PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

[JackosinDIS]

Just received an email from my guide that they have declared 1 duo studio standard view and 3 deluxe studio standard view for favorite weeks. Not sure if this is old news (he is CA based) but thought it was interesting given the report yesterday that FW wasn't available for certain weeks. Perhaps some weeks truly are already sold out given the limited number of rooms available as of now.

Interesting… glad I got my standard view studio fixed week and didn’t wait too long!

 

[JackosinDIS]

Assuming everyone got their docusign by now for points purchased yesterday? I had docs within an hour of conversation with my guide yesterday.

Got mine this afternoon… there’s a hefty amount of paperwork for these international purchases! Needs amending though so have to wait for another set to come.
Points are showing on my dashboard though

 

[supercarrie]

Interesting… glad I got my standard view studio fixed week and didn’t wait too long!

Definitely! They will likely declare more as they declare more overall inventory, but not surprising that these will be very popular.

 

[NY Pirate Princess]

Just got off the phone with a substitute guide. Mine is based in Hawaii and can't sell me PIVOT right now. I asked a few questions but still not ready to buy.

She told me she can only honor the $10 off 150 points for one week and then the price will return to $225 per point, "already a discount from $250 previously".

 

[PoppyJ]

Has anyone recieved confirmation about how bookings will become available on October 15?

My guide said that BPK became available to book online the day it opened, so he expected the tower to be available to book online on October 15. That contradicts what I've read here (that we week need to call to book). Do you think that we will be able to book the tower online on October 15, but if our dates are unavailable and we want to ask for the developer inventory, then we will need to call in?

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

Just got off the phone with a substitute guide. Mine is based in Hawaii and can't sell me PIVOT right now. I asked a few questions but still not ready to buy.

She told me she can only honor the $10 off 150 points for one week and then the price will return to $225 per point, "already a discount from $250 previously".

I am shocked by this. It is absurd that the newly released incentives for this cycle will change within 7 days? First reaction is that guide is lying and desperate for a high pressure sale... but those phone calls are all recorded... why would the guide risk an infraction for lying to customers? If they're not lying.... can this possibly be true?

 

[NY Pirate Princess]

I am shocked by this. It is absurd that the newly released incentives for this cycle will change within 7 days? First reaction is that guide is lying and desperate for a high pressure sale... but those phone calls are all recorded... why would the guide risk an infraction for lying to customers? If they're not lying.... can this possibly be true?

I specifically asked if the $10 off per point at 150 points would be valid until October 29 or longer or if she didn't know. She paused and said she could offer me the $10 for a week and then it would go back to $225.

This is not my regular guide.

 

[Phatscott25]

I am shocked by this. It is absurd that the newly released incentives for this cycle will change within 7 days? First reaction is that guide is lying and desperate for a high pressure sale... but those phone calls are all recorded... why would the guide risk an infraction for lying to customers? If they're not lying.... can this possibly be true?

If I had to guess I'd say the guide was misinformed and not intentionally lying.

 

[DonkeyHoTay]

She paused and said she could offer me the $10 for a week and then it would go back to $225.

If I had to guess I'd say the guide was misinformed and not intentionally lying.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Another thought…they can only sell up to 35% of any given use day in a unit for FW. Given that there are so few units declared right now, holding off the booking allows them to sell them based on the eventual declarations within the next year.

Checked my purchase agreement and it definitely says that the first guaranteed week reservation will be made for September 2025 (although does caveat that with may not be possible if purchased less than 11 months in advance… which won’t apply to me)

 

[hockeydad21]

VGF2 had a better deal last summer than when it first went on sale and VDH had a better deal this summer than when it first went on sale. I think future Poly pricing will depend on the pace of sales and how quickly they build Reflections.

I tend to agree that we will see better pricing in the future. It may not be in 12 months, but we will see it sometime before it sells out. I think this pricing is really aggressive given the points chart, and I think DVC will need to be creative with their pricing if they want this sold out prior to reflections being complete. To me it screams “we are trying to squeeze every penny out of people who will pay almost anything to own direct at the new tower.” Now the question becomes how many people opted out of buying because of the high prices? I’m thinking 50% pulled back who had real intentions of buying.

And even if in a few years the price creeps up to $250 per point before incentives, and then incentives bring it down to $210 per point, that’s still likely better for most people as that’s 2-3 more years to save money with interest and/or investments with a significantly higher return, effectively making the contract more affordable despite the price per point being equal.

 

[CarolynFH]

Poly has always been an outlier in that zero of the common areas belong to the condo association. Not even a bench.

I can’t think of another resort written up that way. I imagine there must be a reason for it but I can’t for the life of me figure out what it would be. But then continuing that with the new tower make the difference between Poly and the other resorts on common area ownership even starker.

In practice it’s probably a meaningless distinction. But it’s one of those weird quirks I find fascinating.

As Sandi pointed out, the GF pools don't belong to the VGF condo association. That got me to thinking - I don't believe the BW pools belong to the BWV condo association, since they're open to guests at BWI as well as BWV, and BCV is the same way. So maybe it's because those DVC resorts are co-located with regular Disney resorts, and BLT is sort of an outlier.

 

[tjkraz]

It’s also very important to remember that BPK was a flip, so a much lower price threshold to maintain a target profitability margin than a new build. Especially if it rents well while they are waiting to sell the points (e.g. AUL).

Outside of a massive economic disruption…. I wouldn’t expect a fire sale anytime in the next few years and by then the base price will be $250pp+

Not only that, but BPK was 100% declared into the condo association before it even opened. Partially because they thought it would sell faster and partially because DVC wanted (needed) more room inventory to deal with the glut of banked points that built up during the worst of the pandemic.

With all of the VGF rooms in the association, Disney wasn't profiting off unsold points inventory.

That's normally not the case. Disney will be generating a profit for years to come off unsold DVC units at Island Tower, Disneyland Hotel, Cabins, Aulani, etc. There's less reason to offer sharp cuts in DVC selling prices when unsold inventory = rooms they're able to rent to cash guests for $800 per night.

 

[tjkraz]

I tend to agree that we will see better pricing in the future. It may not be in 12 months, but we will see it sometime before it sells out. I think this pricing is really aggressive given the points chart, and I think DVC will need to be creative with their pricing if they want this sold out prior to reflections being complete.

Disneyland Hotel is probably the best comparison. And in ~18 months of selling, I don't think pricing has gone backward. Not by any noteworthy amount.

To me it screams “we are trying to squeeze every penny out of people who will pay almost anything to own direct at the new tower.” Now the question becomes how many people opted out of buying because of the high prices? I’m thinking 50% pulled back who had real intentions of buying.

For people who are on a budget, DVC has 4 other active resorts to offer. We've seen this in the past when resorts like Bay Lake and Grand Floridian overlapped with Saratoga and Animal Kingdom.

And even if in a few years the price creeps up to $250 per point before incentives, and then incentives bring it down to $210 per point, that’s still likely better for most people as that’s 2-3 more years to save money with interest and/or investments with a significantly higher return, effectively making the contract more affordable despite the price per point being equal.

Except that you've also lost 3 years' use of the points.

 

[Ruttangel]

I specifically asked if the $10 off per point at 150 points would be valid until October 29 or longer or if she didn't know. She paused and said she could offer me the $10 for a week and then it would go back to $225.

This is not my regular guide.

It says Dec 11 on the official incentive chart

 

[winnieforme]

The people that picked up the last Poly resales this Spring before Disney started ROFRing look like mad geniuses now!

Does Disney usually ROFR on new resorts?

 

[hockeydad21]

Except that you've also lost 3 years' use of the points.

ehhhh…you’ve already lost 8 years on the contract. What’s another 1-3 years?

 

[Sandisw]

Has anyone recieved confirmation about how bookings will become available on October 15?

My guide said that BPK became available to book online the day it opened, so he expected the tower to be available to book online on October 15. That contradicts what I've read here (that we week need to call to book). Do you think that we will be able to book the tower online on October 15, but if our dates are unavailable and we want to ask for the developer inventory, then we will need to call in?

He is wrong. We had to call into book BPK until it opened for everyone.

 

[PoppyJ]

He is wrong. We had to call into book BPK until it opened for everyone.

That's what I thought...

 

[New Mouse]

If I had to guess I'd say the guide was misinformed and not intentionally lying.

Their goal is to sell product so they can make a comission.