Kudos to the Little Blonde Girl

[twinklebug]

I look as healthy as the next person, but I have circulation issues where I've passed out a number of times when standing on a bus or train for more than a couple minutes and am confined. This last trip to disney it came close on one long trip back to the hotel (I figured I could make it, doh!) and after that I swore to sit from that point on. I do not expect anyone to give up their seat for me regardless of their age or apparent health. It's their right to sit as much as the next person's.

If I might have to stand, then I'll stand back at my turn to enter the bus and wait for the next bus to get a seat. Yes, it may very well be a long wait but I'm on vacation. I had the choice to rent a car but choose instead to let the bus drivers do their job and shuttle me and my family around so I don't have to deal with the traffic. I love taking it slow in Disney (not too slow LOL) it gives me a chance to meet real people and take in the sounds.

What bothers me is when I see someone who clearly needs a seat attempting to stand the trip out and know I can't give my seat up for fear of what may happen (I do give my seat up if I only have another minute or two to go). However, I have raised my kids to be considerate of others and to offer their seat to someone in need.

 

[genius118899]

Phew, I at least know I got a second date with you!

What about pulling out your chair for you? Hope you won't deduct points from me.. as I don't think I could pull myself to do that! It seems too Hollywoodish for me.. unless I know the girl loves to be treated with special accommodations

Haha, I don't need the chair pulled out for me, though one or two guys I've dated have done that. I used to teach a Junior Cotillion class where we taught boys to do that- I seriously doubt any of them have done it in real life.

To the other person who responded to my post, sure, a guy may not hold a door open and still have great values, etc. However, his values obviously don't line up with mine, so we just wouldn't work. And no, if a guy's a complete jerk but holds the door open, he's not gonna get a second date. That's just my main make-it-or-break-it thing.

 

[madxhatter]

I try to offer my seat to anyone standing (who looks like they need some help or are struggling), but sometimes I don't offer because I need the seat just as much as they do. I hate that sometimes people look at me like I should offer my seat because I look like a healthy young women, when in reality I have several medical conditions that are not outwardly obvious.

I think it is nice and respectful to offer your seat to someone else if you don't need it or if you can go without it, but I don't think everyone has to offer up a seat just because someone else is standing (sometimes there are circumstances we cannot be aware of, so it's unfair to say everyone should do a certain thing).

We all do what we can, so I try not to judge either way.

Agreed =)

If I am feeling up to standing, then i will offer a seat, but I hate when elderly people or those with kids they are holding give me dirty looks because i wont offer a seat (not just buses but say waiting in a restaurant lobby for a table).

I look perfectly healthy at 27, but you cant see fibromyalgia or cfs. I would never give dirty looks to get a seat because you never know whats going on inside someone.

 

[disneyfav4ever]

I agree that that was very nice of the girl, but I don't agree that anyone should have to give up their seat. If they want to then yes, that is very nice of them. If someone doesn't want to stand, perhaps they should wait for the next bus.

 

[drag n' fly]

Anyone should be prepared to give up their seat regardless of age or sex to someone in need. If that person in need refuses then at least I took the high road and offered.

 

[delmar411]

I can see both sides of this issue but at the end of the day with the bus system so messed up right now it isnt' as easy as saying wait for another bus. Why should a family have to wait an hour for another bus when everyone can just take their little kids onto their laps, actually move all the way to the back of the bus and make room and those with small children in their arms (asleep or not) being given a seat.

It's not a lot to ask or expect from people. I raise my kids to think about other ppl than themselves and I've had several kudos moments for my own DD's behavior on the buses. I'm VERY proud that she thought of others and did the right thing even though it's not the PC thing to do anymore.

Being tired doesn't excuse us from basic polite behaviors.

(and for the record I've never encountered anyone who was upset that they were offered a seat even if they refuse to take it. I've gotten nothing but positive reactions IRL)

 

[SLK1]

This isn't about who does or doesn't deserve a seat, it's not about equality...it's really about the decay of our society where we all feel we have to look out for #1 and to heck with everyone else. Please teach your children to be kind to others - hold doors open, give up a seat, let someone else go in front of you - this applies to girls AND boys. Just some common courtesy and politeness could go such a long way. Even if I were tired and my legs hurt, there is absolutely NO WAY I, a 39-year-old woman, could allow an elderly person, or a pregnant woman, or a parent holding a child stand in front of me. I would feel completely ashamed. Many times, my offer would be refused, but it should still be made.

 

[genius118899]

This isn't about who does or doesn't deserve a seat, it's not about equality...it's really about the decay of our society where we all feel we have to look out for #1 and to heck with everyone else. Please teach your children to be kind to others - hold doors open, give up a seat, let someone else go in front of you - this applies to girls AND boys. Just some common courtesy and politeness could go such a long way. Even if I were tired and my legs hurt, there is absolutely NO WAY I, a 39-year-old woman, could allow an elderly person, or a pregnant woman, or a parent holding a child stand in front of me. I would feel completely ashamed. Many times, my offer would be refused, but it should still be made.

Agreed!!!!!

 

[Big Vic]

This isn't about who does or doesn't deserve a seat, it's not about equality...it's really about the decay of our society where we all feel we have to look out for #1 and to heck with everyone else. Please teach your children to be kind to others - hold doors open, give up a seat, let someone else go in front of you - this applies to girls AND boys. Just some common courtesy and politeness could go such a long way. Even if I were tired and my legs hurt, there is absolutely NO WAY I, a 39-year-old woman, could allow an elderly person, or a pregnant woman, or a parent holding a child stand in front of me. I would feel completely ashamed. Many times, my offer would be refused, but it should still be made.

Well said.

 

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

How about if men also leave a bus if it's too crowded? After all, that's what a gentleman would do, correct? Perhaps if I did this, I'd still be enjoying the wonders of a WDW bus stop - a perpetual visitor stuck in line.

Now, just to be clear, even if I've waited in line for two or three turns at a bus stop, finally get on and have a chance to sit (even though I've had to stand for the last few times on a bus) I should automatically offer my seat to a last minute "run up" to a bus or any other random person? I, as a man who is a gentleman in many instances in life (holding doors, saying please and thank you, smiling and thanking those I encounter in life) do not have the right to sit and relax when I've also walked the parks for eight+ hours?

Even though no one ever offered to do this for my wife or children, on countless buses, perhaps if I start doing so a huge wave of "positiveness" will sweep across WDW and my wife will be offered a seat? Perhaps someone on our bus will notice my wife limping after falling at the MK and having a huge cut and bandages on her knee, and offer up their seat? Guess what - it happened to her two days ago and a seat wasn't ever offered up. Furthermore, neither did we expect a seat to be offered nor did we moan and groan when it wasn't. I hate to say this, but if anyone wants to definitely sit there's always a taxi.

We aren't allowed to (by cultural norms) complain when an ECV, wheelchair, stroller or screaming child is on a bus. However, men have to take the brunt of anyone's anger and be expected to help everyone out? One earlier post had a great point - how does anyone know what any given person's medical situation might be? We live in a world where there are more identified conditions and ailments then ever before, and it is not reasonable to expect any given adult male to be A-OK, unless you wear X-Ray Specs!

How about a list, those who I will offer up my seat to:

- Handicapped
- Lactose intollerants
- Elderly
- Stuffed animals
- Sick persons
- Children
- Anyone with a child
- Circus Freaks
- Women
- Underweight persons
- Overweight persons
- Peanut allergy persons
- Tall persons
- Short persons
- Mutants
- Foreigners
- Military personel
- Aliens
- Any racial group other than mine

That would pretty much guarantee me a seat either on the bumper or roof of a Disney bus, but then again that wouldn't be allowed - me and my gender are not allowed to sit, but only jog along side a bus.

 

[Chkultr]

 

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

...yes?

 

[bdcp]

I'm proud to say my DH and my DS's (22 and 24) ALWAYS offer their seats up to women, anyone holding a small child, anyone significantly older than them, etc. Anyone who might have a difficult time standing. What amazes me is the "ME" mentality. Sad really. Very pathetic. It's not about what someone else should do for you, it's about doing the right thing without expecting anything in return. It's called manners and I'm very proud to say my DS were repeatedly praised when very young for opening doors, holding doors, etc.

They also, open car doors for their dates, pull out chairs, etc. Terrible parenting huh?

 

[delmar411]

That would pretty much guarantee me a seat either on the bumper or roof of a Disney bus, but then again that wouldn't be allowed - me and my gender are not allowed to sit, but only jog along side a bus.

I do not teach my children that only males are to offer up their seats. I view offering your seat up as a simple polite and kind gesture that isn't only for one gender nor does it have to do with someone having a disability 'needing' a seat more than myself or my children. My kids feet are just as tired as the next person but my kids also aren't juggling an infant while trying to hold onto the bars of a rocking bus while balancing a stroller between their legs. It's just showing a kindness to someone for no other reason that you can.

 

[purvislets]

Well I say shame on you! What if the pregnant woman had waited for a bus or two or three, or was desperate for the toilet (which can happen every 20 minutes when you're pregnant) or was late for work, or felt faint or 100 other reasons why they needed to get on a crowded bus! I suppose you will say she shouldn't be out and about - why not bring back confinement like in the olden days - lock the woman up quick!

Anyway, I believe in car karma (when if you give way to someone who is waiting, later on in the journey you will find someone does the same to you), so now I'm going to try bus seat karma, and see if I give my seat up for someone, then the next time I am travelling with my baby and disabled (but not visibly) daughter, someone will give up their seat for me!

I'm sorry to have to disagree with you on this. I will be at Disney next week and while I won't be very obviously pregnant, I do understand that there are going to be extra discomforts for me on this trip. I understand that I will have to wait just as long as everyone else for a bus after a long tiring day in the parks. I understand that if the bus is standing room only I have to option to stand (and not expect anyone to give up their seat for me) or wait another 20 minutes for the next bus. No one should feel entitled to a seat strictly because of age, gender, pregnancy etc. We all know how these buses work before getting there so there isn't really any excuse.

For me, I guess it will be up to how I'm feeling at the time. If I desperately need the bathroom you better believe I'll be standing on that bus. If not, I'll politely let some family go ahead of me so I can wait for a seat on the next bus.

Pregnancy is not a reason for "confinement" or the need to us up until the babies are born, but we do need to understand that just because we are tired or our feet hurt doesn't mean that the next person automatically has to give up their seat.

Three things to do at WDW to stop this nonsense:

1.) If you need to be seated on the bus, wait for the next bus if it appears the one there is full to standing. My family has done that at WDW before.

2.) If you absolutely have to have a seat while traveling between the parks, and don't want to wait for the next bus, rent a car for your vacation.

3.) Don't judge people - just because someone looks fit, does not mean they are fit. I don't show off the large chunk of flesh missing from the back of my leg. If it is aching at the end of the day, and there is a long line at the stop, we wait for the next bus so I can have a seat.

I agree about women wanting to be treated as equals, not as invalids who must have a seat so the macho man can feel better about himself. The 'elderly' don't want to be thought of as invalids either - my 69 year old mother would kick anyone's butt off the bus if someone pulled the 'old lady, take my seat' thing on her!

There have been numerous threads on here about this subject - one that appalled me the most had a woman bragging how she bossed a teenager out of his seat, as he was just sitting there playing his video game. What if this kid was autistic, or otherwise mentally or physically disabled, and needed that seat?

thank you for this! Sometimes a little common sense goes a long way.

No one makes you get on a full bus. If you can't/don't want to stand, simpley wait for the next bus. Chances are it will be along in no time.

Couldn't agree with you more.

 

[SuperTink]

It's just showing a kindness to someone for no other reason that you can.

Apparently, that's too difficult of a concept for some to understand. Pity, that.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Every person is entitled to sit on the bus. If there are no seats available when you are attempting to board and you want to sit, wait for the next bus.

What is not entitled to a seat is a stroller, stuffed animal, diaper bag, etc. Inanimate objects should be held on laps or placed on the floor out of the way of others entering and leaving the bus. I've seen people place their SUV-sized stroller on the seat of a crowded bus and not remove it when others are standing.

 

[L107ANGEL]

How about if men also leave a bus if it's too crowded? After all, that's what a gentleman would do, correct? Perhaps if I did this, I'd still be enjoying the wonders of a WDW bus stop - a perpetual visitor stuck in line.

Now, just to be clear, even if I've waited in line for two or three turns at a bus stop, finally get on and have a chance to sit (even though I've had to stand for the last few times on a bus) I should automatically offer my seat to a last minute "run up" to a bus or any other random person? I, as a man who is a gentleman in many instances in life (holding doors, saying please and thank you, smiling and thanking those I encounter in life) do not have the right to sit and relax when I've also walked the parks for eight+ hours?

Even though no one ever offered to do this for my wife or children, on countless buses, perhaps if I start doing so a huge wave of "positiveness" will sweep across WDW and my wife will be offered a seat? Perhaps someone on our bus will notice my wife limping after falling at the MK and having a huge cut and bandages on her knee, and offer up their seat? Guess what - it happened to her two days ago and a seat wasn't ever offered up. Furthermore, neither did we expect a seat to be offered nor did we moan and groan when it wasn't. I hate to say this, but if anyone wants to definitely sit there's always a taxi.

We aren't allowed to (by cultural norms) complain when an ECV, wheelchair, stroller or screaming child is on a bus. However, men have to take the brunt of anyone's anger and be expected to help everyone out? One earlier post had a great point - how does anyone know what any given person's medical situation might be? We live in a world where there are more identified conditions and ailments then ever before, and it is not reasonable to expect any given adult male to be A-OK, unless you wear X-Ray Specs!

How about a list, those who I will offer up my seat to:

- Handicapped
- Lactose intollerants
- Elderly
- Stuffed animals
- Sick persons
- Children
- Anyone with a child
- Circus Freaks
- Women
- Underweight persons
- Overweight persons
- Peanut allergy persons
- Tall persons
- Short persons
- Mutants
- Foreigners
- Military personel
- Aliens
- Any racial group other than mine

That would pretty much guarantee me a seat either on the bumper or roof of a Disney bus, but then again that wouldn't be allowed - me and my gender are not allowed to sit, but only jog along side a bus.

That was kind of condesending!

 

[Mrs. Pookie]

How about if men also leave a bus if it's too crowded? After all, that's what a gentleman would do, correct? Perhaps if I did this, I'd still be enjoying the wonders of a WDW bus stop - a perpetual visitor stuck in line.

Now, just to be clear, even if I've waited in line for two or three turns at a bus stop, finally get on and have a chance to sit (even though I've had to stand for the last few times on a bus) I should automatically offer my seat to a last minute "run up" to a bus or any other random person? I, as a man who is a gentleman in many instances in life (holding doors, saying please and thank you, smiling and thanking those I encounter in life) do not have the right to sit and relax when I've also walked the parks for eight+ hours?

Even though no one ever offered to do this for my wife or children, on countless buses, perhaps if I start doing so a huge wave of "positiveness" will sweep across WDW and my wife will be offered a seat? Perhaps someone on our bus will notice my wife limping after falling at the MK and having a huge cut and bandages on her knee, and offer up their seat? Guess what - it happened to her two days ago and a seat wasn't ever offered up. Furthermore, neither did we expect a seat to be offered nor did we moan and groan when it wasn't. I hate to say this, but if anyone wants to definitely sit there's always a taxi.

We aren't allowed to (by cultural norms) complain when an ECV, wheelchair, stroller or screaming child is on a bus. However, men have to take the brunt of anyone's anger and be expected to help everyone out? One earlier post had a great point - how does anyone know what any given person's medical situation might be? We live in a world where there are more identified conditions and ailments then ever before, and it is not reasonable to expect any given adult male to be A-OK, unless you wear X-Ray Specs!

How about a list, those who I will offer up my seat to:

- Handicapped
- Lactose intollerants
- Elderly
- Stuffed animals
- Sick persons
- Children
- Anyone with a child
- Circus Freaks
- Women
- Underweight persons
- Overweight persons
- Peanut allergy persons
- Tall persons
- Short persons
- Mutants
- Foreigners
- Military personel
- Aliens
- Any racial group other than mine

That would pretty much guarantee me a seat either on the bumper or roof of a Disney bus, but then again that wouldn't be allowed - me and my gender are not allowed to sit, but only jog along side a bus.

I completely agree with you. The bottom line is that everyone has been walking around the parks all day, and everyone is tired, no matter what age or gender they are. I may be 25, but after a long day of walking, my feet are pretty much done! So, after waiting my turn in line, I would like a seat, thank you very much!

What DOES annoy me, is when people put all of their bags onto a seat, and don't move it when the bus gets crowded. I have seen that many times.

 

[M-I-C-K-E-Y]

That was kind of condesending!

Perhaps...but just perhaps there was some sarcasm thrown in to my comments??