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Welp, I feel like I dodged a bullet. I had a whole trip in my cart for May 16-18 but operations have been so horrible for the last few days and it's going to be 95+ degrees next weekend so we will just wait until the Fall.

Our family of 5 would like to stay in an Express Pass hotel Nov 1-4. How can I figure out if it is cost effective for one of us to get an annual pass for the discounts. We would likely want a 1 or 2 day hopper for the old parks and 2 days at Epic. Is there a way to see the passholder rates for hotels before you are a passholder?

you may already know, but just in case, just wanted to point out hotel express wont cover epic, so make sure you factor that in your costs
 
We anticipate melting at the final preview on the 19th. The forecast currently showing 96° 🫠 Still can’t wait to experience Epic, though!

I hope more attractions are open when we are there than as of 6pm today- of the 11 rides, 1 VQ, 2 closed today, 3 extended delays leaving 5 open. Can’t believe the longest wait is only 60 minutes with what is up and operating.
 

We’re going next week as well. We’re honestly not expecting to get on anything. We’re planning on casually walking through the different areas and exploring. I just hope we don’t encounter the mega-lines at all the food places. If we get on something, we’ll consider that a bonus, which is pretty sad given it’s a theme park preview. 🤞🏻
If you eat earlier - like 11:30 for lunch its not bad - I was able to get a seat out front in the French place and people watch any morning. About 2 O'clock it starts to get crazy - also some days places are closed for VIP or whatever reason and that just adds to it.
It was not unusual over my 5 days to not be able to get in anywhere - pizza moon was at capacity more than once.
The German place in Harry potter seemed to be available at most times.
Atlantic at the bar seemed to be a good option.
FWIW: lots of talk elsewhere about yesterday being SO bad, Epic’s Guest Services was issuing refunds and EPs en masse with apologies. Yes, it’s a technical rehearsal, but apparently yesterday was a level of bad that Universal considered unacceptable, even under the caveat of being a preview. Some TM chatter sheds light on an “everything, everywhere, all at once” situation in which individual ride problems + a massive power outage + technical issues + inebriated and hostile guests converged at once and for an extended period of time. They’re learning as they go, not just about fixes required for operations, but also how to handle a variety of guest situations, from how to feed a hungry crowd when mobile order is down, restaurants close early due to issues, and the reminding ones run out of food, to getting security/LE into an area ASAP to handle altercations. Oof. I feel for the poor TMs.
Yes it was bad - basically everything was down.
So I did 5 days at Epic in a row - I am just working from ny notes here - I need to write up something more detailed.

Sunday 5/4 - Total of 4 hours over the day waiting on minecart and di not ride it was up and down all day - the food was not great at pizza Moon or the German place.

Monday - Line for minecart was estimated at 4 hours and Mario was down at rope drop - was ready to call it quits and refund the rest of my days.

Tuesday - There were several VIP things going on this day - so the smoke house was closed and for some reason Atlantic. That caused everything else to be overpacked and lone lines for food. Again I was going to give up and refund my tickets.

Wednesday - Minecart is down for the entire day. Stardust is down. basically everything was down. I got them to give me a comp day for Thursday - lots of people got refunds - a woman was screaming at the poor guest services woman. I basically sat in Atlantic and had a few drinks - spoke to a few folks doing the same thing and told them to get refunds since nothing was working.

Thursday - Pizza moon pizza was much better - but its still very inconsistent - mine could have been cooked longer - I saw them serve a burnt pizza to the folks next to me who sent it back - and I did see some that looked perfect so lots of issues still. Stardust was down again all day. Fyre Drill for a while as well.

Personally I think adding the additional ticket availability was a mistake - yes they have to test it - but they were not ready and now there are a lot of angry folks - technical rehearsal or not - it was a mess and they know it.

One problem is you added a bunch of people to the pool of guests that have no idea - so they show up at 3PM to ride Ministry and have no idea about the VQ and then they are not happy.

They probably should have closed one day a week just for maintenance - no guarantee that would have helped of course.

That said there were just as many people just happy to be there, but most wont be going back until its working.
I spoke to many passholders and the general consensus was they wont be back till its part of an AP.
That's great to be able to have knowledge of (guest recovery is a pretty important operations need) it's just the constant complaining about this or that when it's being spoken about previews when people mention things like costs and time spent to be down there, shade, etc. FWIW I think one of the best advices someone could give for shade and/or heat issues is if someone has noticed what places and where someone could go to get out of that if there are places, are there rides they've noticed that provide some breeze or ones to avoid (like Yoshi's) because of exposure, are there water refilling stations that seem plentiful, are there shows that seem great to get a/c, etc all of course with the understanding things could change but really good information for people who have been that can be helpful instead of just the lack of shade is a problem (as it's not something that is going to go away soon).
The shade was a big problem - but not a lot they can do about it - there are some benches with covers - but not many.
Even after 5 days there I don't have any good advice for it. The majority of the benches - and they need more benches - don't have shade. It's an issue that will not get fixed overnight.

There are a fair number of water dispensers - but not as many as I was expecting - they were also very crowded pretty constantly. Since there is no soda in the harry potter area you have to exit to get water. There is probably a refill fountain somewhere - but I did not see it. I tend to go to the soda machines and get water. Everyone should pick up a small 10 or 12oz water bottle that will fit in a pocket - then you can carry it on most rides and in line. The line for Minecart is partially not covered and I spent a good hour in the sun during a breakdown.

There is also a ridiculous amount of steps - the stone steps in Nintendo concern my as far as someone falling and getting hurt.
When you get off Mario cart and see those steps its very disheartening - just more step
I talked about the heat in my review earlier, but the tl;dr of it is:

I used a UV umbrella - better than nothing.
Water is plentiful - fountains and bottle refills near almost every restroom.
There is some shade - I saw lots of folks resting on the ground at the back sides of retainer walls, signs, etc.

The issue to me was that lack of shade is only part of the heat issue: the Feels Like on my day went over 100º and the heat was nearly unbearable even in the shade. Truly, the only relief was to go indoors - rides, shops, restaurants, whatever: AC anywhere I could find it.

My best advice? Avoid the worst of the heat - don’t spend all day in the park if you go in the summer months. I don’t plan to do a 10-hour day again in summer; I’ll roll up late afternoon and stay until closing.
I would agree - its just a tough park to do and its hard to quantify why it seems hotter. I did feel like there were not enough places to just go in cool off like in Diagon Alley for example. You can find shade - but many times I was searching for a place to sit in the shade and could not find one that was not already in use - everyone is looking for shade. There are plenty of bars to go to with shade - but the indoor ones with seating can be crowded and the outdoor ones don't have seats - just standing.

One problem is its not as easy to get back and forth if you want to go back to the hotel - its a hike to the buses and then waiting - 20 minute drive on a good day - so it can be really time consuming. Also getting from citiwalk to Epic was not as easy as I expected either - I went to early entry at IOA each day and then to Epic and its at least 30 minutes between waiting in line and getting to Epic with traffic it was 45 minutes one morning.
 
you may already know, but just in case, just wanted to point out hotel express wont cover epic, so make sure you factor that in your costs
I was surprised at the number of folks who did not know this or were expecting it with Helios.
I think that was the going idea quite a bit while back before all the hubbub about VQ being used for Ministry. I believe people just speculated that because of the design of the lands with portals that access could be controlled to each land like Nintendo was when it first opened elsewhere. Hopefully if indeed it is used in that way it is like you mentioned high crowd days.
So they are going to have to do something - but the VQ is really bad - shockingly bad. Over 5 days I was not able to get a VQ and I tried all the tricks etc.. There were times I was not even getting the option to go into VQ and other were already getting them. The majority of the time all the folks around me were not getting them. The limited capacity/operating hours for Ministry probably make it much worse than it is - but people now have a view of it as not working and they wont be happy if they expand its use.

So I don't know what the answer is - but even with this "reduced" capacity for previews it felt overcrowded much of the time.
 
One problem is its not as easy to get back and forth if you want to go back to the hotel - its a hike to the buses and then waiting - 20 minute drive on a good day - so it can be really time consuming. Also getting from citiwalk to Epic was not as easy as I expected either - I went to early entry at IOA each day and then to Epic and its at least 30 minutes between waiting in line and getting to Epic with traffic it was 45 minutes one morning.
This is purely my opinion but I don't think Epic is the park to tour if you are starting elsewhere. The location is far enough away regardless of how efficient they can be (which I think they are amazing when it comes to Surfside to CityWalk for example) it's location is not well suited for starting elsewhere and coming to Epic. The reverse would be okay if someone who is more used to IOA and the Studios and their hotel was there. OR if their hotel was at one of the ones at Epic.

However, Universal built three hotels to serve Epic with more I'm sure being considered should crowds dictate it. They built it with the intent that you're staying at one of those three hotels or coming on from one of their existing but it never really seemed like it was ever a place that you'd want to start at another park if you aren't staying at one near Epic. I cannot put that on Universal, they gave us hotels on the site of the brand new theme park, it's up to guests if they feel like they want to come from elsewhere (for me it would be like people who go to Disney and then go off Disney property mid-day then come back that is a huge time waster to me and not what I would personally plan for).
There is also a ridiculous amount of steps - the stone steps in Nintendo concern my as far as someone falling and getting hurt.
When you get off Mario cart and see those steps its very disheartening - just more step
I wonder how the other two parks people feel about it. Both Japan and Hollywood have the same "lack of mobility accessibility" complaints. I also think people are pretty used to more flat terrain. Maybe if Universal had those steps in Diagon Alley actually be required to be used to tour the area (which I always wished they had done I would have loved an additional level up there of stuff to find) it might have helped on the perception. But for mobility users Nintendo does not seem to be designed with that in mind.
There are a fair number of water dispensers - but not as many as I was expecting - they were also very crowded pretty constantly. Since there is no soda in the harry potter area you have to exit to get water. There is probably a refill fountain somewhere - but I did not see it. I tend to go to the soda machines and get water. Everyone should pick up a small 10 or 12oz water bottle that will fit in a pocket - then you can carry it on most rides and in line. The line for Minecart is partially not covered and I spent a good hour in the sun during a breakdown.
We bring a 1 liter (IIRC that's the amount) foldable water bottle with us that clips onto our park bag so that's one reason I asked about stations. It was more needed when we've been in September but handy when we last went when it was May.
So they are going to have to do something - but the VQ is really bad - shockingly bad. Over 5 days I was not able to get a VQ and I tried all the tricks etc.. There were times I was not even getting the option to go into VQ and other were already getting them. The majority of the time all the folks around me were not getting them. The limited capacity/operating hours for Ministry probably make it much worse than it is - but people now have a view of it as not working and they wont be happy if they expand its use.

So I don't know what the answer is - but even with this "reduced" capacity for previews it felt overcrowded much of the time.
I would agree if they would use it for entry to the portals smoothing out what they are doing should be done. Personally I would hate to deal with VQs just to get into lands, I hated that about Disney (and the grab an ADR or mobile order or FP so you aren't counted as part of reaching capacity).

As far as overcrowded it's interesting as my local to Orlando DISers who have now gone 4 times (they went twice this week) have said much of the opposite, the wife especially she is normally quite pessimistic on things especially park going things lol but has the majority very positive things to say about Epic, if she felt it was overly crowded on each of the times she has gone that is not a detail she would have held back on. These are also people who avoided MK the majority of time (they are APs over there as well) because they don't like to deal with the crowds so for me it counts for a huge amount.

This couple also like to do character photos (something my husband and I aren't into as much). They've given in-depth fair (meaning she's not just giving positives) review, she's presently doing an in-depth for each land to us. I do wonder how many people who are just milling about because of waiting on a Ministry (or something else) were doing looking around the park. I myself am a person who is primarily about attractions but temper that with Universal since I don't ride many of them. For example of the things she mentioned about Berk was just how everywhere you looked there were moving parts and things to see, stuff to intake. She called it as "kinetic movement" though she said contrary to other lands she didn't like it nearly as much in the evening. She's about my height and I appreciated her saying that the small stage there wasn't the easiest for her to see, we have that problem a lot given that I'm around her height and my husband is very tall.

Like others she mentioned Celestial Park felt like the storyline is too vague, like there was a missing understanding she wanted a intro to what it was but she mentioned something that I've heard others say that the Pizza Moon places...actually has good pizza lol. For her she said she ranks Celestial Park as her lowest in terms of area but Stardust Racers as thus far her favorite coaster in Orlando (seems like this coaster is surprising a lot of people that they consider it their favorite).

I can't discount people's feeling of overcrowded but it can certainly very. I personally think Diagon Alley is a big issue on larger crowded days as the way it was designed it's not as open as Hogsmeade, and Knockturn Alley is best toured with very very little people in it. I was glad we lucked out in 2022 and it was low enough crowds that Diagon Alley wasn't bad but that place also has lack of seating inside and most people including us sat on the ground to sip away the butterbeer and lemonade even though it was relatively low crowds. Sure shade is nice but it doesn't help in the end if it's just a sea of people and lack of seats (which sounds like Epic 50/50 on the amount of seats). I'm imagining that sea of people will be commonplace at Epic for a while. The end result is you don't want to spend much time in X area.
 
As far as overcrowded it's interesting as my local to Orlando DISers who have now gone 4 times (they went twice this week) have said much of the opposite, the wife especially she is normally quite pessimistic on things especially park going things lol but has the majority very positive things to say about Epic, if she felt it was overly crowded on each of the times she has gone that is not a detail she would have held back on. These are also people who avoided MK the majority of time (they are APs over there as well) because they don't like to deal with the crowds so for me it counts for a huge amount.
Well.. its kind of like a soccer match - any team can win on any given day.

I spoke with a lot of people to get a variety of opinions - and I spoke to more than one person who has gone each week and said it was crazy after they expanded it.

Of the 5 days I went - had I only gone on the one really good day it would have been great - had I only gone on the bad day I'd be very angry.

This is purely my opinion but I don't think Epic is the park to tour if you are starting elsewhere.
I think that is true now - but since I have an AP and limited time in town and the park open so late I have time to kill - not the norm - but there are plenty of AP folks who travel in and dont have the chance to go to the parks anytime they want.


Just to say it - much of what I say may come across as negative - and overall it was negative - but I 100% see that a year from now this park will be amazing. The potential is there - it just needs to be worked out - just like IOA and even studios - they had a rocky start.

This place is truly a park and I can see them doing food and wine festivals etc... there is a ton of potential and it is going to be Epic - eventually.
 
The shade was a big problem - but not a lot they can do about it - there are some benches with covers - but not many.
Even after 5 days there I don't have any good advice for it. The majority of the benches - and they need more benches - don't have shade. It's an issue that will not get fixed overnight.
It’s wild, right? I find it so difficult to explain in any way that might make sense to those who haven’t experienced Epic yet, but it’s a whole other level of heat than anything I’ve felt in 30+ years of Orlando theme parks. If you’re not a shopper hitting every shop, or an eater going in and out of indoor restaurants every hour or so, you’re outdoors for long stretches of time, in a park that just feels hotter than any other - I think that cumulative heat exposure over a long day is going to be highly problematic in the coming months.
There are a fair number of water dispensers - but not as many as I was expecting - they were also very crowded pretty constantly. Since there is no soda in the harry potter area you have to exit to get water. There is probably a refill fountain somewhere - but I did not see it.
There are bottle fillers outside the restrooms near Le Gobelet Noir and across from the Metrofloo. They’re REALLY well worked into the themeing and architecture and do not stand out, though - easy to miss!
There is also a ridiculous amount of steps - the stone steps in Nintendo concern my as far as someone falling and getting hurt.
When you get off Mario cart and see those steps its very disheartening - just more step
Seriously, the stairs in there in midday sun? ROUGH.
One problem is its not as easy to get back and forth if you want to go back to the hotel - its a hike to the buses and then waiting - 20 minute drive on a good day - so it can be really time consuming. Also getting from citiwalk to Epic was not as easy as I expected either - I went to early entry at IOA each day and then to Epic and its at least 30 minutes between waiting in line and getting to Epic with traffic it was 45 minutes one morning.
I was pondering this earlier, too. I had nowhere to go for a break on my day: my room at Dockside wasn’t ready until 8:30PM and I wouldn’t have wanted to deal with traffic back and forth to go there, anyway. I’ll be staying onsite at WDW for my next day, so no way will I take a midday break there. And Epic itself doesn’t have anything that calls out as a good “break” spot. I thought Celestial would be that, but nowhere in there was cool enough to rest for an hour or more. On my day, restaurants were maybe 30% full, tops, so I could linger at a table in the AC a while - if restaurants are packed, that won’t be an option.

My AP expires in August, so I’ll have the summer to see how things are going and if they’ll do anything with APs. I have a day ticket in early June and I’ll wait to see how the first couple weeks go before deciding whether to keep it or request a date change or refund. I’m really looking forward to going back, and am not a ride junkie so that’s not a major concern, but if I can’t make a plan to deal with the heat, going back in summer might be a no-go. If I try it, I’ll bring more snacks, plan to head over later in the day, and absolutely use my AP’s free valet parking privilege!
 
Well.. its kind of like a soccer match - any team can win on any given day.

I spoke with a lot of people to get a variety of opinions - and I spoke to more than one person who has gone each week and said it was crazy after they expanded it.

Of the 5 days I went - had I only gone on the one really good day it would have been great - had I only gone on the bad day I'd be very angry.
Yeah it's just to put it out there one person's crowded is another person's "meh it's not really". I can't say I'd be angry much less very angry. We went to Universal in 2011 and I was glad we waited that long after Hogsmeade opened (more than a year).

Then again I was in Paris on Bastille Day last year on a 7 hr layover, no sense in getting angry over crowds (and the metro was way worse than any of our train travels in Japan for context), even though it meant we just had no chance of seeing the sites people would want to be (and it's not like we would book a trip to Paris so it was kinda our only shot to do it). I got to see Eiffel Tower from the plane and I was happy as a clam to at least see that.
I think that is true now - but since I have an AP and limited time in town and the park open so late I have time to kill - not the norm - but there are plenty of AP folks who travel in and dont have the chance to go to the parks anytime they want.
For sure. IMO I think regardless of how much time one has it's an inefficient usage of park time because of its location, whether you can pop on by or not. The value ratio may depend on if you're a local or not but the usage of park time is inefficient.

People ask countless questions about should they go to X park if they are staying at Y place all the time for the Disney side. This is much the same lines. I appreciate you mentioning it as it can help give some basis. It was me just saying that Universal did try its best with the land location it had purchased to at least provide hotels to people onsite. I think the situation would have been downright nearly impossible had they not at least had several hotels on site.

I guess my viewpoint is Epic isn't a park hopping park due to its location, not until someone has mastered it all can they treat it like Studios lol. I could see someone whose hotel is back on the main part of Universal start at Epic then move to IOA or the Studios when either they are too hot or too overwhelmed. But you won't get the best usage of your park time at Epic starting elsewhere and ending at Epic.

We always have a rental car but we didn't use it at Universal to get to Citywalk to get to the parks, the bus from Surfside to Citywalk was very good and when at Royal Pacific we just walked (a non-park day we rode the boat). However, I could see us driving over to Epic and parking at their parking lot if we were not staying over there. I'm interested to see how my local to Orlando DISers do with parking because they'll pop on by to the Disney parks with exception to MK which like I mentioned was crowded aspect though I forgot to mention the parking situation they view as a hassle, the other parks they can park and get right on in. I'm going to have to keep an eye out of how people travel to and from Epic if they aren't staying at one of the three hotels there. I had been contemplating doing a 3-way split (Surfside, Royal Pacific and Stella Nova or Terra Luna).

So if you happen to do that in the coming months I'd love to hear about it :goodvibes
Just to say it - much of what I say may come across as negative - and overall it was negative - but I 100% see that a year from now this park will be amazing. The potential is there - it just needs to be worked out - just like IOA and even studios - they had a rocky start.

This place is truly a park and I can see them doing food and wine festivals etc... there is a ton of potential and it is going to be Epic - eventually.
That's sorta my point ;) the park is an entirely new park, with 11 attractions, several shows, eateries, 3 hotels, etc built in less time than Disney took to build Tron (a complete clone attraction). That alone is an amazing feat. I find myself saying more and more that even though people seem like they are prepared for a brand new theme park their comments don't always come across to that.

It's just a bit hard to actually get advice, get a really good understanding of the land from what people are posting on this thread (aside from Robo) and I'm finding myself having to go elsewhere just to get more information than "it's got a bad lack of shade and it traps heat and the VQ is a bust".
 
Just some of what our DISer friend has given in her reviews

Celestial Park:
  • Just gonna jump right to it, this is my least favorite of all the portals. Not that it's exactly a portal, it's more like the starting land. Ugh, does that kind of make it like Rules Land in Mario Party?
  • Anyway, I love the whole World's Fair aesthetic it has going on...however...I feel like there is a story here that I am missing. I need something to introduce me to that story. Dare I say...maybe some live entertainment to bring the story to me?
  • Celestial park has two rides, the Constellation Carousel and the Stardust Racers. I rode the Carousel once during the day and I think we got the best song, it was kind of like a low key dance party song and halfway through our ride we stopped and went in reverse.
  • Stardust Racers might be my favorite coaster in Orlando. I am sort of a psychopath so I just laughed during the entire terrifying ride. We rode once during the day and did not get to race, then once at night and we did race. I think the nighttime ride had the much better views.
  • Besides the rides, I very much enjoyed the stone Medusa type lady, who was beautiful and I loved the noise her clothes made as she slowly moved.
  • Honestly, Pizza Moon is the saving grace of Celestial Park. It's like I walked into a Monty Python opener and I love it. Why don't they make a Pizza Moon spirit jersey? I'd already own it.
  • Even though Pizza Moon exists and the coaster is terrific, Celestial Park still comes in last in my rankings of the portals.
  • I need more story.

Isle of Berk
  • Meeting Toothless is an incredible experience. I was lucky enough to meet him with Hiccup once, but the other Vikings are great too.
  • Hiccups Wing Gliders was full of surprises. It's a very smooth coaster and I was not expecting animatronics. The wait can be brutal in the sun but it's worth it.
  • Haven't done Dragon Racers Rally yet, we had limited time and the ride itself didn't seem worth talking away time from other experiences.
  • We brought flip flops and clothes to change into for Fyre Drill and, since we were prepared, of course it didn't open all day.
  • The untrainable dragon show is next level. All of the baby dragons are adorable, seeing Hiccup and Toothless fly is inspirational, I can't take my eyes off the drummers and the song is still in my head.
  • So far as the merch goes, I really like the art design of some of the shirts. I picked myself a baby dragon egg and helped hatch Paper Cut, who came back with me each visit. I'm delighted that team members remember him and his name.
  • Smaller observations about the land:
  • -it's so colorful. I hope the colors don't fade too quickly in the Florida sun.
  • -one is my favorite details is the benches. So many carved wooden dragon benches!
  • -this land is not my favorite at night. It's kind of dark and I think it shines (pun intended) much better during the day.
  • -I absolutely love the night lights, but they need to be on a small stage. As someone who is 5'3 I had a hard time seeing from the crowd.
  • -the walk around entertainment is fabulous. Ruffnut and Tuffnut are stand outs and so funny.
  • -this land also has great kinetic movement. Everywhere you look there's at least several things moving
  • If I had to rank, Berk is 3rd best, but a very close third. I still love it
 
It's just a bit hard to actually get advice, get a really good understanding of the land from what people are posting on this thread (aside from Robo) and I'm finding myself having to go elsewhere just to get more information than "it's got a bad lack of shade and it traps heat and the VQ is a bust".
Yeah - I guess those are the three things that really stick with you. I am still a bit off as the flights back on the east coast yesterday were so bad there was no snack service and they ended drink service almost as quick as it started so I really need to review all my notes and write up something a bit more detailed - I kept notes every day in One Note on my phone - but putting it together in something useful will take some time - right now I am just going off the top of my head.

So I usually stay at Dockside - because its $95 with an AP rate and you really cant beat that - its a bargain.
In future I'll probably stay at Surfside.
The only reason - the bus back from Epic is shared with Dockside and it goes to Surfside first - its a small thing but after a long Epic day adding that time to drop off at Surfside is slightly frustrating.
Just some of what our DISer friend has given in her reviews
Id tend to agree with all the bullet points - but I really like the park aspect of Celestial and I see a ton of potential here.
 
It’s wild, right? I find it so difficult to explain in any way that might make sense to those who haven’t experienced Epic yet, but it’s a whole other level of heat than anything I’ve felt in 30+ years of Orlando theme parks. If you’re not a shopper hitting every shop, or an eater going in and out of indoor restaurants every hour or so, you’re outdoors for long stretches of time, in a park that just feels hotter than any other - I think that cumulative heat exposure over a long day is going to be highly problematic in the coming months.
Yeah - until you have done it you just cant understand it.
I've done 8AM to Midnight multiple days during HHN - and about 35K - 40K steps for 10 nights of HHN - so I am no slacker - but 20K steps at Epic and its a killer. I really don't want to just sit in a bar and drink (especially at those prices) and a lot of times that is the only option to cool off and relax at Epic. My bar bill at Atlantic was more than a night at Dockside - so maybe staying at Helios with club lounge is well worth it - if you get a good AP rate.
 
It’s wild, right? I find it so difficult to explain in any way that might make sense to those who haven’t experienced Epic yet, but it’s a whole other level of heat than anything I’ve felt in 30+ years of Orlando theme parks. If you’re not a shopper hitting every shop, or an eater going in and out of indoor restaurants every hour or so, you’re outdoors for long stretches of time, in a park that just feels hotter than any other - I think that cumulative heat exposure over a long day is going to be highly problematic in the coming months.
Well as myself, another poster and another poster have mentioned it's also cumulative opinions from other people who have also gone. Not everyone has the same major issue with the heat, some do, some don't.

To be fair when I've asked you for advice it's been a bit hard to get it (other than the normal advice for dealing with heat). I can't remember if you mentioned if you've been inside places to eat (apologies if you mentioned specifically what places you ate at and if you liked the theming the food and if you found it to be a good break) but that was something I was hoping to hear more about other than having to go to blogs to get their mostly artificial viewpoint. And it's not just you I've just mentioned it as a general.

As it stand this thread in the last few weeks is not a good thread for anyone looking to get advice and more information about the park and the lands even if people put a spoiler tag if they feel their information is too in-depth it's at least something more.
 
Yeah - I guess those are the three things that really stick with you. I am still a bit off as the flights back on the east coast yesterday were so bad there was no snack service and they ended drink service almost as quick as it started so I really need to review all my notes and write up something a bit more detailed - I kept notes every day in One Note on my phone - but putting it together in something useful will take some time - right now I am just going off the top of my head.
I really do apologize if I am just seemingly banging my head against a wall but it's just really needed IMO to provide either more information or more balance to it. Not because I would want people to gloss over things but that it's not exactly helping out here.

It's hot, it lacks shade, yup got those several weeks ago, but now, I'm really hoping to get more nitty gritty into things. We're still 50/50 about going in September before our flight to Europe and for anyone thinking about going it would be so refreshing to get more of that information and even if you're not going anytime soon it would be lovely to hear about some more nitty gritty into what people have seen like any characters you've (general you) seen, any food you've tried out, any details you really found yourself looking at, the night vs day seems to be a really big part of general information, etc. We all want to share in excitement here don't we :flower3: :flower3:
So I usually stay at Dockside - because its $95 with an AP rate and you really cant beat that - its a bargain.
In future I'll probably stay at Surfside.
The only reason - the bus back from Epic is shared with Dockside and it goes to Surfside first - its a small thing but after a long Epic day adding that time to drop off at Surfside is slightly frustrating.
We liked Surfside for the bus part but also it's smaller. It was a tad ironic that the value hotel had covered parking garage and the high end hotel (Royal Pacific) did not (even though I get why it was still ironic to us).
Id tend to agree with all the bullet points - but I really like the park aspect of Celestial and I see a ton of potential here.
I love the theming of it, didn't we mention here on this thread about live entertainment having been cut from Celestial?? I *think* I'm remembering that correctly but if that was the place it was cut I can totally see how it would not be the most helpful for the area without a pre-existing understanding of the theme.

I really like that they are trying something new here but most do seem to agree there's just a degree of something missing. I've still felt like that over at Galaxy's Edge, amazing theming, great attention to detail but dead space. Looks like Celestial Park space seems good but it's leaving people scratching their heads a bit on immersion (something normally Universal is great at).

I'm glad my friend rode the carousel as I know I'll want to try that...the reverse part I wondered if that was intended, maybe someone who has done that can also chime in and answer if the reverse is part of it (song-dependent maybe??).
 
Yeah - until you have done it you just cant understand it.
I've done 8AM to Midnight multiple days during HHN - and about 35K - 40K steps for 10 nights of HHN - so I am no slacker - but 20K steps at Epic and its a killer. I really don't want to just sit in a bar and drink (especially at those prices) and a lot of times that is the only option to cool off and relax at Epic. My bar bill at Atlantic was more than a night at Dockside - so maybe staying at Helios with club lounge is well worth it - if you get a good AP rate.
I agree the heat was suppressive. We lingered in Atlantic for over 2 hours and also went back to Helios twice for a break. When Mario broke down in the afternoon, we chose to stay in line for the air-conditioning instead of leaving. I think we spent an hour (sitting down of course) in the large staircase leading down to the tracks. In the future, I will try to go during the cooler months.
 
I'm glad my friend rode the carousel as I know I'll want to try that...the reverse part I wondered if that was intended, maybe someone who has done that can also chime in and answer if the reverse is part of it (song-dependent maybe??).
Yes, the reversed part is intentional, but the animal also rotates so you won't be riding backwards at all times. This is a multi-directional carousel. You and your friend may start out on side by side animals, but at some point during the ride, you may be gliding in the center of the carousel, while they're on the periphery facing a different direction.
 
I agree the heat was suppressive. We lingered in Atlantic for over 2 hours and also went back to Helios twice for a break. When Mario broke down in the afternoon, we chose to stay in line for the air-conditioning instead of leaving. I think we spent an hour (sitting down of course) in the large staircase leading down to the tracks. In the future, I will try to go during the cooler months.
Yeah - I would not normally go this time of year - I tend to do September or October for HHN, and then March for Madia Gras
I love the theming of it, didn't we mention here on this thread about live entertainment having been cut from Celestial?? I *think* I'm remembering that correctly but if that was the place it was cut I can totally see how it would not be the most helpful for the area without a pre-existing understanding of the theme.

I really like that they are trying something new here but most do seem to agree there's just a degree of something missing. I've still felt like that over at Galaxy's Edge, amazing theming, great attention to detail but dead space. Looks like Celestial Park space seems good but it's leaving people scratching their heads a bit on immersion (something normally Universal is great at).
So there is live entertainment - so a saw a decent fiddle player with a cool electronic fiddle playing quite a bit over closer to the carousel.
There are some sprinklers but I never say them operating - its a water pad or whatever they call that for the kids.
Will be nice once its working

They did get rid of the entertainers as I understand it and contracted out to a third party for live music - but they have an average singer singing current and classic pop songs - I think it would have been better as just the music without the vocals - sorry you are not Debbie harry and its annoying IMO.

They need a few food carts or food trucks and seating so people can enjoy the park - and seating in the various outdoor bars.
 
Yes, the reversed part is intentional, but the animal also rotates so you won't be riding backwards at all times. This is a multi-directional carousel. You and your friend may start out on side by side animals, but at some point during the ride, you may be gliding in the center of the carousel, while they're on the periphery facing a different direction.
Thank you for that because I do get motion sickness and backwards can be a trigger for me, I can handle EE but that backwards portion does me in, Hagrid's the backwards portion is a main reason it was a bit too much for me).

I'll definitely see how it looks in person but with you saying you won't be riding backwards all the time that would be a good thing for me.
 
They need a few food carts or food trucks and seating so people can enjoy the park - and seating in the various outdoor bars.
Hmm that's an interesting idea I wouldn't want it to become too congested just because of too many obstacles (since it's the stem of the park) if you're talking about Celestial Park but would agree it'd be nice to have things that pull you to pause and enjoy the ambience for a bit. I bet they could get some good theming seating places though.

That pic that Robo shared of the park bench around the main water feature of Celestial Park I must say my first reaction is I wish it was facing the other way but I imagine it was intentional otherwise people would probably use it as a place to watch the show (that theory is out the window if there are benches along the water feature that face directly towards the water).

This is the photo I was talking about from Robo, can I just say I'm just now noticing how intricate the detail is on this bench!? It's not just a bench they put carved animals on it, like that's seriously opulent looking.
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