Behavior Challenge Thread

Koolaidmom, are you familiar with Classical Education? There are 3 phases to a classical education, grammar, dialectic, and rhetoric. The grammar is crammed full of learning facts. The dialectic is spent in part learning how to think critically and debate. The rhetoric, is putting all those fact, critical thinking, and debating into work. The curriculums have a very heavy focus on Greek and Roman Eras, particularly the history and the literature.

My oldest did traditional schooling through 5th grade, then went to a classical school for 6th to 10th grade. This year he is homeschooled. But there are some really good classical education homeschool curriculums out there.

Perhaps we need a new thread for homeschooling with ASD??

I know the theory of Classical Education from studying Greek and Roman history but not in practical application. I will have to read about this.

I think an ASD homeschooling thread is a great idea. Just for support and ideas of what is out there that may be of interest to our kids. :)
 
We went to see the touring production of The Lion King last night. While we were a little nervous of DS sitting that long we figured he was ready. Koolaidmoms picked him up from school at 3:15 (they don't get out until 4:15 and he has robotics on Tuesdays so he normally doesn't get out until 5:30) But we decided he needed to have some down time.

He did great and loved the show. Nice thing about a small city is with the show starting at 7:30 we didn't leave the house until 7:00 (we live 2 miles from the theater) so we didn't have a lot of wait time before hand.

He had me on one side of him and his uncle on the other and when he got to scary parts he would squeeze our hands.

It was awesome.
 
We went to see the touring production of The Lion King last night. While we were a little nervous of DS sitting that long we figured he was ready. Koolaidmoms picked him up from school at 3:15 (they don't get out until 4:15 and he has robotics on Tuesdays so he normally doesn't get out until 5:30) But we decided he needed to have some down time.

He did great and loved the show. Nice thing about a small city is with the show starting at 7:30 we didn't leave the house until 7:00 (we live 2 miles from the theater) so we didn't have a lot of wait time before hand.

He had me on one side of him and his uncle on the other and when he got to scary parts he would squeeze our hands.

It was awesome.

That is awesome!! Congratulations! Maybe it's the start of more successful shows?
 
Hello everyone! How is everybody? We're nearing the end of the school year and it seems with past experience that is when things start getting difficult again.

I am having some issues with dd and I need some advice.

At school, dd does amazingly well academically. She's not on target with reading but everything else is above level. Our problem is social. There is one girl in my dd's class that she has really bonded with-to a level that is bordering on obsessive. My dd is very territorial with this girl and gets mad if the girl wants to play with anyone else. My dd shuns the other children and can even get pretty hostile towards them if they try to encroach on her "territory" and play with the other girl. The other girl's mom has confided in me that this is disturbing the girl and upsetting her. I have tried to talk to my dd about "how to be a friend" but my dd gets upset and angry and states she "doesn't do that". The teacher just redirects and she is very nonagrressive and of the mindset it will go away on its own. Well, I know that's not likely to happen. The teacher placed the other girl next to my daughter as a "peer model" but I am afraid my dd is becoming way too attached to her. I know it is the end of the year (5 weeks left) but I am worried about this behavior and don't know whether I should have the teacher separate them (that would be devastating to my dd) or just let it go for the rest of the year??

My dd shadows this girl and even gets very mad at the girl if she tries to evade my dd. The other girl's mom told me my dd with threaten the girl that she will "tell the teacher" if the girl whispers to another girl or excludes dd. Also, the other girl is upset about my dd's adherence to "rules" of games they play and will not allow the other other girl to change things up-she gets tired of playing the same way every day. All of this is AS related and I have talked to the mom about it but she doesn't know what to do about it and neither do I.

Any suggestions?

Thanks and I hope all is well with everyone! :goodvibes
 
I'm glad your daughter has a peer model! I'm sorry, I don't have any answers or experience with it. Sending good thoughts, prayers and pixie dust for a resolution where everybody wins.
 
Will the other girsl mon let you and her sit down with her and the daughter and talk about the situation. If this girl is a "leader" if she underastands your daughters challenges and gifts fully, she may be able to be a much better friend and be much more comfortable in being friends.

It takes going over social things many times with our kids for them to be able to put the pieces together. If you talk in generic terms it may be a lot easier to keep her from gettng anxious, defensive and "shutting down".

bookwormde
 
The other girl's mom is quite open to suggestion and she knows my dd has AS. We spoke about it yesterday afternoon in more detail but she has known since the diagnosis- her dd was in the girl scout troop with my dd (back when all THAT drama was going on). I was watching the interaction between the 2 and it is quite obvious that my dd is "smothering" the other girl and is always inches away-not being mindful of the other girl's body language trying to get away. At one point I sat my dd down to try to give the other girl some breathing space but you could tell my dd was just painfully desiring to be "playing" with the girl.

You are right about talking about the social skills-if I bring up what my dd might improve she becomes quite defensive and angry but it does "sink in" a little and then after a time of processing for her she might be more open to a "generic" discussion later on. I thought of telling the other mom to instruct her daughter to be quite firm with my dd-that would lay down some ground rules-such as telling my dd when she is being too invasive. But the other girl is the shy silent type and just doesn't want to hurt my dd's feelings (ie bring on a tantrum) and is not so aggressive. The other girl is a leader type somewhat as many of the girls "look up to her"/respect her (who knows what drives 7 year old girls?) as the girl is smart, calm and sensible and not so catty (as many of the other children are).

I can't figure out how to explain to the girl why my dd is "obsessed" with her without it sounding as if she is psychologically impaired??? That's the problem with girls this age, they are somewhat quick to label and judge, and while they all know something is "quirky" and "different" with dd I don't want to give them (especially the meaner girls in the class) ammunition to tease my dd.
 
If she is smart just the clinical facts as to the geneitc variances and that it is part of evolution of our species might be a good way to approach the discussion.
 
Grace, the OT practice that our dd Zoe goes to has a "Social Skills" class that lasts for 12 weeks at a pop. Is there something like that close by y'all?

I know with our NT 13 yr old, sometimes it helps to hear things from someone other than Mom or Dad. I'm thinking this may be true for ASD kids too.
 
Grace, the OT practice that our dd Zoe goes to has a "Social Skills" class that lasts for 12 weeks at a pop. Is there something like that close by y'all?

I know with our NT 13 yr old, sometimes it helps to hear things from someone other than Mom or Dad. I'm thinking this may be true for ASD kids too.

DD has completed a few of those classes. She is also in Speech Therapy which consists of a lot more than simply articulation-but pragmatics such as how to speak to other kids, differences between "have to" and "want to", how to introduce yourself, how to give a compliment, etc, etc. I will try to think of someone who might be willing to talk to her about this-that is a good idea (dd sees a child therapist every other week so I'll give her a heads up). I don't want to lessen her friendship with this girl but I need to be able to broaden the "all or nothing" mindset my dd has when it comes to this girl.
 
Hey Grace Hugs at ya.

Nothing much here. We have 27 1/2 days of school left (that's without weekends and our updcoming trip excluded. The last day of school is June 22nd. Can't come soon enough.

Hope all is well with everyone.

-A
 
Okay today I have more time to write and think.

School gets out on June 24th (or whatever that Friday is). While we are still 99% sure we will home school we have decided to go into his upcoming CSE meeting as if he's going back to school. I feel this year has been an unmitigated disaster.

DP has started going to UNYFEAT (Upstate New York Families for Effective Autism Treatment) meetings once a month to Connect with other parents of elementary age children on the spectrum. We are starting to get a better understanding of his rights and how to approach a CSE. We thought we were fairly well informed but realized how much we were missing (and continue to). The autism specialist from the district is a joke (IMHO).

The folks from UNYFEAT were flabbergasted when they found out how little support DS was getting in the form of socialization and dealing with executive function.

We are having lunch with a friend of ours that we haven't seen much over the years as our lives have gone in different directions. Her son is 10 on the spectrum and we know she is quite the advocate so she has offered to let us pick her brain.

The meeting is on May 18th (DD's 11th Birthday). We'll let you all know how it goes.

In the mean time UNYFEAT has started Sibshops for siblings ages 8-12 with brothers and sisters on the spectrum. DD went to the first one last month and is already talking about the next one. While she said they didn't talk about stuff as she started talking about what they did, they did talk about "stuff". It's definitely nice for these kids to be with other kids that "get it".

Take Care all.
 
I saw the movie "Waiting For Superman" about the gross inadequacies of public education right now. I suggest everyone see it. I just don't hear too many good stories about schools doing what they are charged to do when it comes to our kids. My fight with the public school, which I thought was settled, is rearing it's ugly head again as they have failed to abide by the terms of agreement. I just don't know what we have to do to get some change in the schools. The charter schools have shown remarkable progress by using common sense modalities and aggressive mediation in kids that are failing. It can be done right-when someone will come in and make them do it right, I don't know.

We are having a hard time right now. DD is having a bad period with daily meltdowns and problems at school. Academically she is great but socially is getting worse...I really hope the summer gives her a break. I have found an inclusive school here to put her in for the summer. They specialize in all disabilities so it will be a good place for dd I hope. She can be in whichever class suits her level of functioning so for a bad day she can go into the more structured class with more teachers and less kids. It is expensive but I think they have the level of expertise that is needed. Our days of putting her in typical developing classes with a side note of "she has AS" are over-she's just not at a level of being able to function with same aged peers. Her aggression is peaking again and she's had some violent episodes. Why does it seem like every May we go downhill? Is it the end of school? Is it some developmental thing? We are back to using Behavior Incentives just to get dd to dress herself. :sad2:

I am hoping things even out a bit before our WDW trip in 40 days. We are taking my nephew so I hope they can get along.

Hope all is well with everyone. C&G'smama, you give that school hell! Why do they hire these Autism "Specialists" with only a "textbook" understanding of AS?
 
GraceluvsWDW

By May most of our kids are "burnt out" so hopefully summer will recharge her.

I am interested in what the district is not complying with (PM me if you want).

We are counting down the days to summer and WDW (60 days)

bookwormde
 
The charter schools have shown remarkable progress by using common sense modalities and aggressive mediation in kids that are failing. It can be done right-when someone will come in and make them do it right, I don't know.

Hope all is well with everyone. C&G'smama, you give that school hell! Why do they hire these Autism "Specialists" with only a "textbook" understanding of AS?

Hi all. The charter schools can be a great place as they can try non-traditional methods of teaching. But believe me it is far from perfect. They must still hold to the state standards (NYS here) and will be closed down if they do not meet their goals for low academic performing students. Plus that is what they receive money from the government for - to bring those students up to grade level. Hence, quite a bit is focused towards those students.

They have to accept our children with IEPs and 504s but the services are supplied by the district the school is in and here it is a very, very, poor district known for only doing the absolute minimum. 17% of the students in our district are classified compared to 8-10% nationally so they try to eek out the minimum.

NYS has mandated a 3 hour training on autism for all teachers applying for jobs in NYS. Which is a basic step in the right direction but still falls far short. As for the "Specialists" they are required by NYS for each district to supply is limited in actual specialists and they fill in with people who have taken the basic training where they need to.

As C&G's Mama said we are learning. Each and every day is a new adventure. We just got our results from his triennial review and they were astonished at how different the teacher and we scored him on most things regarding executive functioning and social behavior. Really? He holds it together for school and then we mop up after wards. From what we gather this is typical of our children. Especially when he is convinced as he tells us that the teacher is going to kill him and the children hate him. UGH!
 
As C&G's Mama said we are learning. Each and every day is a new adventure. We just got our results from his triennial review and they were astonished at how different the teacher and we scored him on most things regarding executive functioning and social behavior. Really? He holds it together for school and then we mop up after wards. From what we gather this is typical of our children. Especially when he is convinced as he tells us that the teacher is going to kill him and the children hate him. UGH!

It's because we're over emotional parents and we don't know anything. (Never mind the Doctors' diagnosis)

I've given up. I go to meetings and smile and nod. I just don't care what "they" say anymore.
 
It's because we're over emotional parents and we don't know anything. (Never mind the Doctors' diagnosis)

I've given up. I go to meetings and smile and nod. I just don't care what "they" say anymore.

DD has speech on Mon & Tues right after school and OT on Mondays right after Speech and Counseling on Thursdays after school. Without really meaning to, this was set up kinda perfect because these 3 therapists see dd at her WORST. The poor, cute SLT finally said something to me about how dd is SO the textbook type that holds it together until after school. She used to see dd in the mornings before school and she remarked at the EXTREME difference between those sessions and the ones now.

Dealing with the schools will make you feel like you're crazy after a while. Really. Their punishment should be having to spend their afternoons with all these children with the "over emotional parents". Then I want to see their results. :laughing:
 
I haven't posted in a very long time but I need to agree with the comment about the schools making me crazy! DD isn't diagnosed on the spectrum but has sensory issues and major anxiety. The beginning of the year she held it together all day and fell apart at home. Starting at State testing time she started falling apart at school and has yet to pull it all back together. The school staff are shocked and can't understand why she was "fine" before and why she is being "defiant" now :mad:

The school makes me crazy! DD's new counselor actually asked DH and me if we would consider selling our house and moving to another town because ours has such a bad reputation for dealing with kids with special needs. :sad2:

Good luck everyone! Summer is almost here!
 
Research Uncovers Raised Rate of Autism
By CLAUDIA WALLIS
Published: May 9, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/health/research/09autism.html?_r=1

An ambitious six-year effort to gauge the rate of childhood autism in a middle-class South Korean city has yielded a figure that stunned experts and is likely to influence the way the disorder’s prevalence is measured around the world, scientists reported on Monday.

The figure, 2.6 percent of all children aged 7 to 12 in the Ilsan district of the city of Goyang, is more than twice the rate usually reported in the developed world. Even that rate, about 1 percent, has been climbing rapidly in recent years — from 0.6 percent in the United States in 2007, for example.

But experts said the findings did not mean that the actual numbers of children with autism were rising, simply that the study was more comprehensive than previous ones.

“This is a very impressive study,” said Lisa Croen, director of the autism research program at Kaiser-Permanente Northern California, who was not connected with the new report. “They did a careful job and in a part of the world where autism has not been well documented in the past.”

For the study, which is being published in The American Journal of Psychiatry, researchers from the Yale Child Study Center, George Washington University and other leading institutions sought to screen every child aged 7 to 12 in Ilsan, a community of 488,590, about the size of Staten Island.

By contrast, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in the United States and most other research groups measure autism prevalence by examining and verifying records of existing cases kept by health care and special education agencies. That approach may leave out many children whose parents and schools have never sought a diagnosis.

In recent years scientists have come to see autism as a spectrum of disorders that can include profound social disconnection and mental retardation, but also milder forms, like Asperger’s syndrome, that are pervasive and potentially disabling but that often go undiagnosed.

“From the get-go we had the feeling that we would find a higher prevalence than other studies because we were looking at an understudied population: children in regular schools,” said the lead researcher, Dr. Young-Shin Kim, a child psychiatrist and epidemiologist at the Yale Child Study Center.

South Korea was chosen not only because autism prevalence had not been measured there, but also because its national health care system, universal education and homogeneous population made it a promising region for a planned series of studies that will also look at genetic and environmental factors in autism.

The study, which was largely financed by the research and advocacy group Autism Speaks, raises the question of whether a similarly high prevalence would be found in the United States if all children were screened.

Dr. Marshalyn Yeargin-Allsopp, chief of developmental disabilities at the National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities of the C.D.C., acknowledged that her agency’s records-based approach probably missed some autistic children — especially among the poor, among racial minorities and “potentially among girls” — and said the agency was interested in taking part in a population-based approach like the Korean study.

“We believe this will be a way to get as complete an estimate of A.S.D. prevalence as possible,” she said in an e-mail, using the abbreviation for autism spectrum disorder.

Most cases of autism spectrum disorder in the Korean study, the researchers said, turned up among children in regular schools who had no record of receiving special education or mental health services. A third were found among a “high-probability group” of 294 children who were attending special-education schools or were listed on a registry of disabled children.

The children in that high-probability group were similar in many ways to children with autism in the United States and elsewhere. Fifty-nine percent were intellectually disabled, or mentally retarded; more than two-thirds had full-blown autism, as opposed to milder forms like Asperger’s; and boys outnumbered girls five to one.

Among the children with autism spectrum disorder in regular schools, only 16 percent were intellectually disabled, more than two-thirds had a milder form of autism, and the ratio of boys to girls was unusually low: 2.5 to 1.
In addition, 12 percent of these children had a superior I.Q. — a higher proportion than found in the general population.
Researchers used a two-step process to identify autism among ordinary schoolchildren: parents and teachers completed a 27-item questionnaire on each child, and children who scored in the autistic range on that questionnaire were individually evaluated.

“If we had only looked at the high-probability group, we would have come up with about 0.7 percent, which is in line with C.D.C. statistics for the U.S.,” said the study’s senior author, Roy Richard Grinker, a professor of anthropology and international affairs at George Washington University.

The surprisingly large proportion of cases uncovered in ordinary schools, he noted, may in part reflect the low level of awareness and high degree of stigma attached to autism in South Korea. In addition, children with autism spectrum disorders may stand out less in South Korean schools, which follow highly structured and predictable routines and emphasize rote learning.

Other experts said that more “population based” studies, though costly, could help determine how broadly the Korean findings could be generalized to other societies.

Craig J. Newschaffer, chairman of epidemiology and biostatistics at the Drexel School of Public Health in Philadelphia, praised the new report, calling it “quite a strong study,” but he added that the results were based on information about 63 percent of the schoolchildren, a good response rate but not ideal.

“It is just one area of Korea,” he said, “and we know that there’s random variation in how diseases are distributed.”
 

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