VDH Opening

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

Adorable friend Jennifer F.-M. is there now and took some street side pics. Thanks Jenn!
Of course much of this view will be blocked intentionally by the Garden studios now being constructed.

 

[nlenguyen]

I just got a direct contract and in the booklet they send you for documents, they have now added the Disneyland Hotel Villas, in there it says that the studios will sleep 5 but I have been hearing just 4.
edit: it says information known as of June 27, 2022. Maybe they did plan on doing 5 people at one time in the development process

 

[ehh]

I just got a direct contract and in the booklet they send you for documents, they have now added the Disneyland Hotel Villas, in there it says that the studios will sleep 5 but I have been hearing just 4.
edit: it says information known as of June 27, 2022. Maybe they did plan on doing 5 people at one time in the development process

Ooo, intrigue!

The Disneyland website says 4 for cash bookings, and there's no apparent under-TV bed or anything like that:


And the original plans have no affordance for a sleeper for a 5th person either:

EDIT: I wonder if they were rethinking it at one point but stuck with the original plan.

 

[nlenguyen]

I am also reading something about the point charts. It reads "each Club member will always be eligible to reserve at least one use day for the following home resort vacation points:
duo studio 16 standard, 17 preferred and 19 garden
deluxe studio 21 standard 24 preferred 29 garden
1 bedroom 42
2 bedroom 62
Grand Villa 135
If the points are right for probably the lowest season, these rooms are going to be a lot more than the VGC point charts

 

[nlenguyen]

You would need almost 300 points for just one week (assuming lowest season) for just a 1 bedroom and over 400 points for the 2 bedroom. It actually fits just in between the Riveria Standard and Preferred point charts

 

[AstroBlasters]

I am also reading something about the point charts. It reads "each Club member will always be eligible to reserve at least one use day for the following home resort vacation points:
duo studio 16 standard, 17 preferred and 19 garden
deluxe studio 21 standard 24 preferred 29 garden
1 bedroom 42
2 bedroom 62
Grand Villa 135
If the points are right for probably the lowest season, these rooms are going to be a lot more than the VGC point charts

 

[nlenguyen]

Going further in the booklet, it has about the number of declared rooms
Riveria as of Dec 2022 was 199 and the Villas at Disneyland Hotel 61* subject to Fall 2023 opening.
I know all of these are tea leaves, but it will be interesting if only 61 rooms are to DVC points each day when it first opens. Seems like they can sell cash rooms to fill the rest

 

[ehh]

I am also reading something about the point charts. It reads "each Club member will always be eligible to reserve at least one use day for the following home resort vacation points:

I'm not sure I know what this is trying to say. Is there more context? Is the "will always be eligible to reserve" saying that availability is unlimited? Is it saying the maximum points? The minimum points?

duo studio 16 standard, 17 preferred and 19 garden
deluxe studio 21 standard 24 preferred 29 garden
1 bedroom 42
2 bedroom 62
Grand Villa 135
If the points are right for probably the lowest season, these rooms are going to be a lot more than the VGC point charts

If those are weekday points in the lowest season, that is a brutal points chart, way worse than VGC or RIV.

Riviera lowest weekday:
Tower: 10
SV Deluxe: 14
PV Deluxe: 17
SV 1BR: 29
PV 1BR: 36
SV 2BR: 38
PV 2BR: 47
GV 3BR: 103

So this seems unlikely. Hopefully?

Maybe lowest weekend points chart? Maybe median?
Here was my upper bound guess (from https://www.disboards.com/threads/v...ative-chart-based-on-cash-rack-rates.3913109/):

Here's VGC in the same formatting:

 

[nlenguyen]

I'm not sure I know what this is trying to say. Is there more context? Is the "will always be eligible to reserve" saying that availability is unlimited? Is it saying the maximum points? The minimum points?

I am not savy when it comes to the lingo, but from reading about other resorts, It looks like the average points. For example it says studios at OKW was 15 points, which is only during peak times.
Hopefully I will be wrong and they will have cheaper nights than that.

 

[ehh]

duo studio 16 standard, 17 preferred and 19 garden
deluxe studio 21 standard 24 preferred 29 garden
1 bedroom 42
2 bedroom 62
Grand Villa 135

Secondary analysis of these numbers.

1BR, 2BR, and GV are all Preferred View, so I'll use Deluxe Studio PV as a baseline.

Duo SV: .67x points
Duo PV: .71x
Duo Gar: .79x
Deluxe SV: .88x
Deluxe PV: 1x
Deluxe Gar: 1.21x
1BR PV: 1.75x
2BR PV: 2.58x
GV PV: 5.63x

Relative points in the Studio space is pretty reasonable! 10-15% jump between SV and PV, not nearly as bad as the 25% at RIV. There is a bigger jump from PV to Garden but there's only a handful of Garden Rooms and they have a balcony/patio. No 'crossover' rooms where the bigger room is fewer points, which is good.

Normalcy does not continue at the 1BR mark, though. This would be an uncommonly low 1BR to Deluxe Studio points ratio. Typical is 2x. Lowest I've seen for any season is 1.82x at VGC in low season, though I haven't looked at every season at every resort.

This would also be a slightly lower-than-normal 2BR to Deluxe Studio ratio. Typical is 2.65x - 2.8x.

Grand Villas are at the low-end of normal. Typical is 5.75x - 6x. Outliers in both directions (OKW low, CCV high).

 

[ehh]

I am not savy when it comes to the lingo, but from reading about other resorts, It looks like the average points. For example it says studios at OKW was 15 points, which is only during peak times.
Hopefully I will be wrong and they will have cheaper nights than that.

Aha! That's a good clue, thank you. Average OKW night is 13.4pts. Median is 15. If you have more examples I can do more comparisons to lock in with more certainty what the booklet is quoting.

	Median in my lower bound guess	Median in my upper bound guess	Booklet
SV Duo	14	17	16
PV Duo	17	19	17
Garden Duo	18	21	19
SV Deluxe	20	22	21
PV Deluxe	22	25	24
Garden Deluxe	25	28	29
PV 1BR	44	51	42
PV 2BR	60	68	62
Grand Villa	126	144	135

 

[nlenguyen]

Here are just some random numbers from the booklet not all the resorts
SSR (our 1st home resort) - studio 16 1-bedroom 32 2-bedroom 41 treehouse 42 3-bedroom 90
AKV (Which is the resort I purchased) - studio 15 1-bedroom 36 2-bedroom 45 3-bedroom 99
RIV (stand/pref)- TS-15 studio 20/24 1-bedroom 40/47 2-bedroom 54/65 3-bedroom 134

Edit: one thing I did notice from this is that AK, SSR and BLT don't have points split into their categories like the other resorts do which is interesting. Did they not have separate categories when they first sold these resorts? It is interesting that all three of these were sold around the same time so maybe they did not have to put this info into the booklet

 

[ehh]

Here are just some random numbers from the booklet not all the resorts
SSR (our 1st home resort) - studio 16 1-bedroom 32 2-bedroom 41 treehouse 42 3-bedroom 90
AKV (Which is the resort I purchased) - studio 15 1-bedroom 36 2-bedroom 45 3-bedroom 99
RIV (stand/pref)- TS-15 studio 20/24 1-bedroom 40/47 2-bedroom 54/65 3-bedroom 134

Edit: one thing I did notice from this is that AK, SSR and BLT don't have points split into their categories like the other resorts do which is interesting. Did they not have separate categories when they first sold these resorts? It is interesting that all three of these were sold around the same time so maybe they did not have to put this info into the booklet

You rock!

Okay, Booklet is looking good for median-ish 2023 points. Not exact but directionally I'm feeling pretty confident about my points charts estimates based on the cash rates.

• SSR
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 16
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 32
  • 2BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 41
  • Treehouse median: 48
    • Booklet: 42 (hmmmm, pretty big difference)
  • GV median: 88
    • Booklet: 90
• AKV
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 36
  • 2BR median: 43
    • Booklet: 45
  • GV median: 94
    • Booklet: 99
• RIV
  • Tower median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • SV Deluxe median: 19
    • Booklet: 20
  • PV Deluxe median: 25
    • Booklet: 24
  • SV 1BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 40
  • PV 1BR median: 52
    • Booklet: 47 (off by more than I'd like)
  • SV 2BR median: 53
    • Booklet: 54
  • PV 2BR median: 66
    • Booklet: 65
  • GV median: 132
    • Booklet: 134

 

[nlenguyen]

You rock!

Okay, looking good for median-ish.

• SSR
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 16
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 32
  • 2BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 41
  • Treehouse median: 48
    • Booklet: 42 (hmmmm, pretty big difference)
  • GV median: 88
    • Booklet: 90
• AKV
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 36
  • 2BR median: 43
    • Booklet: 45
  • GV median: 94
    • Booklet: 99
• RIV
  • Tower median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • SV Deluxe median: 19
    • Booklet: 20
  • PV Deluxe median: 25
    • Booklet: 24
  • SV 1BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 40
  • PV 1BR median: 52
    • Booklet: 47 (off by more than I'd like)
  • SV 2BR median: 53
    • Booklet: 54
  • PV 2BR median: 66
    • Booklet: 65
  • GV median: 132
    • Booklet: 134

Thank you for this analysis. Glad that those points are possibly the median points. Maybe I will actually get to stay with the points I have for a few days a year at VDH plus my time in WDW

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

You rock!

Okay, Booklet is looking good for median-ish 2023 points. Not exact but directionally I'm feeling pretty confident about my points charts estimates based on the cash rates.

• SSR
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 16
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 32
  • 2BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 41
  • Treehouse median: 48
    • Booklet: 42 (hmmmm, pretty big difference)
  • GV median: 88
    • Booklet: 90
• AKV
  • Studio median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • 1BR median: 33
    • Booklet: 36
  • 2BR median: 43
    • Booklet: 45
  • GV median: 94
    • Booklet: 99
• RIV
  • Tower median: 16
    • Booklet: 15
  • SV Deluxe median: 19
    • Booklet: 20
  • PV Deluxe median: 25
    • Booklet: 24
  • SV 1BR median: 41
    • Booklet: 40
  • PV 1BR median: 52
    • Booklet: 47 (off by more than I'd like)
  • SV 2BR median: 53
    • Booklet: 54
  • PV 2BR median: 66
    • Booklet: 65
  • GV median: 132
    • Booklet: 134

Treehouses had a bunch of points moved to them from the rest of the resort circa 2014. Perhaps this is based on the points as they originally stood.

 

[Epcot Forever Forever]

Here are just some random numbers from the booklet not all the resorts
SSR (our 1st home resort) - studio 16 1-bedroom 32 2-bedroom 41 treehouse 42 3-bedroom 90
AKV (Which is the resort I purchased) - studio 15 1-bedroom 36 2-bedroom 45 3-bedroom 99
RIV (stand/pref)- TS-15 studio 20/24 1-bedroom 40/47 2-bedroom 54/65 3-bedroom 134

Edit: one thing I did notice from this is that AK, SSR and BLT don't have points split into their categories like the other resorts do which is interesting. Did they not have separate categories when they first sold these resorts? It is interesting that all three of these were sold around the same time so maybe they did not have to put this info into the booklet

Can you upload some photos of what you got?

 

[nlenguyen]

I am not sure how these will come out. Hopefully this makes sense

 

[ehh]

Clearly some fuzziness from DVC's perspective: VGF Resort Studio SV is listed at 21pts while VGF Deluxe Studio SV is listed at 22pts while having an identical points chart.

Anyway, more (very) strong correlation between this booklet and median:

• VGF
  • Resort Studios SV median: 21
    • Booklet: 21
  • Deluxe SV median: 21
    • Booklet: 22
  • LV Studios median: 26
    • Booklet: 26
  • TPV Studios median: 32
    • Booklet: 32
  • SV 1BR median: 45
    • Booklet: 45
  • LV 1BR median: 54
    • Booklet: 53
  • SV 2BR median: 61
    • Booklet: 61
  • LV 2BR median: 74
    • Booklet: 72
  • GV median: 146
    • Booklet: 147
• Poly
  • SV Studio median: 22
    • Booklet: 22
  • LV Studio median: 26
    • Booklet: 26
  • Bungalow median: 149
    • Booklet: 147
• CCV
  • Studio median: 17
    • Booklet: 18
  • 1BR median: 36
    • Booklet: 36
  • 2BR median: 46
    • Booklet: 46
  • Cabin median: 115
    • Booklet: 115
  • GV median: 122
    • Booklet: 122

 

[ehh]

Looks like Grand Cali figures might throw some cold water on all this, though. Ugh.

1) The Booklet is far from actual medians at VGC
2) The Booklet has identical baselines for VGC Studio/1BR/2BR as VDH:

VGC

• Studio median: 25
  • Booklet: 21
  • Booklet, VDH SV Studio: 21
• 1BR median: 50
  • Booklet: 42
  • Booklet, VDH 1BR: 42
• 2BR median: 68
  • Booklet: 62
  • Booklet, VDH 2BR: 62
• GV median: 143
  • Booklet: 139
  • Booklet, VDH GV: 135

 

[ehh]

Okay, the title of the page is "Maximum Reallocation Chart" and the header text is "With respect to each DVC Resort, each Club Member will always be eligible to reserve at least one (1) Use Day in the different Vacation Home types at his or her Home Resort, subject to availability, for the following number of Home Resort Vacation Points:"

I am not a lawyer or particularly versed in legalese, but this says, to me, that they will never put the minimum daily points above these numbers, regardless of future reallocations.

So it's not intended to be a median, or any manner of average/midpoint, but it just so happens that it correlates very strongly with median at newer resorts. It seems likely that DVC was aware of the medians (or a median-like figures) when creating each row in this table for recent resorts. I think that's good news for the VDH points charts, though it probably means that it comes close to the VGC points chart.