DVC plans to target commercial renters

[Genie+]

Actually, that was said at the end of one of the meetings. I was at two of them.

While that article captured highlights of the VGF meeting, it did not include everything that was said.

So, they definitely also stated that they Hope by by next year we won’t be having the same conversation.

It would be helpful for the rest of us to know who said it and in what context.

 

[lowlight]

It would be helpful for the rest of us to know who said it and in what context.

Yes, it's a shame there aren't available minutes for the meetings.

The truly brutal part is DVC waiting until these timeshare landlords pay their dues in January, and then dropping the hammer. Maybe we'll see enforcement start January 16th. Time to scoop up some cheaper contracts.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Yes, it's a shame there aren't available minutes for the meetings.

The truly brutal part is DVC waiting until these timeshare landlords pay their dues in January, and then dropping the hammer. Maybe we'll see enforcement start January 16th. Time to scoop up some cheaper contracts.

If they were ready done now why wait. Certainly not because of the annual dues. If owners need to sell they need to pay the dues, so the HOA gets their money no matter what.

 

[VGCgroupie]

DVC did define renting for commericial purposes in 2008....they indicated that a membership that had more than 20 reservations in a rolling 12 month period would be subject to review, and it would be assumed that the owner was engaging in a commerical purpose. Any reservations over 20 would be canceled, unless the owner could provde to DVC's satisfaction that none of the 20 were rentals.

So, we have some insight into where DVC drew the line....now, they have since gotten rid of that language and made it less clear in that it is a "pattern of activity" that one can reasonably conclude is you running a business. In my conversations with them last year, they pointed to the terms of the contract and the summary of all of it was that, I, as an owner, it is my job to follow the terms of the contract....and understand the intent of that clause.

That tells me that as long as what I am doing seems reasonable, I should be fine. If DVC decides it is not, they will let me know.

I am taking the statements by the board at the meetings as a guide. They mentioned several times large point owners who have found away around the rule but are the ones savy enough to know how to capitalize on it.

Maybe they made the statement so everyone who knows what they are doing skates the lines of the rules clean house themselves and they wont have to, smart move imo.

 

[Sandisw]

It would be helpful for the rest of us to know who said it and in what context.

Yvonne Chang said it at the end of the meeting. It may have been the SSR meeting but since I did both the same day, it could have been VGF.

It was basically, “yes, we have been hearing this and we hope by next year we won’t be having this same conversation”.

The conversation around walking and commercial renting was a lot more in depth in the VGF one than the SSR one.

Just pointing out thst the article did not include word for word how the question was asked and answered.

For example, the discussion related to walking at VGF lasted over 5 minutes. And that came as an answer to a question asked in light of renting.

At SSR, the topic of walking was a blip, and commercial renting was more of short conversation vs VGF which did include more.

I can say the new annual dues situation came up in VGF and rooms ready by 4 pm came up in SSR.

 

[tx911]

Yvonne Chang said it at the end of the meeting. It may have been the SSR meeting but since I did both the same day. It was basically, “yes, we have been hearing this and we hope by next year we won’t be having this same conversation”.

The conversation around walking and commercial renting was a lot more in depth in the VGF one than the SSR one.

Just pointing out thst the article did not include word for word how the question was asked and answered.

For example, the discussion related to walking at VGF lasted over 5 minutes. And that came as an answer to a question asked in light of renting.

At SSR, the topic of walking was a blip, and commercial renting was more of short conversation vs VGF which did include more.

Isn't that the same person who said the current plan is to make the tower part of the existing Polynesian resort?
She seems to be an expert at vague and unconvincing language

 

[zavandor]

Careful, might wind up on a renter to watch list.

No problem, I have nothing to fear, as I don't have a business renting points.
Also, DVC might already not like me very much, so this won't make any difference.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

Before casting stones at Hans, you may want to do a proper investigation against those pesky trolls. They seem to have some magical abilities and Hans was Prince Charming before the trolls sang “Fixer Upper” to help their adopted son.

I’ve seen that movie more times than I care to count and as far as I can tell, the only hint we get that Hans is nefarious is that he tells Anna “sandwiches” was how he also was going to complete “we finish each other’s…”, so we get a hint he’s a liar.

Wow. I’ve heard a lot of insane things on these boards. Lots I’ve disagreed with vehemently. But this might be the most egregious and upsetting thing I’ve ever read. Hans was a manipulative, would-be murdering usurper and we think that compares to a boy who needed to be harmlessly fixed up a bit and turned into a man? Smdh, smdh

Sorry mods, this is too important to not be addressed here.

 

[Sandisw]

Wow. I’ve heard a lot of insane things on these boards. Lots I’ve disagreed with vehemently. But this might be the most egregious and upsetting thing I’ve ever read. Hans was a manipulative, would-be murdering usurper and we think that compares to a boy who needed to be harmlessly fixed up a bit and turned into a man? Smdh, smdh

Sorry mods, this is too important to not be addressed here.

Levity and sometime off topic is needed! And some things simply can’t be ignored!!!! Hahahaa

 

[lowlight]

If they were ready done now why wait. Certainly not because of the annual dues. If owners need to sell they need to pay the dues, so the HOA gets their money no matter what.

I guess I'm assuming these enormous LLC's aren't very liquid, and a complete stoppage of their sole income source with a large dues payment coming up will lead to bankruptcy. Selling one contract isn't a big deal, but having to sell 500 large contracts with no income coming in will probably leave them insolvent come dues time, no?

 

[Hubalorian]

Wow. I’ve heard a lot of insane things on these boards. Lots I’ve disagreed with vehemently. But this might be the most egregious and upsetting thing I’ve ever read. Hans was a manipulative, would-be murdering usurper and we think that compares to a boy who needed to be harmlessly fixed up a bit and turned into a man? Smdh, smdh

Sorry mods, this is too important to not be addressed here.

You may be misunderstanding my statement. I am not saying the trolls did anything nefarious nor am I saying they did not do anything to change Hans. I’m just saying that the trolls need a proper investigating because there was nothing before the song to make him a “bad guy”. However, suddenly after the song from another race who have magical abilities, Hans has a dramatic personality shift. Seems to warrant an investigation at least.

 

[eticketplease]

When I am making reservations, especially at 11mo at 8a, I grab what i can in my name only, and then modify at my leisure.

This is me 100%. After the system timing out when entering everyones names several times I no longer take the chance and just do me with the prefilled info and delete the last 4 of the zip code as it always states it is not the correct address if I don't.

 

[Sandisw]

This is me 100%. After the system timing out when entering everyones names several times I no longer take the chance and just do me with the prefilled info and delete the last 4 of the zip code as it always states it is not the correct address if I don't.

Did that yesterday when I hit the lottery and got a RV RIV studio!! I wasn’t taking chances.

Did the same thing today when I booked my second studio, but this time it was PV…but still,,.even those could go fast!

ETA: And I just snagged the 2nd of December in a RV studio so now I can keep trying so both end up that way! Yeah!

 

[eticketplease]

Did that yesterday when I hit the lottery and got a RV RIV studio!!

No lottery win for me as I had to follow the walker for F&W

 

[JackosinDIS]

Did that yesterday when I hit the lottery and got a RV RIV studio!! I wasn’t taking chances.

Did the same thing today when I booked my second studio, but this time it was PV…but still,,.even those could go fast!

ETA: And I just snagged the 2nd of December in a RV studio so now I can keep trying so both end up that way! Yeah!

And you will most likely end up with 2 RV studios, as you are prepared to put in a little bit of effort to get the room you want.

 

[Cyberc1978]

And you will most likely end up with 2 RV studios, as you are prepared to put in a little bit of effort to get the room you want.

To me that’s the key word effort

I dont mind picking up droppings from walkers, don’t mind stalking multiple times a day, heck I sometimes even find it fun

If all owners put in some effort to get their reservations then maybe (only maybe) everything wouldn’t be so dark.

 

[JackosinDIS]

To me that’s the key word effort

I dont mind picking up droppings from walkers, don’t mind stalking multiple times a day, heck I sometimes even find it fun

If all owners put in some effort to get their reservations then maybe (only maybe) everything wouldn’t be so dark.

Exactly. But some people would rather be DVC martyrs it seems.

 

[Sandisw]

To me that’s the key word effort

I dont mind picking up droppings from walkers, don’t mind stalking multiple times a day, heck I sometimes even find it fun

If all owners put in some effort to get their reservations then maybe (only maybe) everything wouldn’t be so dark.

Yup! And my experience yesterday proves that someone can get a room even when it’s been walked. Might not be easy but booking for December never has been.

I was obviously okay with getting PV for the second one, but so far, I have yet to be able to use stalking and waitlists to end up in the RV rooms for my trips!

So I do expect that I will end up with them in the end!

 

[xdan0920]

To me that’s the key word effort

I dont mind picking up droppings from walkers, don’t mind stalking multiple times a day, heck I sometimes even find it fun

If all owners put in some effort to get their reservations then maybe (only maybe) everything wouldn’t be so dark.

Yeah! Be less lazy! Check the notoriously awful website 10x a day. The fact that thousands of confirmed bookings and 10s if not 100s of thousands of points are available to rent has no impact on availability. It’s all down to grabbing those boot straps and pulling yourself up.

 

[lowlight]

To me that’s the key word effort

I dont mind picking up droppings from walkers, don’t mind stalking multiple times a day, heck I sometimes even find it fun

If all owners put in some effort to get their reservations then maybe (only maybe) everything wouldn’t be so dark.

Yeah, just gotta pull yourself up by your bootstraps…kids these days want everything just given to them!

Uh… Walking is 100x easier to get what you want as opposed to picking up scraps leftover by walkers and hoping you can piece together a trip with waitlists, checking back each day at 8 and several times through out the day to find a dropped day. That’s why people do it.