How high do you think gas prices will go?

[MillauFr]

I think most residents of the Silicon Valley are more accurately classified as Libertarians. They only want the government to enforce the intellectual property laws. That is why they see eye to eye with Musk.

 

[kdonnel]

Well...he's a total tool....but, he makes a hell of a product. I'm definitely someone who has had to put aside my feelings for Musk to find a kind of middle ground in order to purchase his car. I put him a bit in the Steve Jobs category. Jobs was also known to be a real jerk at times. And my house and life are littered with apple products. I have neighbors around the corner who are as liberal as you can possibly be. They're also both on our town's environmental committee. And they were very early adopters of the Tesla S...like one of the first 500 sold. They still have that S, and just got a blue Tesla Y. So, they're able to put up with Musk's shenanigans. I believe that the liberal inhabitants of Silicon Valley have also made a truce of some kind with Musk. From what I understand, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a Tesla. I feel like it's getting that way in my neck of the woods where the number of Teslas on the road has really gone up.

The hatred toward him is what has so far prevented me from buying a Tesla. I have read so many stories about Tesla owners being abused by people because they hate Elon Musk and Tesla. Either their cars are vandalized or they are targeted on the road by idiots.

Electric is the future and I am happy to drive electric, I just don't want a target on my back put there by judgemental fools.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Don't disagree but that makes no sense when you think about it. Look at Ram Trucks. The development and manufacturing are controlled by a French/Italian conglomerate based in the Netherlands. I doubt those executives share the values of the buyers. You would think those buyers would gravitate towards someone like Musk who shares their beliefs.

I completely agree with you, but I think it's more of the "you'll have to pry that gas pump from my cold dying...." kind of deal. I've also read that a lot of truck owners who tow things say electric trucks will never provide the kind of power they need...etc. I don't know if that's true, but probably not for most of the things truck owners do.

I don't really know what it is, but this non-Musk loving, red-blooded American....will be plugging her cars in for the rest of my life. And I think the more EVs we see on the road, the more likely others will come around.

 

[dvcgirl67]

The hatred toward him is what has so far prevented me from buying a Tesla. I have read so many stories about Tesla owners being abused by people because they hate Elon Musk and Tesla. Either their cars are vandalized or they are targeted on the road by idiots.

Electric is the future and I am happy to drive electric, I just don't want a target on my back put there by judgemental fools.

Oh wow...I hadn't heard of that nor have I seen any stories. Nobody has messed with our Tesla....so far at least. Trying to figure out the logic....is it people in cities going after Teslas because Musk moved out of California? Or in suburbs and rural areas because coastal elites are the most likely Tesla buyers? I'm not saying this about you at all kdonnel....but this sounds like a classic...."we need the news people to tell us how to think and who to cancel"....kind of deal.

 

[OhMari]

Gas prices started rising in 2007 to $4.00 a gallon and then the recession hit. I would hate to see another recession. I heard the next month is going to be a hiring frenzy, the unemployment checks are done and the money has run out, people who thought that it will be easy to find a job will be surprised. (My local McDonalds is hiring at $16 an hour.)

 

[Dan Murphy]

the number of Teslas on the road has really gone up.

I see many Teslas here in my area, Chicago, also.

 

[kdonnel]

Oh wow...I hadn't heard of that nor have I seen any stories. Nobody has messed with our Tesla....so far at least. Trying to figure out the logic....is it people in cities going after Teslas because Musk moved out of California? Or in suburbs and rural areas because coastal elites are the most likely Tesla buyers? I'm not saying this about you at all kdonnel....but this sounds like a classic...."we need the news people to tell us how to think and who to cancel"....kind of deal.

It is occurring in rural and urban areas.

Google “Tesla vandalism”. There are too many stories for it not to be real. I personally know two people who had vandalism. One had his car peed on, the other her car keyed. Both instances were caught on camera by the Tesla but the police investigations went no where.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I completely agree with you, but I think it's more of the "you'll have to pry that gas pump from my cold dying...." kind of deal. I've also read that a lot of truck owners who tow things say electric trucks will never provide the kind of power they need...etc. I don't know if that's true, but probably not for most of the things truck owners do.

I don't really know what it is, but this non-Musk loving, red-blooded American....will be plugging her cars in for the rest of my life. And I think the more EVs we see on the road, the more likely others will come around.

If you're talking about towing I think it depends on what you plan on towing.

In-laws had an F150 but traded up for an F350 diesel when they bought a 5th wheel 40+ foot one. They needed the power. But before then the F150 did fine with towing a 22 (I think it's that or a 23) ft boat and a flat bed trailer just fine.

For our needs we want a vehicle that can tow but don't plan on using it for large things, mostly a flat bed trailer. So an SUV with a decent enough towing capacity or the Ford Lightning will do just fine. The Ford Lightning can tow (at least from press releases) far more than we need it to do. The torque is also higher than a normal F150.

All that said it's going to be interesting to see how well received the Lightning is considering it's built off the frame of the most sold truck that might help it.

But is you're talking about feel of it I suppose that depends on each person and what they are used to. Makes me think about manual vs automatic just in how the feel of the car is

 

[dvcgirl67]

It is occurring in rural and urban areas.

Google “Tesla vandalism”. There are too many stories for it not to be real. I personally know two people who had vandalism. One had his car peed on, the other her car keyed. Both instances were caught on camera by the Tesla but the police investigations went no where.

I just did!! And wow, you're right....it's everywhere. And of course, you've seen the videos and so you know that *every* *single* *person*.....is caught on camera....lol! Teslas are covered in cameras and record everything. The one woman I saw was hilarious....she opens her car door, then sneakily throws her trash under her own car. Then she looks around to make sure she's not being watched (she's being filmed by the camera on the side of the Tesla like she's in a Scorcese film....lol!)....reaches across and keys the Tesla. Shuts her door....but she's not finished....and so she opens up the door and keys the Tesla again. Now she's satisfied, and so she slowly pulls out of her spot and we get the perfectly visible shot of her driving her white Mazda away....and her California plate that says "S❤UL M8TS". It didn't say if Miss Soul Mates was arrested...but betting she was. And she should be....because she's diabolical on a lot of levels.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Ive always been somewhat taken a back by how people freak over gas prices. Even if it went up an entire dollar a gallon thats only 20 more than it was before per tank on average. People complain and then drive their oversized SUV straight to chik-fil-a and blow $30 bucks.

This excludes commercial drivers, those who tow, drive huge Rvs, etc.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Ive always been somewhat taken a back by how people freak over gas prices. Even if it went up an entire dollar a gallon thats only 20 more than it was before per tank on average. People complain and then drive their oversized SUV straight to chik-fil-a and blow $30 bucks.

This excludes commercial drivers, those who tow, drive huge Rvs, etc.

Because it all adds up?? I've always thought it was strange when people bring in other things into the picture. So what if someone is going over to chick-fil-A and spends $30? It's still costing them more to fill up to even get to that chick-fil-A even if that amount they spent there was minimal. It's still costing them more to get anywhere and that's the actual argument when talking about gas prices raising not about bringing up all the other spending people are doing. People's discretionary spending all varies but it still impacts us all the gas pricing in one's area.

 

[Brett Wyman]

Because it all adds up?? I've always thought it was strange when people bring in other things into the picture. So what if someone is going over to chick-fil-A and spends $30? It's still costing them more to fill up to even get to that chick-fil-A even if that amount they spent there was minimal. It's still costing them more to get anywhere and that's the actual argument when talking about gas prices raising not about bringing up all the other spending people are doing. People's discretionary spending all varies but it still impacts us all the gas pricing in one's area.

The amount it adds up to just seems disproportional to all the noise that always occurs IMO.

 

[RedAngie]

The amount it adds up to just seems disproportional to all the noise that always occurs IMO.

I compare it to those who will wait in line for a half hour to fill up at the station that is five cents cheaper than across the street. All to save $1.04.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

The amount it adds up to just seems disproportional to all the noise that always occurs IMO.

It sounds like you're just less sympathetic to those with big huge SUVs who spend money frivolously (and I understand that) but it doesn't make the discussion about higher gas pricing any less valid because it's not just the people who fit the description you're talking about affected by it and that seems rather obvious (respectfully speaking). Loudest voices and all I get it but still. Perhaps the ones who are most financially impacted by it are too busy working to try to get that gas money to get to work to complain about it on social media who knows.

 

[MillauFr]

I compare it to those who will wait in line for a half hour to fill up at the station that is five cents cheaper than across the street. All to save $1.04.

I thought it was $3.21....

 

[MillauFr]

It sounds like you're just less sympathetic to those with big huge SUVs who spend money frivolously (and I understand that) but it doesn't make the discussion about higher gas pricing any less valid because it's not just the people who fit the description you're talking about affected by it and that seems rather obvious (respectfully speaking). Loudest voices and all I get it but still. Perhaps the ones who are most financially impacted by it are too busy working to try to get that gas money to get to work to complain about it on social media who knows.

Agreed. Who pays $50k for a monster SUV and then complains about $5 gas? That is like buying a $1.5m house and complaining about a $500 electricity bill every month.

 

[Disneylover99]

I compare it to those who will wait in line for a half hour to fill up at the station that is five cents cheaper than across the street. All to save $1.04.

Ahhh yes. My husband.

 

[Disneylover99]

Agreed. Who pays $50k for a monster SUV and then complains about $5 gas? That is like buying a $1.5m house and complaining about a $500 electricity bill every month.

Pretty much everyone I know. Lol.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

Musk just likes being in the limelight and says/does a lot of things to draw attention to himself. He strikes me as more of a carnival barker then effective business executive. At times it seems like no one is in charge at Tesla or the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing. Remember when Musk said you could now buy Tesla's with bitcoin?...........then shortly after that changed his mind due to the energy intensive mining process? Or the whole mess with Hertz buying Tesla's as rental cars? Musk recently said no agreement has been signed, but yet Hertz said they plan to pay list price so there wouldn't really need to be any signed contract.

This is the guy that praised a sex cult mouthpiece for it's unbiased journalism and called a heroic cave diver a pedo.




I actually found some of the votes.










Not even Rick and Morty fans could stand up to Elon Musk's groupies for worst bunch on the net.

I don't get the Musk-California battle. Okay, he doesn't like California business practices, but California is the only state requiring all new cars sold after 2035 be electric. Of course, since we already don't have enough capacity to produce enough electricity in the summer and have rolling blackouts, not sure where they electricity to charge all those cars is going to come from.

Most Electric cars charge up at night when grid demand is otherwise at its lowest and excess capacity exists.

As for Musk's battle with California, Texas' loss is California's gain. He hates paying his fair share of taxes, but he sees no problem with feeding at the public trough living on everyone else's taxes. And no state nursed Elon Musk more than California. And this is the thanks they get. Communism and your tax dollars for me, free market for thee.

LOL - I never understood how some can spout off nonsense about electric cars being some commie plot. Musk is about the exact opposite of that doing battle with California politicians. Wouldn't the conservative elements be cheering him on and lining up to buy Teslas?

Because one angelic instance of ignoring the safety of your employees and getting into a big spat with officials over it to the point where you take your ball and go to Texas does not make up for years of wickedness producing something as insipid as battery operated cars.
/s

 

[Brett Wyman]

It sounds like you're just less sympathetic to those with big huge SUVs who spend money frivolously (and I understand that) but it doesn't make the discussion about higher gas pricing any less valid because it's not just the people who fit the description you're talking about affected by it and that seems rather obvious (respectfully speaking). Loudest voices and all I get it but still. Perhaps the ones who are most financially impacted by it are too busy working to try to get that gas money to get to work to complain about it on social media who knows.

Yeah good points. I guess I should say the noise coming from people with obvious discretionary money seems to be disproportionate to the actual amount.