts so going to a second park doesn't actually "count". Now they'd likely want to know for capacity purposes although considering capacity is not an issue 99% of the year maybe they just skip doing anything more than verifying you have a hopper.

Hmm I was definitely scanned every time I hopped. Either multiple CMs came out of a van backstage, or we were brought to a side entrance, or the tour guide took our bands while we were at a show or something and then returned them to us when we let out. This was in early May so I am not sure if capacity would have been an issue.

 

[ScrapYap]

I think that closing this loophole will actually hurt Disneys revenue. How many purchased tickets out there would have remained unused, just sitting there attached to fake people. An unused ticket is money in the bank for Disney. Now those tickets will be transfered and used instead of people buying new tickets. Plus, the people that can afford to have 4 or 5 6 day tickets sitting in fake accounts plus their regular tickets are the exact people that Disney wants in their parks. Lots of disposable income for onsite hotels, meal plans, and Disney Springs.

In addition to people buying extra tickets, they were buying extra sets of MagicBands for their whole family.

It's too bad Disney couldn't have just shut down the CMs who were booking four sets of FP for the use of one or two people. And the unofficial tour guides who were making money off the loophole.

The rest of us are, as you say, exactly who Disney wants to see as often as possible. We're the devotees who spend a large portion of our disposable income at Disney, visiting multiple times a year. We're their best friends. But with your friend locking down your MDE, who needs enemies?

 

[hayesdvc]

New release (4.6.3) of MDE just pushed out. Ironic it's today............................. just saying

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Hmm I was definitely scanned every time I hopped. Either multiple CMs came out of a van backstage, or we were brought to a side entrance, or the tour guide took our bands while we were at a show or something and then returned them to us when we let out. This was in early May so I am not sure if capacity would have been an issue.

They would need to scan to verify you had a hopper but since you were in a park already were they making it an admission? How would they do it if they are sending people off to different parks? (Not saying it couldn't be done but then this thread is in part based on the fact they they had no check anymore for valid admission to use a FP). Or was the hop part already verified when you purchased the express transportation and were they just scanning that you had purchased the transporation? Sooooo many possibilities!

 

[PolyRob]

New release (4.6.3) of MDE just pushed out. Ironic it's today............................. just saying

"Improved overall app performance" I wonder what that means? I have turned off my auto updates in iOS