How to keep your dog from barking at night?

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I feel ridiculous asking this but our dog is driving us insane.:headache: She is only 9 months old but is a Great Pyrenees and huge. We live on a farm so she is outside almost all day running around, chasing rabbits, etc. I love having her since now the deer aren't eating my garden, but she has gotten in the habit of waking up anywhere from about 1-3 am and barking like crazy for about an hour. We make her come in about 9:30 or 10 for the night and she goes to sleep with no fuss on her bed downstairs. When she was smaller we kept her bed in our bedroom upstairs, but we have spiral stairs and she can't get up them and is now too big for either of us to carry(around 65 pounds already:scared1:). She did fine when she was in the room with us but now she has started this nonsense. I guess she hears something outside and that's when she cuts loose. DH and I take turns coming downstairs to threaten, cajole, yell at and beg for her to stop and it will work until we are all comfy in bed and then she'll start right back.:mad: It normally takes about 4 cycles of doing this before she'll go back to sleep for good. After that she's usually fine until 7:00ish.:confused3 Sooooo.....any advice?
 
Oh my! I don't know if you can't bring her up with you. You really have to give immediate feedback on the barking and by the time you come downstairs, it's probably too late. Is she too big for the stairs or can't she navigate them?

What about crate training her? Though there's nothing really stopping her from barking there either. I'm just kind of thinking while I'm typing. LOL

How about some type of white noise or leaving tv/radio on so she can't hear what's going on outside? I have a fan running in my bedroom, so the dogs don't hear typical night noises, but would hear if someone came into the house, or something unusual.
 
to get our puppy to stop whining at night, we set up a tiny tv near her door & she heard the voices & was comforted by that- she thought she heard us, or at least SOMEBODY, and she wouldn't bark or whine..

the previous dis-er mentioned a white noise machine-- that could work, too!
 
We have started running a fan in the room with her and that doesn't seem to be helping much.:confused3 As for the stairs, the poor dope just can't/won't do them.:lmao: She does fine on regular stairs but the spiral ones are narrow and she won't go near them. Good thing she's sweet and cute!
 
I feel ridiculous asking this but our dog is driving us insane.:headache: She is only 9 months old but is a Great Pyrenees and huge. We live on a farm so she is outside almost all day running around, chasing rabbits, etc. I love having her since now the deer aren't eating my garden, but she has gotten in the habit of waking up anywhere from about 1-3 am and barking like crazy for about an hour. We make her come in about 9:30 or 10 for the night and she goes to sleep with no fuss on her bed downstairs. When she was smaller we kept her bed in our bedroom upstairs, but we have spiral stairs and she can't get up them and is now too big for either of us to carry(around 65 pounds already:scared1:). She did fine when she was in the room with us but now she has started this nonsense. I guess she hears something outside and that's when she cuts loose. DH and I take turns coming downstairs to threaten, cajole, yell at and beg for her to stop and it will work until we are all comfy in bed and then she'll start right back.:mad: It normally takes about 4 cycles of doing this before she'll go back to sleep for good. After that she's usually fine until 7:00ish.:confused3 Sooooo.....any advice?

It is not a crazy question at all. A Pyr is part of the LGD group of dogs, ie Livestock Guardian Dog or also known as a flock guardian. It is the most mellow in temperament of the group, so most people don't realize the Pyr is a LGD. The LGD was bred to guard its flock and in the absence of a real flock, its family becomes its flock. Its sole purpose is to protect its flock from any danger. Since she is only a puppy, she is just coming into her guarding instincts.

9 months is just about when most LGDs start realizing they are LGDs and start guarding. Since she is a puppy, she is probably a bit over zealous and not sure what is a threat yet. Those blowing leaves are such a menace to her flock :lmao:

As a side note, it is also when many LGDs end up in rescue as the owners were not properly informed that their cute bundle of fur was going to grow up into a very large guard dog. But, the LGD is not a guard dog like a Rottie, Dobie or GSD. They have a very different way of guarding, so it is best to really get to know your breed.

So, this is definitely the proper time to train her about what is proper and what is unacceptable to guard against.

The biggest thing with LGDs is socialization, socialization and more socialization. The more the dog gets out in the world, the better decisions she can make on whether something is threatening or not and will lead to fewer warnings. Get her out to an obedience class, take her with you on car trips, etc. Get her out so that she has the experience to differentiate between what is a threat and what is not. This also makes for a much safer LGD.

Here is a great website and message board to start learning all about your flock guardian. They are unique dogs with challenges that make owning one more work than the typical family pet, but once you own one, you will never want to go back to a regular dog! (We have Komondors - also LGD's, but more intense than the Pyr.)

http://www.flockguard.org/

And some Pyr websites.
http://clubs.akc.org/gpca/
http://www.greatpyrenees.com/

Just remember, they are first and foremost guard dogs, so proper training, socialization and control at all times is very important to prevent accidents.

And always go to a trainer that understands the independent thinking of a LGD as they don't always train like a regular dog. They were bred to think independently when out with their flock, so a LGD's motivation to please its owner is much lower than your typical dog, consequently, training methods often have to be adapted to their style of thinking.


Welcome to the wonderful world of the Livestock Guardian Dog! :banana:


Edited to add:
From the Pyr Breed Club website, which explains it better than I can. Note the reference to night barking. This is innate in your dog and cannot always be trained out of them. But careful socialization and training can definitely minimize it.

Great Pyrenees are at heart guard dogs and members of the great family of livestock guardian dogs. As such, they share with them certain strong characteristics. Pyrs were bred to be left alone with the sheep up in the mountain valleys. They are a guard dog by instinct, not by training. Their basic personality is different from most breeds, since most breeds were bred to take commands from people, while Pyrs were bred to work on their own.

A Great Pyrenees is an intelligent, sometimes willful animal. They have minds of their own and are not easily obedience trained. Things that you consider important may not be the same things your Pyrenees considers important. Many are almost cat-like, in their independence.

If you require a dog who will be a great "off-leash" companion for your outdoor activities, if you want a dog who will follow your every command, or if you want a competition obedience dog, the Pyrenees is probably not for you.

Do you have room for a Pyr? They are large and must be confined in a well fenced area, or they will exercise their powerful instinct to establish and patrol a large territory. When out of the fence they must be kept on lead at all times.

Like all livestock guardian breeds, Great Pyrenees are barkers, especially at night. The amount of barking varies from individual to individual, but the instinct is there and in some cases can cause major problems. Most Great Pyrenees in urban or suburban settings must be kept indoors at night.

The Great Pyrenees is a guard dog and as such cannot be expected to welcome uninvited intrusions onto your property. They will accept anyone whom you invite into your home. They are not "attack" dogs, but can be very intimidating to the surprised visitor. It is an owner's obligation to maintain a Great Pyrenees so that his guarding instincts can be exercised in a responsible way.
 
Thanks for the very helpful info and links Goofy!:thumbsup2 Some of that stuff doesn't bode very well for us folks that like to sleep at night.:eek: Luckily, the kids seem to sleep right through the drama each night but DH and I sure don't.
 
Excellent post, Goofy, you beat me to it. Picture a "working" Pyr, walking around his flock at night, "protecting" them with its big bark. That is what a Pyr does! Having said that, if you can find a good dog trainer, it is possible to teach the dog basically, "Thank you for warning us, you can stop now". I do this with my inside beagle, she will now bark 3-4 times and then look at me, as long as I acknowledge her, she shuts up and goes back to sleep;) A good board for talking to people knowledgable about this is homesteading.com and then the "pets" subforum. Many of them have LGDs, and will be able to advise you more.

Good luck!
Terri
PS Goofy, we all want to see pix of your Komondors!
 
If all else fails, you could try a barking collar. The collar would give her a warning beep and then a shock when she barks. Years ago when we were moving to a new home, we had to relocate to an apartment for a few months because our hold home sold the builder of our new home was behind schedule. Our dog was apparently barking all day while we were gone at work. The landlord said we'd have to move or solve the problem. We ended up getting her a barking collar and it worked great. It took her a couple of days to learn that the beeps meant a small shock was coming. The endless barking stopped.

The collar we had also shut-off, so if the dog barked endlessly for more than a minute or so, the collar just shut off. That way if there really was a reason to bark (ie - an intruder), the dog would not get shocked continuously.

We only put the collar on when we were away or if there was commotion going on outside where she started barking a lot. Once she'd see us coming towards her with the collar, she'd stop barking. That's all it took after a while.

Some may think a barking collar is cruel, but dogs learn quickly so they don't really get shocked that much at all.
 
If all else fails, you could try a barking collar. The collar would give her a warning beep and then a shock when she barks. Years ago when we were moving to a new home, we had to relocate to an apartment for a few months because our hold home sold the builder of our new home was behind schedule. Our dog was apparently barking all day while we were gone at work. The landlord said we'd have to move or solve the problem. We ended up getting her a barking collar and it worked great. It took her a couple of days to learn that the beeps meant a small shock was coming. The endless barking stopped.

The collar we had also shut-off, so if the dog barked endlessly for more than a minute or so, the collar just shut off. That way if there really was a reason to bark (ie - an intruder), the dog would not get shocked continuously.

We only put the collar on when we were away or if there was commotion going on outside where she started barking a lot. Once she'd see us coming towards her with the collar, she'd stop barking. That's all it took after a while.

Some may think a barking collar is cruel, but dogs learn quickly so they don't really get shocked that much at all.

Barking collars (as well as invisible fencing) do not typically work on the LGD group of dogs.

As we mentioned, the LGD's basic personality is completely different than a typical dog. It is almost as if they are a separate species of dog. Unless you really know the group, it is extremely hard to explain the difference. But, the LGD is not your typical dog by breeding and instinct and most typical training methods will not work.

Note in the article above, the regular, typical dog was purposely bred to be subservient to man, to listen and to obey man no matter what. They will also obey commands like shock collars.

The LGD group of dogs were purposely bred for hundreds of years to be independent thinkers so they can work without human's intervention. They were purposely bred away from the "pleasing the human and taking commands" personality. They have purposely been bred not to blindly submit - not to man, not to a shock collar.

Thus, if they think something needs to be guarded, a little shock is not going to deter them one bit. The LGD also has an extremely high pain tolerance (necessary when they have to engage wolves, bears and other predators), so a shock collar is nothing to them.

For instance, take the difference between a highly trained GSD and a highly trained LGD. We have all seen how a German Shepherd police dog can be sent in on an attack and be called off, even in mid leap. The dog can be ripping the pads off the "thief" and the handler can command it to a down stay and the dog will reliably drop no matter what it thinks about the situation or if the dog thinks the the thief is a threat. The Shepherd will defer to the handler to determine the threat.

Now take the LGD. The LGD, even if it is just as highly trained as the shepherd, will assess the situation and make its own decision on how credible the threat is to his handler. It will chose to either accept the handler's assessment of the situation and obey his command to down, or it will make its own decision and continue with its plan of attack. This is exactly what the dog is supposed to do, it was how he was bred for hundreds of years. It is instinct and no amount of training can train it out of them.

It is why, although superb guard dogs, you will never see an LGD in police or protection work. They make their own decisions and sometimes those decisions are not what the humans want. It is also why they will ignore something little like a measly shock collar. If there is a threat that needs to be barked about, no amount of shock is going to deter the dog's decision.

It is also why owning an LGD is a big responsibility and takes more work and attention than owning a regular dog. You always have to be one step ahead of them and think like they think to anticipate their reactions.
 
Thanks for the very helpful info and links Goofy!:thumbsup2 Some of that stuff doesn't bode very well for us folks that like to sleep at night.:eek: Luckily, the kids seem to sleep right through the drama each night but DH and I sure don't.

Feel free to PM me anytime.

Follow Yoopermom's advice and find a support group, preferably a mentor with a Pyr that can help you. I found it invaluable to have a mentor guide me through the beginning years of owning my first LGD. It is hard work, but oh so worth it!

I am subscribed to this LGD list. Although most people have working LGD's, everybody is quite helpful and you learn tons about how your dog is thinking.

http://apple.ease.lsoft.com/archives/lgd-l.html

Also, go to www.LGD.org. This is actually the website I originally meant to give you. The article about the Daemon sisters (kuvasz *****es) is hysterical and also gives you some insight on how different these dogs are.

Yoopermom - I will get some photos up as soon as I can. :goodvibes
 












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