Tiered Benefits DVC Poll

[tx911]

For the purposes of this poll, assume the only tiered benefits are priority access to reservations (e.g. slightly longer booking window) and priority access to moonlight magic events.

This would in effect be similar to what DCL already does with its tiers.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I see I'm in the short side of this poll, at least so far. I'm actually very surprised this hasn't already been done and a long time ago at that. It's genius from a marketing perspective and it costs them virtually nothing once implemented. "If I could just make that next tier, then I could have xyz." Seems like a no-brainer to me. They side-saddled it with the non-direct v. direct barriers and pretended no one was actually riding. It's actually pretty foolish they haven't done this already if you look at it through clear glasses.

 

[UrsulaWantsYourSoul]

Other timeshares have a point driven tier system as well. Worldmark for example. Not for booking priority but for a few perks like how many cleaning services, guest passes and wi-fi devices (all things thankfully we aren't charged separately for with DVC).

 

[cruisehopeful]

I see I'm in the short side of this poll, at least so far. I'm actually very surprised this hasn't already been done and a long time ago at that. It's genius from a marketing perspective and it costs them virtually nothing once implemented. "If I could just make that next tier, then I could have xyz." Seems like a no-brainer to me. They side-saddled it with the non-direct v. direct barriers and pretended no one was actually riding. It's actually pretty foolish they have done this already if you look at it through clear glasses.

Don't give them any ideas.

 

[Genie+]

The reason I don’t think DVC would do a system like this is because it would bring more visibility to the commercial renting issues. I could see the point tier system conversation bringing that up every time. A system that was built and sold around ‘personal use’ now has a program that encourages and rewards commercial use, even though it is expressly prohibited in the contract? Probably not worth it to them to give more reasons for owners to question that sort of stuff.

 

[tx911]

I wouldn't want it to become a situation where you would need tons of points to be able to get the room you want or get into MM. I think it would start to hurt direct sales eventually.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Keep It Simple

 

[Sandisw]

I didn't vote because some of your priority ideas may run counter to the way the contract is written. You can't give priority access to home resort owners....all must be given the same rules for booking....FL law supports that and why resale vs. direct owners have to have the same rules when it comes to home resort.

For trading in BVTC? I don't know if that can happen either since its based on the DVC Resort agreement and how it enters BVTC.

They can implement a fee for trades and maybe have those with priority benefits have the fee covered via DVD (like they are doing now with the $95 trade fee).

Outside of that, when you are talking about benefits, I am indifferent to how they run them.....so, give them to some, tier them, or give to all....whatever it is, I'll work with it!

 

[Girlstar30]

This would be a reason for someone to justify not buying direct, it's already hard to justify the high cost with the benefits they offer now, but if they make the benefits not as good for the average buyer, I don't think that benefits Disney to appeal more to a smaller majority. For me it would come across as greedy of them and a cash grab.

I can only speak for myself, but there werent enough benefits for me to think Direct was worth it to start off with and not seek resale.

If i thought i had even less chances to get into events than now, because its hard to get into Moonlight magic to begin with, i would be even less inclined to purchase direct. Majority of people that buy are probably not DVC whales, i think they want to appeal to everyday families.

 

[TCRAIG]

I didn't vote because some of your priority ideas may run counter to the way the contract is written. You can't give priority access to home resort owners....all must be given the same rules for booking....FL law supports that and why resale vs. direct owners have to have the same rules when it comes to home resort.

For trading in BVTC? I don't know if that can happen either. I think they could implement a fee, and then have those with priority benefits have the fee covered via DVD (like they are doing now with the $95 trade fee).

Outside of that, when you are talking about benefits, I am indifferent to how they run them.....so, give them to some, tier them, or give to all....whatever it is, I'll work with it!

With Fl timeshare laws - could DVC offer something like enhanced OTU points usage based on tiers? Maybe when you can use them tiered - top tier at 8 months - rest at 7? I think it actually wouldn’t matter a whole bunch since large owners wouldn’t (at least theoretically) need them as often but it would give at least the illusion of booking benefits…just wondering.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

The reason I don’t think DVC would do a system like this is because it would bring more visibility to the commercial renting issues. I could see the point tier system conversation bringing that up every time. A system that was built and sold around ‘personal use’ now has a program that encourages and rewards commercial use, even though it is expressly prohibited in the contract? Probably not worth it to them to give more reasons for owners to question that sort of stuff.

Counterpoint. And yet it could expose the commercial renters. WWYD? Expose the extra perks you had and risk exposure from behind the curtain, or stay hidden and play it safe(r)? I could just see it now. Renters coming back saying, "My room was cleaned and the beds made EVERY day of my visit. DVC is AMAZING!"

 

[WilsonFlyer]

I didn't vote because some of your priority ideas may run counter to the way the contract is written. You can't give priority access to home resort owners....all must be given the same rules for booking....FL law supports that and why resale vs. direct owners have to have the same rules when it comes to home resort.

For trading in BVTC? I don't know if that can happen either since its based on the DVC Resort agreement and how it enters BVTC.

They can implement a fee for trades and maybe have those with priority benefits have the fee covered via DVD (like they are doing now with the $95 trade fee).

Outside of that, when you are talking about benefits, I am indifferent to how they run them.....so, give them to some, tier them, or give to all....whatever it is, I'll work with it!

It isn't fair to neglect the hundreds of things they could do that aren't even a part of anything they are doing now.

 

[WilsonFlyer]

This would be a reason for someone to justify not buying direct, it's already hard to justify the high cost with the benefits they offer now, but if they make the benefits not as good for the average buyer, I don't think that benefits Disney.

I can only speak for myself, but there werent enough benefits for me to think Direct was worth it to start off with and not seek resale.

If i thought i had even less chances to get into events than now, because its hard to get into Moonlight magic to begin with, i would be even less inclined to purchase direct. Majority of people that buy are probably not DVC whales, i think they want to appeal to everyday families.

Even if they did this, it would be foolish to mess with things already in place. I agree. See the post I made to Sandi just above.

 

[xdan0920]

This is very funny to me. Especially in light of the many posts in a different forum saying things along the lines of 1800pts for rent. Experienced owner. Etc. etc….

Do we really want those owners having an advantage over the everyday owners?

 

[tx911]

I didn't vote because some of your priority ideas may run counter to the way the contract is written. You can't give priority access to home resort owners....all must be given the same rules for booking....FL law supports that and why resale vs. direct owners have to have the same rules when it comes to home resort.

For trading in BVTC? I don't know if that can happen either since its based on the DVC Resort agreement and how it enters BVTC.

They can implement a fee for trades and maybe have those with priority benefits have the fee covered via DVD (like they are doing now with the $95 trade fee).

Outside of that, when you are talking about benefits, I am indifferent to how they run them.....so, give them to some, tier them, or give to all....whatever it is, I'll work with it!

Is that true even for non-home resorts?
E.g., could they give some owners 8-month booking at non-home resorts instead of 7?

 

[tx911]

This would be a reason for someone to justify not buying direct, it's already hard to justify the high cost with the benefits they offer now, but if they make the benefits not as good for the average buyer, I don't think that benefits Disney to appeal more to a smaller majority. For me it would come across as greedy of them and a cash grab.

I can only speak for myself, but there werent enough benefits for me to think Direct was worth it to start off with and not seek resale.

If i thought i had even less chances to get into events than now, because its hard to get into Moonlight magic to begin with, i would be even less inclined to purchase direct. Majority of people that buy are probably not DVC whales, i think they want to appeal to everyday families.

I'm just the opposite. I have a hard time justifying resale.
I just really like being able to use all my points at all resorts.

 

[Girlstar30]

I'm just the opposite. I have a hard time justifying resale.
I just really like being able to use all my points at all resorts.

A lot of people will justify 50% off resale. But I also know a lot of people want access to all resorts too.

I've gone back and forth so many times there just isn't enough resorts that im interested in that I'm blocked out of at the moment that wouldn't make me think I should just sell my points and rent from someone else when I want to stay there every couple of years. I know that will probably change in the future, but for now resale still sounds good with all the resort choices I have.

 

[Lumpy1106]

Resale only owner here, only 160 points, I voted no.
The value of the points that are bought directly are DEPENDENT on a robust resale market. If Disney wants to provide extra benefits to direct buyers, OK, but there is nothing more to add or they would have done it already. Math-wise, buying direct already does not make sense. Buying the bare minimum to get the direct perks, then buying any additional points through resale not only is the smart thing to do, but that maximizes the value of what you own. Without the resale market, DVC is like any other timeshare ,and anyone who says those are a scam, in many cases, is right. Not so with DVC, because you can resell it and get good value for it.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Tough one. I dont want to give commercial renters a leg up on anything so it's hard for me to vote yes. But I am in favor of adding priority MM registration to MMB or something along those lines

 

[zavandor]

There is an option missing. I think people with fewer points should have priority over people with more points. If you have more points, if you cannot book a cheaper category you can always fallback to 1BR or more expensive views.

Joking (almost).