just curious dont want this to get out of control bathroom use

[disneychrista]

I think the issue isn't with trans people at all. A true transgender person will do their business and leave the bathroom. I think the real issue is that there are instances of non-trans people doing shady things in women's restrooms and then claiming to be trans. I've seen several news stories about it in various locations. I think the Bucees style bathrooms in public would be perfect. You basically have your own "room" to do your business, but they still fit a ton of them into the bathroom. So they are single use, but there are multiple of them. This protects everyone, including trans people who could end up being the victim of someone trying to do something nefarious.

A predator isn’t going to care. If some one wants to do something nefarious they will.

 

[tvguy]

Schools are not swimming in money. Schools are funded per pupil so if enrollment has declined, so has funding.

If a school once had 1000 student's they were funded for 1000 students. If that same school now only has 800 students, it is only funded for 800 students. However, the school still has to pay for the utilities for the school that once held 1000 students but only with the funds for 800 students.

The increase in operational costs alone with decreased funding takes money from actual classroom instruction.

The bonds are not per student. So yes, HERE, schools are swimming in money.

 

[ramee]

I would assume there's a key at the manager station.

There are places that have complete enclosures that manage to keep them clean. Buckees is one. Yes, you might have to work a little harder, but it's doable.

What crime are you worried about? And if a "romantic encounter" happens with the chance of anyone coming in...?

Sorry, I don't get the concern.

Yeah. I didn’t feel like imagining specific crimes but if you have access to a private room that could be locked, I’m sure things other than using the toilet could happen that I’d rather not go in behind on.

If they can get in and lock the door, why wouldn't they be able to unlock it? These are usually simple turn latches.

And maybe the kid is stubborn and you need to get to them asap before trying to locate a manager for a key.

Just ponderings that could be nothing more than an inconvenience. Wasn’t trying to be too nefarious.

 

[anniemae]

I flew through BWI yesterday and saw that they are re-doing the bathrooms. Yes, they are still separated by gender, but in the women's room the stalls weren't stalls. They had walls from the floor to the ceiling, and actual doors. I think this is so overdue! I don't know how American bathrooms came about, but they are definitely stalls, and all those cracks around the door? Anybody who tries can see into the stall. How many times have you looked under the door to see if there was anyone in the stall? Sure, you don't stick your whole head under there... but you could, or you could look through the cracks (I see kids do this all the time). I think that if there were more privacy with the way bathroom "stalls" were constructed, it'd go a long way to calming people's fears about sharing the bathroom.

So true! It's like special treat when you are in a restroom with an actual door that goes from floor to ceiling. I also think all restrooms should be like this. I was just in Walmart and had to use the standard flimsy metal stall with big gaps, and a lock that was broken.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

I do not care who is using the bathroom, I just want stall doors that don't have gaps on the side and for people to keep their kids from crawling under the door.

Actually, maybe all-use bathrooms would be better overall. No longer lines at the women's restroom at events, baby changing tables available in every bathroom (so dads can change diapers too), less debate on what bathroom dads should take their three-year-old girl to use.

Just the thought a child crawling around on a public bathroom floor skeeves me out. I don't like to go barefoot in the pool bathrooms, yuck.

Yes, public bathrooms should have baby changing table in both the men's room and the ladies' room and if the bathroom is for all genders they should have too.

The last part is a good point, all gender bathrooms would end the debate of a dad as well as a mom having to take his daughter, her son to the bathroom.

 

[Kestryl]

Just the thought a child crawling around on a public bathroom floor skeeves me out. I don't like to go barefoot in the pool bathrooms, yuck.

Yes, public bathrooms should have baby changing table in both the men's room and the ladies' room and if the bathroom is for all genders they should have too.

The last part is a good point, all gender bathrooms would end the debate of a dad as well as a mom having to take his daughter, her son to the bathroom.

On the crawling kids: DUDE, I KNOW. And this has happened to me MULTIPLE times. Like, I try to not judge parents, things happen, but SERIOUSLY?! This isn't good for any of us!

 

[EACarlson]

Our metro area just got a new airport this year, there are the usual men's/women's restrooms and non-gendered restrooms. I've been in both, it's really a non-issue, as long as you don't mind washing your hands next to a...gasp...member of the opposite gender

When I think about it, I wonder how we even got to the idea of separate restrooms--another era I suppose. FWIW--the stalls in the non-gendered restrooms have the European style stalls, there's almost no space at the bottom of partitions.

We like to say for anyone who finds the airport restrooms problematic, wait till you get on the plane!

KC? I flew through there in July. The only issue I had and the only issue I do have with those restrooms is that there are no urinals. I've just spent three hours on a plane, have a backpack on, it's so much easier to just use a urinal than sit on a toilet to pee. I'd imagine the toilet stays cleaner without men trying to stand and aim while having the backpack on too.

The stalls in my high school didn't have doors at all. At least not in the men's rooms. I was told that some of the women's did.

As long as the gaps are closed, I don't care. But we all know that there are some people that will do anything to invade the privacy of another, let's not make it easier.

We had a situation in one of the high schools in my state where an 18 year old biological male declared at the start of the school year they were transitioning. They then used that to sit in a locker room and watch 14 year old girls shower after gym class. The ideas around instant acceptance are great, but there are always going to be those that use that for their own nefarious intentions.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I flew through BWI yesterday and saw that they are re-doing the bathrooms. Yes, they are still separated by gender, but in the women's room the stalls weren't stalls. They had walls from the floor to the ceiling, and actual doors. I think this is so overdue! I don't know how American bathrooms came about, but they are definitely stalls, and all those cracks around the door? Anybody who tries can see into the stall. How many times have you looked under the door to see if there was anyone in the stall? Sure, you don't stick your whole head under there... but you could, or you could look through the cracks (I see kids do this all the time). I think that if there were more privacy with the way bathroom "stalls" were constructed, it'd go a long way to calming people's fears about sharing the bathroom.

Last month we had to spend the night in that airport when we didn’t make our connecting flight (because the first plane was late leaving ). Anyway, I really loved those bathrooms “stalls” and remember thinking that if everywhere had bathrooms like these, I doubt there’d be much of a problem. The only thing better would’ve been having a sink in there, too, as I had to brush my teeth and wash my face out at the public sink. But boy, were they nice!









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[sam_gordon]

On a lighter note, a U.K. school has just announced to parents that if their child identifies as a cat, the school will not be providing them with litter trays! Tabloid news.

There was an identical story going around about a school in the US. Turned out it was 100% false!

 

[john7994]

Last month we had to spend the night in that airport when we didn’t make our connecting flight (because the first plane was late leaving ). Anyway, I really loved those bathrooms “stalls” and remember thinking that if everywhere had bathrooms like these, I doubt there’d be much of a problem. The only thing better would’ve been having a sink in there, too, as I had to brush my teeth and wash my face out at the public sink. But boy, were they nice!

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Public teeth brushing is a major ewww for me

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Public teeth brushing is a major ewww for me

I’ll take my chances with teeth brushing over hand washing when you think what’s on those.

 

[dioxide45]

I’m a woman, mirrors need to be in common areas, some women spend a lot of time in front of the sinks.

Good points. For outdoor bathrooms, I think shared sinks is easier. Places like Disney could have the stalls as individual closed rooms, but then put the sinks so they are mostly open to the outdoors but still undercover. People walk past the sinks to get to the rooms. Som rooms could also be standup only (urinals).

 

[sam_gordon]

Som rooms could also be standup only (urinals).

Why? Then only a portion of the public could use them (without contorting as I understand).

 

[dioxide45]

Why? Then only a portion of the public could use them (without contorting as I understand).

I mean, they could put a urinal in the individual room but this expands the size of the rooms considerably and reduces the number of stalls/rooms. Unless you want your face beside a urinal, these are better placed elsewhere. Perhaps behind a back wall?. Urinals are much faster and cleaner for men to use. Urinals also take up much less space. Do you really want to sit down on pee before using the toilet? You also have the issue of the toilet seat being up a lot.

 

[john7994]

I’ll take my chances with teeth brushing over hand washing when you think what’s on those.

Now I am thinking about teeth brushing splash on the sink fixtures ...

 

[lifesavacation]

This seems like such a non-issue to me.

As someone from Oregon, what is an issue to me is the trace amounts of opioids that can be found in our public restrooms. Talk about a safety issue. I'm not so sure that making the doors floor to ceiling without gaps is a good solution to gender bathroom concern in some of the cities with drug problems.

 

[sam_gordon]

This seems like such a non-issue to me.

As someone from Oregon, what is an issue to me is the trace amounts of opioids that can be found in our public restrooms. Talk about a safety issue. I'm not so sure that making the doors floor to ceiling without gaps is a good solution to gender bathroom concern in some of the cities with drug problems.

How/why does the presence of a gap prevent someone from using drugs inside?

 

[tzolkin]

If you’re in your stall, and they’re in theirs, how would you even know?

This is what I never understand about these arguments. It seems to me that many who are opposed must not actually know any trans people. There are countless people that you would have absolutely no possible way of knowing based on their appearance.

All this has done is cause more issues for everyone because now people are trying to look super closely at every person who goes into the restroom trying to ascertain whether they are "really" a woman or not. There are loads of women who were born female who don't meet every societal expectation of feminine who now are scrutinized and confronted because they are using the women's restroom.

I’m not sure why her daughter was upset with her... At a bare minimum a woman should have the right choose, without ridicule, to silently decline following three men in to a women’s restroom if she feels uncomfortable doing so.

We, of course, cannot know for sure, but I highly doubt OP just silently chose to wait to use the restroom. Most people would not describe that as an "incident" and be looking for validation about what "happened to me" if they simply waited casually for the restroom. Also, I know OP is making some attempts to be sensitive in their wording now, but this "incident" happened several years ago when it was much more socially acceptable to make comments when seeing "guys dressed as women" in public. If the daughter was the manager and her mother was making a scene at her work or making paying customers feel uncomfortable, I think she would be justified in being upset with her. If mom simply waited a few minutes and then went into the restroom herself, daughter likely would not have even noticed.

I don't get it. At all. I've spent my entire life using the men's room if the ladies' room line is long. I've lived in coed dorms with gender neutral hall bathrooms.

This has been my experience as well. One of the dorms where I lived in college even had the old school locker kind of showers with one drain in the middle of the room. No one ever tried to peek in your shower curtain, no one tried to assault anyone in the toilet stalls or at the sinks. If drunk college guys can act appropriately in the shared showers, I have absolutely no concern with having trans women in the restroom with me.

(To be clear, I do realize that assaults do happen and it's certainly something that I have worried about using public restrooms throughout my life. But my concern/fear has been about straight men hiding, not LGBT+ people just trying to use a safe bathroom.)

 

[CdnCarrie]

(To be clear, I do realize that assaults do happen and it's certainly something that I have worried about using public restrooms throughout my life. But my concern/fear has been about straight men hiding, not LGBT+ people just trying to use a safe bathroom.)

Really? As a 50 year old woman I have never once worried about that. Is this about traveling?

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Now I am thinking about teeth brushing splash on the sink fixtures ...

I hear you! But there could be anything on those sink fixtures! Best not to touch them at all if you can help it, or make sure to wash pretty good afterward if you do! (Then turn off with a paper towel unless they’re auto shut-off.)

I once was in a public restroom when I saw a cleaner take the toilet brush from the toilet he was cleaning and go right over to the sink and wash the sink fixtures with the same brush he just cleaned the toilet with!