DVC plans to target commercial renters

[Sandisw]

Gma and Gpa can still have unlimited non-overlapping bookings.

I think why overall Wyndham owners ended up not minding the system is because when you apply to real actual use, it’s not as disrupting as one might initially expect. For most it is no disruption at all even if taking more than 2 trips per year or giving away more than 2 trips, etc.

Try to come up with a full year plan, whether 100 or 1000 points are owned, that ends up impacted.

I have three adult children who travel yearly and without me for one of them. They are owners but on only one of our three memberships.

I So, I really hope they do not make a policy that assumes all owners are renters and limit the use.

Set a threshold for review of accounts, have discussions with owners who hit the threshold and then make a decision based on whether it appears the membership is in violation. Cancel all trips that are above it.

Thst is what the only 20 per membership policy did. All they need to do is lower that threshold for review.

 

[Genie+]

Folks, there is no mechanism that will effectively curb rentals while not impacting the membership in any negative way

Good reminder.

I didn’t mean to imply there was such a thing but it can be read that way. More to think about the way most of us actually use our contract and not just hypotheticals. What kind of trips are ‘we’ booking over a year. An actual set of trips. It would depend which rooms/dates DVC put the limits - until then no way to be certain.

I get the feeling it looks stricter on the surface than how it would actually function for most.

 

[Matty B13]

I wonder what percentage of owners actually book more than 1-3 trips per year? And then just work from the list that book more than that, and figure out who is renting commercially.

 

[Genie+]

What about the owners who have adult children who travel on their own,?

Definitely don’t want to see limits where owners can’t send immediate family without them because of a threshold.

But you could still do that. The limit of 2 is not on everything, just the small target where commercial use has been concerned. Yeah you might be limited for VGF Standard studio in December, but you first still be able to book up 2, and any trip where an actual owner overlapped wouldn’t count.

 

[Sandisw]

But you could still do that. The limit of 2 is not on everything, just the small target where commercial use has been concerned. Yeah you might be limited for VGF Standard studio in December, but you first still be able to book up 2, and any trip where an actual owner overlapped wouldn’t count.

I thought it was 2 for the entire year. If it’s limits during seasonal times or rooms, then I could see it being less impactful.

 

[Genie+]

I thought it was 2 for the entire year. If it’s limits during seasonal times or rooms, then I could see it being less impactful.

And that’s where I think it appears more strict than it actually performs.

Keeping the example of VGF in December, the lakeview or theme park view rooms wouldn’t (eta - I should say might, because DVC would need to decide where to place these limitations) count either.

 

[TCRAIG]

I wonder what percentage of owners actually book more than 1-3 trips per year? And then just work from the list that book more than that, and figure out who is renting commercially.

Me - I do…
Not 20 - more like 4 - and 99.99% of the time they’re all just for me travelling solo…
I would also imaging that locals could book multiple one nights reservations just for themselves…

Edited to add that mine are not one night reservations - more like 8-12 night ones…

 

[nalababybear]

Depends on who you ask. With Wyndham there were definitely cases of mega-renters posting that they also had “legitimate” non-rental reservations for family and friends cancelled (and some of them had their accounts suspended entirely for a period of time). However, no negative action (including canceling reservations) was taken until after an official warning letter had been sent telling the person to knock it off. If someone got the “knock it off” letter because of their activity matching what a mega-renter would do, and then continued using tons of guest confirmations, they did so at their own peril.

This would be the most obvious behind-the-scenes option to do.

DVC clearly knows who are the big commercial renters and they can do this right now. There's some evidence that they may be doing some actions as folk have noted an influx of stripped contracts.

The concern is be the next step -- beyond the warning letter -- will Disney tighten it further if they've already done this and expand into more cancellations?

What if they start cancelling without notice on what they THINK is commercial since it's not defined or delineated with a 'warning letter' like some have suggested up thread?

Would we want such a nonspecific criteria to be had by Disney and play room roulette to start our vacations? That would put a serious damper on the my outlook of DVC as owners for sure. Just go own at Wyndham for 10% of the cost or stay Dolphin/Swan on Marriott points just as easily

The magic of DVC is its simplicity. Book at 7 or 11 months; holding at 30 days; use/bank/borrow surrounding years. That's it. elevator pitch done.

 

[JackosinDIS]

I wonder what percentage of owners actually book more than 1-3 trips per year? And then just work from the list that book more than that, and figure out who is renting commercially.

At a guess, I’d say more than 50% of owners book more than this. The number would have to be a lot higher before DVC started looking at a list.

 

[Sandisw]

I wonder what percentage of owners actually book more than 1-3 trips per year? And then just work from the list that book more than that, and figure out who is renting commercially.

I average 4 to 6 times myself. My kids go without me a few times so we sometimes 6 to 9 times a year using our points.

Occasionally I have extra points for friends or family. None are rentals.

 

[Nabas]

What about the owners who have adult children who travel on their own?

Definitely don’t want to see limits where owners can’t send immediate family without them because of a threshold.

This is a big one for me. My adult children use a big chunk of my DVC points every year.

I would be extremely upset if Disney stopped me from booking DVC stays for my children.

 

[Sandisw]

This is a big one for me. My adult children use a big chunk of my DVC points every year.

I would be extremely upset if Disney stopped me from booking DVC stays for my children.

Like I said, I really hope that whatever is going to happen, they don’t start with the mindset that everyone is a renter.

I hope they simply put in ways to review accounts who might be in violation and take it from there

Adding all these limitations would really change it for me, especially since we are not even renters.

 

[Matty B13]

I'm still guessing more than the majority of owners only book 1 to 3 trips a year, which would eliminate a vast number of owners........ Then...... DVC could look at the booking patterns and names of the owners that are booking for renters and/or family members and contact these owners that they have concerns about. I'm guessing if DVC sees that you are booking the reservations for the same people all the time, they would figure out that they are family members. But if a member is booking several reservations with several different names they would contact the member and cancel the reservation.

 

[Nabas]

I'm still guessing more than the majority of owners only book 1 to 3 trips a year, which would eliminate a vast number of owners........ Then...... DVC could look at the booking patterns and names of the owners that are booking for renters and/or family members and contact these owners that they have concerns about. I'm guessing if DVC sees that you are booking the reservations for the same people all the time, they would figure out that they are family members. But if a member is booking several reservations with several different names they would contact the member and cancel the reservation.

I'm just guessing but...

I don't think Disney cares about those with 20 or so reservations per year.

But, for example, there is a website that had over 300 AKV Value Studio confirmed reservations listed a couple of months ago. (I have not checked recently.) They had many other confirmed reservations listed as well, including a lot of hard-to-book BWV-Standard View Studios.

I'm guessing these are the folks Disney might go after first.

 

[DebbieB]

I wonder what percentage of owners actually book more than 1-3 trips per year? And then just work from the list that book more than that, and figure out who is renting commercially.

I had 5 stays booked this year. Riviera, Boardwalk, VDL & VGC (same trip), Boardwalk. Plus a cash stay at Pop Century. Hit all 4 Epcot Festivals and D23. Happy to see end of year because I’m out of PTO ;-)

 

[hhisc16]

I'm just guessing but...

I don't think Disney cares about those with 20 or so reservations per year.

But, for example, there is a website that had over 300 AKV Value Studio confirmed reservations listed a couple of months ago. (I have not checked recently.) They had many other confirmed reservations listed as well, including a lot of hard-to-book BWV-Standard View Studios.

I'm guessing these are the folks Disney might go after first.

I agree and think dvc will go after the most public entities first with rentals.
As a small contract owner, we book short weekend stays that may add up to a dozen or so reservations per year, but we never rent.
I agree and doubt somebody like me would be on their radar.

 

[T00dles]

Putting adult children on a membership as Associate Members is easy (and no cost) and gives them reservation privileges. Probably smart if they travel on your points without you.

https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/faq/member-types/member-vs-associate

 

[Chuck S]

But you could still do that. The limit of 2 is not on everything, just the small target where commercial use has been concerned. Yeah you might be limited for VGF Standard studio in December, but you first still be able to book up 2, and any trip where an actual owner overlapped wouldn’t count.

And programing the online reservation system to check not only home resort, availability, how many reservations you have already have made, what resorts and or room types and dates those are to see if you can make them due to those restrictions would be a programming disaster. And it would still be easily worked around by simply having more than one membership with the same home resort but slightly different owners or use years.

 

[nalababybear]

And programing the online reservation system to check not only home resort, availability, how many reservations you have already have made, what resorts and or room types and dates those are to see if you can make them due to those restrictions would be a programming disaster. And it would still be easily worked around by simply having more than one membership with the same home resort but slightly different owners or use years.

Agreed. More rules; more workarounds; more complex. gives those who do this all day the leg up on things. Keep It Simple; harder to break.

Define commercial, enforce that. Start with warning letters and give them time to exit stage left without crashing the system. It's not that hard.

DVC is the long game for all stakeholders. Disney should know this and they will make changes, it'll be with that in mind. If they want to crash it into the ground and make DVC just another timeshare company -- they'll cook that golden goose.

 

[nalababybear]

I agree and think dvc will go after the most public entities first with rentals.
As a small contract owner, we book short weekend stays that may add up to a dozen or so reservations per year, but we never rent.
I agree and doubt somebody like me would be on their radar.

We just passed 1000 this year. Spend a lot of 1-2 days trips to local VGC since we're MK holders. book 3-4 a month every month so each use year has some 10+ reservations any given moment but end up really going 1/month. Will cancel or rent out the days we're not going depending on interest from F+F and FB sites on them.

This is especially true for Oct and nov for us since OBB ticket dates are the great unknown on getting we have some 8 reservations that month alone. If OBB were given real MK+DVC priorities, we'd book a heck lot less dates (HINT DISNEY IF YOU"RE READING!).

Defining commercial would help us determine our own priorities and adjust accordingly.

This is true for a lot of west coasters in Socal and I presume locals in Orlando area with APs that have fun getaways.