Florida senators introduce bill to allow cruise lines to restart

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"At its heart, the Set Sail Safely Act would do two basic things:
  • Require the proper federal agencies, led by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, to work together with input from private sector stakeholders to develop a plan for the safe resumption of cruise line operations.
  • Create a timeline for meetings of the Task Force, recommendations, and implementation of the Task Force’s recommendations.
The Maritime Task Force would include representatives from several federal agencies, including the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, Customs and Border Protection, U.S. Coast Guard, Health and Human Services, Department of Transportation, Department of State and the Federal Maritime Commission."

https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/09/16/us-senators-introduce-bill-allow-cruise-lines-restart
Don't know they can do anything until CDC gives the nod - but this is a welcome development.
 
I know the 2 Florida Senators meant well but this might make things worse. Now not only do cruise lines have to wait to see what the CDC is going to do but they also might wait to see how this legislation plays out which will effect their operations if passed. This is unbelievable, no other business on the planet has to prove they’re Covid safe enough to re-open. I can go to a Vegas casino and resort for week but can’t take a 3 night Disney Cruise. Absurd double standard. Cruise ban ends in 13 days, let it drop and let’s move on like all other businesses have done.
 
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I know the 2 Florida Senators meant well but this might make things worse. Now not only do cruise lines have to wait to see what the CDC is going to do but they also might wait to see how this legislation plays out which will effect their operations cruis if passed. This is unbelievable, no other business on the planet has to prove they’re Covid safe enough to re-open. I can go to a Vegas casino and resort for week but can’t take a 3 night Disney Cruise. Absurd double standard. Cruise ban ends in 13 days, let it drop and let’s move on like all other businesses have done.

You always seem to forget about the close quarters of cruising, it cannot compare to being in Vegas or a resort hotel.

Cruise Ships are a breeding ground for illness, 2,000-4,000 people staying in the same area for days at a time spreads the virus so much quicker.
Also, at this point there are not many Countries that want cruise ships to dock at their ports and risk thousands of people coming off the ship and possibly spreading the virus there.

You seem to think the CDC is out to get you for some reason.
It's not safe to cruise, when it is, they will allow it again.
It's not a conspiracy, it's a pandemic.
 
You always seem to forget about the close quarters of cruising, it cannot compare to being in Vegas or a resort hotel.

Cruise Ships are a breeding ground for illness, 2,000-4,000 people staying in the same area for days at a time spreads the virus so much quicker.
Also, at this point there are not many Countries that want cruise ships to dock at their ports and risk thousands of people coming off the ship and possibly spreading the virus there.

You seem to think the CDC is out to get you for some reason.
It's not safe to cruise, when it is, they will allow it again.
It's not a conspiracy, it's a pandemic.

And, cruising is not the only business where reopening is a challenge.
 


I know the 2 Florida Senators meant well but this might make things worse. Now not only do cruise lines have to wait to see what the CDC is going to do but they also might wait to see how this legislation plays out which will effect their operations if passed. This is unbelievable, no other business on the planet has to prove they’re Covid safe enough to re-open. I can go to a Vegas casino and resort for week but can’t take a 3 night Disney Cruise. Absurd double standard. Cruise ban ends in 13 days, let it drop and let’s move on like all other businesses have done.

Cruising is also an international endeavor. Cruise ships don't just sail in US waters and their employees aren't just US citizens. I have a co-worker who's daughter was working on a RC for their art dealer. She started in February and had 1 cruise under her belt when the COVID shut down happened. She was stuck on the ship for months with no passengers, just sailing because no port would let them in. She's home now, safely, but cruise companies have to be very careful for their employees sake as well.

I want to go on vacation too, but I also recognize that government officials aren't punishing cruise companies
 
You seem to think the CDC is out to get you for some reason.
It's not safe to cruise, when it is, they will allow it again.
It's not a conspiracy, it's a pandemic.

Many people keep bringing up the cruise lines have nowhere to sail to. That is the cruise line's problem to solve, not us or the government. End the ban and that will be addressed by the cruse lines, if not, then there is nothing to worry about because cruises won't go anywhere anyway. That is step 20 and not our problem, let's address step one first, the ban.

I do not feel the CDC's is out to get anybody or that it is punishment or that it's a conspiracy, I just feel they are plain wrong. If it is truly a pandemic like you stated, then you don't fight pandemics by banning a single business. Viruses do not cleave to just a single type of business. I also feel that cruising done right isn't anymore dangerous than land businesses done wrong (exhibit A = millions of Covid positive with no cruising). I do not agree with the glaring hypocrisy that almost all seem to overlook. If this is permitted today with cruising and you do nothing, tomorrow it could be something worse. Anyone can justify an incorrect path or policy by just claiming they are doing it for safety or in your best interests. It is an attempt to shut others down because it creates the perception that if you think differently or argue a different position than you must be against the public interest or against safety. Nothing could be further from the truth. I feel that cruising can be done safely today and also feel that nowhere on the planet has zero risk, so it is unrealistic to expect that of any business, including cruising. You can be for resuming cruising and for fighting Covid/Safety, you do not have to be in one camp or the other. I do not feel it comes down to one group is right and one group is wrong, just feel it comes down to two philosophies, you have the "why we can'ts" and the "how we cans". The current problem I have with the why we can'ts is that the why we can't could be used for anything, so why only cruising. Makes no sense. Millions infected, hundreds of thousands dead, millions more sick, hospitalized or unemployed but don't worry America, you're safe because we banned cruises. Their new motto should be "cruise ban, enough said".

The Florida Senators should have also put the following in their bill. I also think it needs to be addressed that the CDC has a huge conflict of interest which may be why in the largest pandemic in the agency's history, they still have taken no action against land businesses. Many of the CDC's goals are achieved via funding through their CDC foundation which is a 501(c)(3). There's an old saying "you don't bite the hand that feeds you". Many high Covid risk businesses contribute regularly to this non-profit which benefits the CDC's ability to carry out it's mission. With that in mind, the CDC should not be in the company banning business because the way they are funded leaves them open to bias and their ability to remain independent from outside financial influence is compromised.
 
Many people keep bringing up the cruise lines have nowhere to sail to. That is the cruise line's problem to solve, not us or the government. End the ban and that will be addressed by the cruse lines, if not, then there is nothing to worry about because cruises won't go anywhere anyway. That is step 20 and not our problem, let's address step one first, the ban.

I do not feel the CDC's is out to get anybody or that it is punishment or that it's a conspiracy, I just feel they are plain wrong. If it is truly a pandemic like you stated, then you don't fight pandemics by banning a single business. Viruses do not cleave to just a single type of business. I also feel that cruising done right isn't anymore dangerous than land businesses done wrong (exhibit A = millions of Covid positive with no cruising). I do not agree with the glaring hypocrisy that almost all seem to overlook. If this is permitted today with cruising and you do nothing, tomorrow it could be something worse. Anyone can justify an incorrect path or policy by just claiming they are doing it for safety or in your best interests. It is an attempt to shut others down because it creates the perception that if you think differently or argue a different position than you must be against the public interest or against safety. Nothing could be further from the truth. I feel that cruising can be done safely today and also feel that nowhere on the planet has zero risk, so it is unrealistic to expect that of any business, including cruising. You can be for resuming cruising and for fighting Covid/Safety, you do not have to be in one camp or the other. I do not feel it comes down to one group is right and one group is wrong, just feel it comes down to two philosophies, you have the "why we can'ts" and the "how we cans". The current problem I have with the why we can'ts is that the why we can't could be used for anything, so why only cruising. Makes no sense. Millions infected, hundreds of thousands dead, millions more sick, hospitalized or unemployed but don't worry America, you're safe because we banned cruises. Their new motto should be "cruise ban, enough said".

The Florida Senators should have also put the following in their bill. I also think it needs to be addressed that the CDC has a huge conflict of interest which may be why in the largest pandemic in the agency's history, they still have taken no action against land businesses. Many of the CDC's goals are achieved via funding through their CDC foundation which is a 501(c)(3). There's an old saying "you don't bite the hand that feeds you". Many high Covid risk businesses contribute regularly to this non-profit which benefits the CDC's ability to carry out it's mission. With that in mind, the CDC should not be in the company banning business because the way they are funded leaves them open to bias and their ability to remain independent from outside financial influence is compromised.

I guess you don't remember the cruise ships sailing aimlessly in the ocean in March/April that were unwanted by many ports and the fight it took to get them docked and the dead people onboard and the sick people onboard that needed a hospital immediately. The CDC remembers and they must not want the risk at this point because no matter your logic, it isn't safe right now.
 
I guess you don't remember the cruise ships sailing aimlessly in the ocean in March/April that were unwanted by many ports and the fight it took to get them docked and the dead people onboard and the sick people onboard that needed a hospital immediately. The CDC remembers and they must not want the risk at this point because no matter your logic, it isn't safe right now.

I do remember and know that has nothing to do with today. At the time we were trying to keep Covid out, we were trying to slow the spread so that healthcare and PPE production could catch up. Nothing to do with today. The logic you're using could be used against any industry and double standard policies like that is why we have millions positive even without cruising. Cruising will never be "safe", ever. Never has, never will. Just like every other business.
 
I do remember and know that has nothing to do with today. At the time we were trying to keep Covid out, we were trying to slow the spread so that healthcare and PPE production could catch up. Nothing to do with today. The logic you're using could be used against any industry and double standard policies like that is why we have millions positive even without cruising. Cruising will never be "safe", ever. Never has, never will. Just like very other business.

You really need a new hobby, you are relentless with your theories.
Pretty sure every country wants to keep Covid out today as much as they did in March.
 
Cruise lines are not even US businesses. Cruising right now is a terrible, terrible idea. Even if they were to resume sailing, how many people would actually cruise? Profit margins are tough on ships in the best of times.
 
You really need a new hobby, you are relentless with your theories.
Pretty sure every country wants to keep Covid out today as much as they did in March.

I do not proclaim to know what every country wants and I would definitely not cross the line and tell you what you need to do, we may be able to agree that there would be no harm in dropping the ban then because the ships have nowhere to go. I'm not relentless in my "theories", just have a different point of view. If I agreed with you and we had the same point of view would it still be "theories"? Prolly not.
 
If it is truly a pandemic like you stated, then you don't fight pandemics by banning a single business.
Considering AIR travel is what spread the virus in first place. But airlines are back to packing flights...
I do remember and know that has nothing to do with today
I want to buy you a beverage of your choice for saying this. our situation TODAY is NOTHING like 6-8 months ago, much more is known now yet public policy is still being driven like it's April in many places.
<raises hand> I would. 😉
Me too!
And more and more countries are opening up for tourism as numbers drop...
 
Seems like a good idea to include the State Department. After all, it does not matter if the US says they can cruise if there is nowhere to go.


Theres a few Carribean ports that are setting up bubbles for cruise passengers. The Bahamas are 1 for example.


Cruise lines are not even US businesses. Cruising right now is a terrible, terrible idea. Even if they were to resume sailing, how many people would actually cruise? Profit margins are tough on ships in the best of times.

Its true that most cruise lines are foreign entities, though there are a few US flagged and based river cruises etc. However, the big players, Carnival, NCL, RCCL etc, all have offices here in the states, particularly the Miami area. Most of those offices are close to empty, and thats not counting all of the US citizens that depend on cruises as part of or in its entirety business. Stevedores, port agents, crews that man the terminals all of the little and not so little car and bus transportation operators that get mentioned on the board, the drivers that supply the ships with food, etc, the people that supply the food and services, all of the area restaurants, hotels and businesses that benefit from a ship coming or going....... Its a pretty big never ending list. And thats just here. Add in the European ports, Asian and Pacific ports, and all of the ports that ships call on, and potentially were talking millions of people that are directly affected by no ships. Just a rough count off the top of my head, theres probably 20 ports in the US give or take that the big ships use as a home port. That alone could account for a million people directly and indirectly affected by the no sail order.
 

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