My 2 cents on the young child/alligator tragedy at the Grand Floridian

Yes, I understand that, but shallow water with a steep drop off can happen in the space of one footstep.
Hindsight from the sheriff says it was shallow, but at night, how would one know where that steep drop off was?

I would say most parents would assume that the depth wouldn't go from a few inches to 14 feet in, say, a few toddler steps.

If it did, the father would have a much better chance of snagging him from the deep water than from the jaws of a 5' - 10' alligator. Two completely different levels of risk. One risk they might be expecting. The other they had absolutely no reason to.
 
Thank you to everyone who has participated in the thread. It has remained wonderfully civil and controlled. Rather than bashing other people's opinions, we've instead stated and explained our own. In the process, something remarkable happened. I learned a few things that have altered my view. Imagine that! Open and respectful discussion has led to education and understanding. What a concept.

This tragedy is not the parents' fault. They've suffered an unimaginable horror and don't need the judgement of strangers on the internet to make them feel even worse, if that's even possible.

Even though I personally would still view a "No Swimming" sign to mean "Stay Out Of The Water", enough of you have said you interpret it to mean something else (I'm still not sure what but that's irrelevant) that it's clear that there need to be more explicit warnings.

The fact that even once a Disney CM has been seen allowing or even encouraging kids to enter the water tells me there's a problem that needs fixing.

The fact that in a matter of hours, Disney was able to capture 6 or more gators from the lagoon tells me that there are far more gators on property than I imagined. Again, that warrants more explicit warnings. Sure most people know there are gators in Florida but they probably don't expect to encounter one on Disney property.

Again, thank you for having an open discussion on a really difficult topic.
 
Thank you to everyone who has participated in the thread. It has remained wonderfully civil and controlled. Rather than bashing other people's opinions, we've instead stated and explained our own. In the process, something remarkable happened. I learned a few things that have altered my view. Imagine that! Open and respectful discussion has led to education and understanding. What a concept.

This tragedy is not the parents' fault. They've suffered an unimaginable horror and don't need the judgement of strangers on the internet to make them feel even worse, if that's even possible.

Even though I personally would still view a "No Swimming" sign to mean "Stay Out Of The Water", enough of you have said you interpret it to mean something else (I'm still not sure what but that's irrelevant) that it's clear that there need to be more explicit warnings.

The fact that even once a Disney CM has been seen allowing or even encouraging kids to enter the water tells me there's a problem that needs fixing.

The fact that in a matter of hours, Disney was able to capture 6 or more gators from the lagoon tells me that there are far more gators on property than I imagined. Again, that warrants more explicit warnings. Sure most people know there are gators in Florida but they probably don't expect to encounter one on Disney property.

Again, thank you for having an open discussion on a really difficult topic.
I feel like most people are going to semantics in hindsight, which is fine, that's their perception. But I think that only because a gator attacked the child, people are saying they'd be ok with their child swimming there (swimming meaning paddling, splashing, entering the water at all), despite signs telling them otherwise, but now they think (probably subconsciously) that they'd need to be told specifically that a gator may be in the water.

Anyway... When Leigh played golf at Magnolia, the pro informed him that 3 or 4 gators (I can't remember which) were on course today and that they were on or around certain holes. He's a greenskeeper, so this wasn't exactly shocking to him, he encounters the countless very fatal snakes we have down here every summer on course, but he was a bit more wary because it was a gator.
 
I feel like most people are going to semantics in hindsight, which is fine, that's their perception. But I think that only because a gator attacked the child, people are saying they'd be ok with their child swimming there (swimming meaning paddling, splashing, entering the water at all), despite signs telling them otherwise, but now they think (probably subconsciously) that they'd need to be told specifically that a gator may be in the water.
That's what I thought initially. One post that really made me think, though, was Corey's. Here's a guy I know personally and respect who also happens to be a former WDW lifeguard and he said "No Swimming" is not the same to him as "Stay Out of the Water". If those signs are ambiguous to the lifeguards, it's easy to see how they could be misunderstood by the general public.
 
I feel like most people are going to semantics in hindsight, which is fine, that's their perception. But I think that only because a gator attacked the child, people are saying they'd be ok with their child swimming there (swimming meaning paddling, splashing, entering the water at all), despite signs telling them otherwise, but now they think (probably subconsciously) that they'd need to be told specifically that a gator may be in the water.

People automatically call the suitability of the signage into question when it is used as leverage to place blame on the parents.

If Disney thought to post signs warning of deep water (a known hazard), what would their motivation be to exclude a warning of the danger of alligators (when similar warnings are common at other resorts in the area and they risk was well known to Disney officials?).
 
Here is my 2 cents

Man made lakes or gators are not common where I live at all.
You can't keep them out of the lakes - fine. Don't build fake beaches on them!!! Don't make them appealing for kids! Yes, I would have thought a man made beach, by Disney on Disney Property with sand and hammocks and access to it is safe to use! What a stupid idea to build a fake beach that kids can play on if you can't keep the gators out of it!

Not one person that I asked around thought that there could be alligators in man made Disney beach. The signs should also be clearer!
 
well everyone is throwing more than 2 cents around ill chime in here too. This is a tragedy. These parents have to pack up head back to Nebraska without their little boy. I am a father and I cant imagine what that man is going through so I do send my thoughts to him on this upcoming fathers day weekend.

On to the signage. No Swimming means to me stay out of the water. Standing at the shoreline or sitting there is one thing but the report says this poor boy was in 1 foot of water he shouldn't have been there and in no way is that ok.

I don't think you need to be from FL to know that there are gators there. I mean the mascot of Florida U are the GATORS. I live in NJ and know that there are gators in FL EVERYWHERE. Its like saying I do not live by an ocean so I didn't know that there were sharks in there. cmon

I think from a legal standpoint there is no way Disney wins here, the only thing they have going for them is if it winds up in court which I do not think it will it will be in a Florida Court and lets face it Disney is the reason that central FL isn't just a huge swamp.

Its a horrible tragedy like I said I hope it never happens again. peace and Love to the family of this boy
 
I had read this justification on another thread, but I don't see the correlation.

Our hometown NBA team is the Toronto Raptors. I can guarantee you that you won't find a dinosaur roaming anywhere here in Canada.
And I guarantee there are no GIANTS in New Jersey/New York or Bears in Chicago or Grizzlies in Memphis it was just something that came to mind and I wasn't using it as justification
 
And I guarantee there are no GIANTS in New Jersey/New York or Bears in Chicago or Grizzlies in Memphis it was just something that came to mind and I wasn't using it as justification

I don't think you need to be from FL to know that there are gators there. I mean the mascot of Florida U are the GATORS.

:confused:

Apparently I misunderstood.
 
I continue to push this point in these various threads asking for signs about alligators. Where are the signs for the other deadly animals that are more likely to kill you than alligators? People are complaining that Disney knew of the gators and put up no signs. Disney knows it has bees, where are the signs for them?
 
I continue to push this point in these various threads asking for signs about alligators. Where are the signs for the other deadly animals that are more likely to kill you than alligators? People are complaining that Disney knew of the gators and put up no signs. Disney knows it has bees, where are the signs for them?

...and mosquitos...
 
And I guarantee there are no GIANTS in New Jersey/New York or Bears in Chicago or Grizzlies in Memphis it was just something that came to mind and I wasn't using it as justification

You will find Texans and Rockets in Houston...
 
In the Houston area, we have tons of alligators. We have many large parks where people and wildlife are not separated.image.jpegimage.jpeg

There are alligator warning signs everywhere.
 
Thank you to everyone who has participated in the thread. It has remained wonderfully civil and controlled. Rather than bashing other people's opinions, we've instead stated and explained our own. In the process, something remarkable happened. I learned a few things that have altered my view. Imagine that! Open and respectful discussion has led to education and understanding. What a concept.

um, there is no room for this sort of thing on the internet ;)

I prefer things to operate with a more over the top nature like a Facebook comment section I saw where about 10 posts in someone, in all sincerity, said that this was ridiculous and that all of Walt Disney World should be closed forever because of it
 
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The new sign going up I think this one might be effective :p
 













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