Poor Sportsmanship in the NFL

[bcla]

First off, we have to determine if the police are under a contract before we can say they are well within their rights. If they aren't under contract and provide security "only if and when they want" then they are most certainly within their rights to silently protest.

I doubt that there is any contract that could require on-duty officers to work inside a private event. However, once they're working an event, they are subject to department standards for behavior.

I agree that they're being doofuses for refusing to work an event based on one person. Police work events that are far worse in terms of insult. What do they think when providing security for something like a Westboro Baptist Church rally or a white supremacist rally? They work those events to prevent bad things from happening, despite what they think about the message.

 

[usd2bmd]

I think he has a right to not stand, but if he truly believes what he says, he should donate his millions to those who are oppressed.

He actually has donated.

 

[bcla]

He actually has donated.

Along with his time.

 

[Unas]

Who brought African slaves to the "New World" and then resold them?
And hey, this whole thread started because some folks got their knickers in a twist because some guy protested recent events by not standing for some 200 year old tune. So yeah in some issue, issues of pride and issues that were painful and dehumanizing, the passage of time doesn't change things.

If someone tries to put me down because the shade of my skin, I just assume they are a jerk. And if they ever tried to explain away their poor behavior (in the year 2016) by blaming it on European slave holders, I would assume they were a massive jerk.

OK, however jerkiness doesn't alter the origins of the biases around differing appearances - skin and hair among the differences that seem to matter to some.
But I was questioning a pp's assertion that Europeans were not responsible for bringing slaves to what became the USA.

 

[usd2bmd]

I don't understand everyone saying that it's laughable because he has money. One doesn't have anything to do with the other. Him taking a stand has more of an impact becasue he has more visibility. If someone with no money took a stand, nobody would even notice because they don't have the exposure of an NFL player. Nobody knows what he does in his off time and how much of his money is donated to helping the causes he supports.

 

[declansdad]

Police are just running around killing people everyday and have less training and education than a cosmologist... you would think Kap and the crowd should be happy if the police aren't there.

What a load of crap!

Santa Clara Police Association's letter to 49ers, York

The Santa Clara Police Officers' Association on Friday issued a letter to 49ers owner Jed York with the intent of addressing the current situation regarding Colin Kaepernick's protest of the National Anthem.

The letter, obtained by NBC Bay Area, is in full below.

Mr.Jed York

San Francisco 49ers

4949 Marie P. DeBartolo Way Santa Clara, CA 95054

September 2, 2016

Mr. York,

The members of the Santa Clara Police Officers' Association {SCPOA) have a long history of working with the San Francisco 49ers organization. This relationship was greatly expanded with the construction of Levi's stadium. Our officers and 49er employees have worked incredibly well together to create a safe and enjoyable environment for guests and employees. This partnership has made Levi's stadium the premier sports venue in the world as evident in the extremely successful Super Bowl 50 operation.

Unfortunately, some recent actions by a 49ers employee have threatened our harmonious working relationship. On August 26, 2016, prior to the start of the 49er pre-season football game at Levi's stadium, on duty 49er employee Colin Kaepernick made the decision to exercise his right of free expression and not stand to honor the National Anthem. This expression caught the attention of the media. Following the game, your employee explained to the media that his actions were an attempt to get public attention to the oppression of African Americans and minorities in the United States by police officers. Your employee then insinuated that police officers are being placed on paid leave for murdering minorities. This statement is obviously insulting, inaccurate and completely unsupported by any facts.

On August 28, 2016, at 49er training facility in Santa Clara, Mr. Kaepernick again made the allegation that police officers are getting paid to murder people. Your employee further insulted all law enforcement officers in America by stating, "There is police brutality. People of color have been targeted by police." Mr. Kaepernick then made inaccurate and untrue statements about the level of training that is required to be a police officer.

On August 31,2016, it was learned by the members of the SCPOA that the 49er organization has been allowing Mr. Kaepernick to wear exposed socks with the image of a pig wearing a police hat during practices at the training camp in Santa Clara . Photos of Mr. Kaepernick wearing these socks with the derogatory image have been broadcast nationally.

Our membership acknowledges that police officers are human and are not perfect. However, blanket statements that police officers in general, murder minorities is completely false and insulting to the dedicated men and women in law enforcement agencies across America.

These intentional acts and inflammatory statements by Mr. Kaepernick are insulting to the members of the SCPOA . It is apparent, that the 49ers organization is aware of Mr. Kaepernick's actions. These actions have occurred while Mr. Kaepernick was acting as an employee of the 49ers and at 49er facilities in Santa Clara. The 49ers organization has taken no action to stop or prevent Mr. Kaepernick from continuing to make inaccurate, incorrect and inflammatory statements against police officers, which include members of the Santa Clara Police Officers Association.

Furthermore, your organization has made no statement disagreeing with Mr. Kaepernick's accusations. It is the unanimous opinion of the SCPOA that the 49ers organization has failed to address your employee's inappropriate workplace behavior. The board of directors of the Santa Clara Police Officers Association has a duty to protect its members and work to make all of their working environments free of harassing behavior.

SCPOA members have worked thousands of hours at Levi's stadium, 49er training camp and headquarters protecting guests, players and fellow employees. Our officers voluntarily agree to work these assignments. If the 49ers organization fails to take action to stop this type of inappropriate workplace behavior, it could result in police officers choosing not to work at your facilities. Please contact us as soon as possible with the corrective actions your organization intends on implementing.

The men and women of the Santa Clara Police Officers Association are sworn to protect the rights of ALL people in the United States, a duty we take very seriously. Our members, however, have the right to do their job in an environment free of unjustified and insulting attacks from employees of your organization.

SCPOA Board of Directors

Cc: Rajeev Batra Chief Mike Sellers

http://www.csnbayarea.com/49ers/santa-clara-police-associations-letter-49ers-york

It would seem that the police association has a contract with the 49ers. The individual officers may have the right to refuse to work the games but the contract holder would still need to fulfill its contractual obligations.

 

[JoeA]

What a load of crap!



It would seem that the police association has a contract with the 49ers. The individual officers may have the right to refuse to work the games but the contract holder would still need to fulfill its contractual obligations.

What part of my post is crap?

 

[declansdad]

What part of my post is crap?

all of it.

 

[JoeA]

all of it.

The part about training was DIRECTLY from Kapernick. You knew he said that didn't you? Those were his words. Guess ol' Kap and I are both full of crap, no?

So if cops are shooting left and right and have less training than a person holding a curling iron... why would you care if they're at the stadium?

 

[bcla]

It would seem that the police association has a contract with the 49ers. The individual officers may have the right to refuse to work the games but the contract holder would still need to fulfill its contractual obligations.

The police union wouldn't have a contract with the 49ers. The city does. They need something like 150 officers to handle a typical gameday. That's about the number of sworn officers in the Santa Clara Police Department, including detectives and the chain of command. Obviously they go to outside officers for the bulk of their needs, even without the police union claiming that much of their membership will refuse the assignment while Kaepernick is there.

Here's the job listing for the temporary help. I'm guessing that some agencies are directly working with the Santa Clara Police Department (especially the Santa Clara County Sheriff) but it sounds like individual officers could work directly with the city of Santa Clara if they have the permission of their primary employer.

https://nextdoor.com/agency-post/ca...-diem-police-officer-special-events-28358623/
NOW HIRING - Per Diem Police Officer Special Events

The Santa Clara Police Department is actively seeking seasoned law enforcement professionals with an interest in part-time employment to apply as a Per Diem Police Officer for Special Events for assignments at Levi's Stadium. Effective July 1, 2016, the hourly wage for this classification has been increased to $65 per hour.
Individuals currently employed as a part-time or full-time Peace Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency, working as a Level I Reserve Police Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency or retired as a full-time Peace Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency may be eligible to apply. All applicants are required to obtain authorization from their home agency Chief of Police / Sheriff authorizing them to work on a Per Diem basis for the City of Santa Clara. http://agency.governmentjobs.com/cityofs...
Employment applications are available online and can be submitted electronically or in person at the Human Resources Department:
City of Santa Clara
Human Resources Department
1500 Warburton Avenue (West Wing, Lower Level)
Santa Clara, CA 95050
(408)615-2080

Applications are accepted on a continuous basis for Per Diem Police Officer Special Events (as-needed).​

 

[declansdad]

The part about training was DIRECTLY from Kapernick. You knew he said that didn't you? Those were his words. Guess ol' Kap and I are both full of crap, no?

So if cops are shooting left and right and have less training than a person holding a curling iron... why would you care if they're at the stadium?

Didn't know it was a quote from him, that way it was posted seems like it was a statement made by you. If not, the way it's posted and your follow up makes it read like you agree. And it is still a load of crap.

 

[declansdad]

The police union wouldn't have a contract with the 49ers. The city does. They need something like 150 officers to handle a typical gameday. That's about the number of sworn officers in the Santa Clara Police Department, including detectives and the chain of command. Obviously they go to outside officers for the bulk of their needs, even without the police union claiming that much of their membership will refuse the assignment while Kaepernick is there.

Here's the job listing for the temporary help. I'm guessing that some agencies are directly working with the Santa Clara Police Department (especially the Santa Clara County Sheriff) but it sounds like individual officers could work directly with the city of Santa Clara if they have the permission of their primary employer.

https://nextdoor.com/agency-post/ca...-diem-police-officer-special-events-28358623/
NOW HIRING - Per Diem Police Officer Special Events

The Santa Clara Police Department is actively seeking seasoned law enforcement professionals with an interest in part-time employment to apply as a Per Diem Police Officer for Special Events for assignments at Levi's Stadium. Effective July 1, 2016, the hourly wage for this classification has been increased to $65 per hour.
Individuals currently employed as a part-time or full-time Peace Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency, working as a Level I Reserve Police Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency or retired as a full-time Peace Officer with a California Law Enforcement Agency may be eligible to apply. All applicants are required to obtain authorization from their home agency Chief of Police / Sheriff authorizing them to work on a Per Diem basis for the City of Santa Clara. http://agency.governmentjobs.com/cityofs...
Employment applications are available online and can be submitted electronically or in person at the Human Resources Department:
City of Santa Clara
Human Resources Department
1500 Warburton Avenue (West Wing, Lower Level)
Santa Clara, CA 95050
(408)615-2080

Applications are accepted on a continuous basis for Per Diem Police Officer Special Events (as-needed).​

The wording in the letter makes it seem the contract is with the police association not the City. If the contract is with the City, the union has no standing and the 49ers have no need to contact them to discuss corrective action.

 

[tinatark]

Police are just running around killing people everyday and have less training and education than a cosmologist... you would think Kap and the crowd should be happy if the police aren't there.

(Its not just the sitting that is creating the threat of boycott - its the socks, the things he says during interviews. The whole package.)

Police officers, the VAST majority - are doing their jobs when they "kill people" - they're stopping crime and keeping citizens safe from the criminal element.

Absolutely officers would have less education than a cosmologist! Police officers typically have academy training as well as an AA, Cosmologists have at minimum a degree in physics/science/astronomy, and more likely a Ph. D. I would argue that police officers have more training, though.

 

[bcla]

The wording in the letter makes it seem the contract is with the police association not the City. If the contract is with the City, the union has no standing and the 49ers have no need to contact them to discuss corrective action.

I read the letter. It only says that the union's members have worked the stadium jobs. It would frankly be ludicrous for a police union to be contracted for off-duty police services like it's some union hall hiring process. I don't think the union is saying they have any particular standing, but that their membership might not participate in stadium duties for 49ers games. However, there's no particular limitation that only their members can do this duty. It's pretty common for stadiums/arenas in smaller cities to receive uniformed police from multiple agencies. The new stadium in the LA area is going to be in city with maybe the same size police force as Santa Clara. They're definitely going to need help.

There have been a lot of statements made by police unions and departments that don't generally deal with the 49ers. The San Francisco POA asked for an apology. Their members worked with the 49ers when they used to play in San Francisco and probably provide some security for the 49ers when they visit San Francisco for certain events. The Alameda County Sheriff has been a little more conciliatory, offering a chance for Kaepernick to visit their academy and witness a use of force training exercise. I don't know exactly what they're trying to accomplish with their statements.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Police officers, the VAST majority - are doing their jobs when they "kill people" - they're stopping crime and keeping citizens safe from the criminal element.

Absolutely officers would have less education than a cosmologist! Police officers typically have academy training as well as an AA, Cosmologists have at minimum a degree in physics/science/astronomy, and more likely a Ph. D. I would argue that police officers have more training, though.

Cosmetology, not cosmology. Somewhere there must've been a typo.

"You have people who practice law, lawyers, who go to school for eight years, but you can be a cop in six months," Kaepernick said. "You don't have to do the same amount of training as a cosmetologist. I mean, someone with a curling iron has more education and training than people who have a gun. That's insane."

According to Kelly, an officer for the Sheriff's Office puts in 2,000 hours of training over about 11 months before ever hitting the streets. A cosmetology license generally takes about 1,600 hours to obtain. The two careers should not be compared, Kelly said.

"He's assuming that we're taking these people out of society that have no life experience, no education, no military training, nothing, and that six months later we're handing them a gun and putting them on the street to go out and kill people," Kelly said. "There's so much more to it."

http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area...ts-open-invite-attend-alameda-county-sheriffs