DopeyBadger
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Daniels 1 mile/2 mile/ 5k training plan (Fall 2024)
It's been a while hasn't it. What was supposed to be a training plan that lasted from September 2023 through April 2024, with a mid-point at the 2024 Disneyland HM Weekend in January needed to be ended prematurely. Not because of injury, but just because life dictated I needed to step away for a bit. But things are in a better place here in August 2024, and the itch to get back out there and dedicate myself to another training plan has been picking up these last few weeks. So with that I said to myself, "It is time", "I just felt like running", and "Hello there" to you all again.
To start, I know that while the itch is there to dive into another training plan, my time availability still isn't quite where it's been in the past. So I needed an appetizer to start to keep myself from overcommitting. That's why I've decided to go back to mile training. I did the Daniels 1500m / 2 mile training back in Spring 2020 when the world completely pivoted and races were harder to come by. For the most part the training went well, and a now retired member of the DIS came out and paced me to a new mile PR of 5:42 (link).
This time around, I'm older, probably not wiser, and races are definitely occurring at the moment to give this idea another try. There are two things I'm going to do differently. One thing I'm taking as a learned experience from the last go around, is that I can't handle three speed sessions in a single week. I can handle two pretty consistently, but I suspect three is what ended up leading to the glute strain that lingered for some time. So this go around I'm capping at only 2 speeds per week. I'm also being more cautious on the spacing of the speed workouts to make sure I'm physically recovered. We'll see. The second change is that I don't do indoor cycling anymore. Although if I had to, I could break out the equipment from storage. But the plan is just to do easy running instead. So with that, let's see what I came up with. Most of the plan mirrors what I had done previously, but never detailed in the journal.
Pacing
My endurance is not what it was back in January. After an extended period of time in maintenance, it's definitely diminished. But I also don't think I'm in a bad place per se. The raw power and speed however is in a reasonably good place. I've done a few weeks of strides, and have managed to live in the 4:45-5:30 range for 15 sec reps. I did one workout on Friday of last week just as a check-in before I commit to the training plan. I did 4 x 15s + 4 x 30s + 4 x 15s. Where 15s is about 75m and 30s about 150m. The 15s reps were 5:46, 5:57, 5:12, and 5:16 pace. Then the 30s reps were around 5:03, 5:11, 5:13, 5:17 pace. Then wrapped up with the second 15s rep set at 5:01, 4:43, 4:56, and 4:29. These paces are comparable to what I did at the beginning of the last plan in March 2020 around 5 flat pace. Finished feeling good and strong enough to go ahead and write the plan. So pacing wise, the plan is to run the speed sessions hard with good form, and then the other easy/long run days will all be run slower than I think I should be as I'm still rounding into endurance shape. So this plan has less pace goals written onto paper, and is going to be more about what I know should feel right based on effort.
Length of plan
The next step was determining how long the plan should be. I based this on race availability. The goal is to toe the line for some 5ks, but only plan to race the first mile. So I tried to find some local races that historically have a few runners that go sub-6 so that I have a few people to attach myself as pacers if possible. I'll fully disclose with everyone at the start line so as not to drag them out to a pace they don't want to do for a full 5k. I also want to find things that are close locally and relatively inexpensive. Because we're ultimately talking about a 5-6 min race. But doing these with other runners will provide a level of adrenaline and desire that I'm just not going to get in a time trial.
So race wise, I've pencilled in the following based on my schedule. I doubt I'll do all of them, but at least they're available if I choose to do it and the conditions are right.
9/14/24 - Dolittle 5k (do a mile)
10/12/24 - Hoot Hoot Hustle 5k (do a mile)
Disney trip
11/2/24 - Pumpkin run (do a mile)
11/10/24 - Madison 10k (do the 10k)
11/28/24 - Neighborhood Thanksgiving 5k (do the 5k)
12/1/24 - Last Call 5k (do the 5k)
The workouts
The plan starts today. For the first few weeks, I'll stick with 5 days per week, as that's a step up from the four days per week that I've been more consistent with. And I'd like to keep up with the LIIFT More workouts, but will keep them isolated to upper body, and only on Sat/Sun. As for speed days, I'll do them on Wednesdays and Sundays. Most of the easy days will stay at 45 min in length until the volume of the plan increases and once we get past Disney in mid-October.
For me, I can do mile pace at about 600m in length in around 2 min (2:08 is 5:43 pace). So I based all the distances off of that to give me goals for 30s, 60s, 90s, and 120s (or around 150m, 300m, 450m, and 600m). If you were to translate the plan for your own use, then that's what you would do. 150m written is 30s for you.
For Daniels vets, there will be a lot of familiar workouts. There's the sets of 150+150+300, or the 4x150+2+300+4x150, or some variety of inbetween. They're pretty simple workouts, and essentially as the weeks pass the length of time you run at pace extends either on a per interval basis (like 150m vs 600m) or from a total volume standpoint (like 11 min of mile pace versus 16 min of mile pace).
After a short four weeks, I'll have my first check in at the DoLittle 5k. I'll play this one by ear. It may be too soon to see where I'm at, or I'll be feeling alright and it can serve as a measuring stick for future performances. By then end of the four weeks, I'll move into six days per week, but the overall volume will still pale in comparison to what I've done for years (more like 4-5 hrs per week instead of 7-9 hrs per week).
The vast majority of workouts will stick to the mile pace scheme. A few workouts will appear here and there touching on either Daniels threshold pace or Daniels interval pace.
Once we roll into October, I found a local race supporting the nearby elementary school. The timing works well as we'll be heading to Disney the next week, and who knows what training will be like down there. So reaping some of the hard work of training in a race right before we leave could be useful knowledge before I head into the back half of the training plan.
Once I get back from Disney in late October, the plan's focus will shift. I'll move from primarily mile pace, to more variety of pacing around 3k-10k pace. This will serve as an entrance into preparing myself for more aerobic racing at the longer distances. I'll do a half mile repeat 5k workout, and then the Rat-A-Tat McMillan workout (400m at 10k w/ just 15 sec RI).
During this time, I'll aim to do one last mile race at the Pumpkin run, and then aim for running the Madison Marathon 10k.
The plan will wrap with three more weeks of 5k specific training, before heading into my own double 5k weekend. With the plans to race on Thanksgiving and then race again a few days later at Last Call. The goal is to treat these like my own mini Olympic qualifying and finals races.
Goals
So let's set some goals for this training plan.
1) Be consistent with the training.
2) Be flexible with the training when life dictates it.
3) To run a mile under 6 minutes again. Current PR is 5:42 from May 2020. Second fastest is 6:02 during the Bunny Head 5k time trial in May 2017. I did a 3 x 1 mile 5k workout in November 2023 before Disneyland in 6:03 (3rd fastest ever), 6:13, (9th), 6:14 (10th). So I know I've got sub-6 still in me.
4) To run my first official sub-20 5k. My current official PR is 20:06 (Disney 2018). I've run twice under 20 min at 19:27 (during 2018 Disney 10k) and 19:29 (Bunny Head Time trial in May 2017). I'm confident under the right conditions I can pull it off.
5) To run the Madison 10k in under 42 min. My PR is 39:54 at Disney 2018. But that's the only time I've run under 42 min. My other 10k times hover around 42:03, 42:11, 42:46... So I'd like to see if I can hit under 42 min when that's the goal, and not trying to go sub-40 again.
I may not hit all these goals, but it helps to settle in my mind what the purpose of the training is aimed towards. Ultimately, I had fun doing the Daniels 1500m / 2 mile training last go around, and it doesn't require a huge time commitment. So I think it's the right plan for right now.
It's been a while hasn't it. What was supposed to be a training plan that lasted from September 2023 through April 2024, with a mid-point at the 2024 Disneyland HM Weekend in January needed to be ended prematurely. Not because of injury, but just because life dictated I needed to step away for a bit. But things are in a better place here in August 2024, and the itch to get back out there and dedicate myself to another training plan has been picking up these last few weeks. So with that I said to myself, "It is time", "I just felt like running", and "Hello there" to you all again.
To start, I know that while the itch is there to dive into another training plan, my time availability still isn't quite where it's been in the past. So I needed an appetizer to start to keep myself from overcommitting. That's why I've decided to go back to mile training. I did the Daniels 1500m / 2 mile training back in Spring 2020 when the world completely pivoted and races were harder to come by. For the most part the training went well, and a now retired member of the DIS came out and paced me to a new mile PR of 5:42 (link).
This time around, I'm older, probably not wiser, and races are definitely occurring at the moment to give this idea another try. There are two things I'm going to do differently. One thing I'm taking as a learned experience from the last go around, is that I can't handle three speed sessions in a single week. I can handle two pretty consistently, but I suspect three is what ended up leading to the glute strain that lingered for some time. So this go around I'm capping at only 2 speeds per week. I'm also being more cautious on the spacing of the speed workouts to make sure I'm physically recovered. We'll see. The second change is that I don't do indoor cycling anymore. Although if I had to, I could break out the equipment from storage. But the plan is just to do easy running instead. So with that, let's see what I came up with. Most of the plan mirrors what I had done previously, but never detailed in the journal.
Pacing
My endurance is not what it was back in January. After an extended period of time in maintenance, it's definitely diminished. But I also don't think I'm in a bad place per se. The raw power and speed however is in a reasonably good place. I've done a few weeks of strides, and have managed to live in the 4:45-5:30 range for 15 sec reps. I did one workout on Friday of last week just as a check-in before I commit to the training plan. I did 4 x 15s + 4 x 30s + 4 x 15s. Where 15s is about 75m and 30s about 150m. The 15s reps were 5:46, 5:57, 5:12, and 5:16 pace. Then the 30s reps were around 5:03, 5:11, 5:13, 5:17 pace. Then wrapped up with the second 15s rep set at 5:01, 4:43, 4:56, and 4:29. These paces are comparable to what I did at the beginning of the last plan in March 2020 around 5 flat pace. Finished feeling good and strong enough to go ahead and write the plan. So pacing wise, the plan is to run the speed sessions hard with good form, and then the other easy/long run days will all be run slower than I think I should be as I'm still rounding into endurance shape. So this plan has less pace goals written onto paper, and is going to be more about what I know should feel right based on effort.
Length of plan
The next step was determining how long the plan should be. I based this on race availability. The goal is to toe the line for some 5ks, but only plan to race the first mile. So I tried to find some local races that historically have a few runners that go sub-6 so that I have a few people to attach myself as pacers if possible. I'll fully disclose with everyone at the start line so as not to drag them out to a pace they don't want to do for a full 5k. I also want to find things that are close locally and relatively inexpensive. Because we're ultimately talking about a 5-6 min race. But doing these with other runners will provide a level of adrenaline and desire that I'm just not going to get in a time trial.
So race wise, I've pencilled in the following based on my schedule. I doubt I'll do all of them, but at least they're available if I choose to do it and the conditions are right.
9/14/24 - Dolittle 5k (do a mile)
10/12/24 - Hoot Hoot Hustle 5k (do a mile)
Disney trip
11/2/24 - Pumpkin run (do a mile)
11/10/24 - Madison 10k (do the 10k)
11/28/24 - Neighborhood Thanksgiving 5k (do the 5k)
12/1/24 - Last Call 5k (do the 5k)
The workouts
The plan starts today. For the first few weeks, I'll stick with 5 days per week, as that's a step up from the four days per week that I've been more consistent with. And I'd like to keep up with the LIIFT More workouts, but will keep them isolated to upper body, and only on Sat/Sun. As for speed days, I'll do them on Wednesdays and Sundays. Most of the easy days will stay at 45 min in length until the volume of the plan increases and once we get past Disney in mid-October.
For me, I can do mile pace at about 600m in length in around 2 min (2:08 is 5:43 pace). So I based all the distances off of that to give me goals for 30s, 60s, 90s, and 120s (or around 150m, 300m, 450m, and 600m). If you were to translate the plan for your own use, then that's what you would do. 150m written is 30s for you.
For Daniels vets, there will be a lot of familiar workouts. There's the sets of 150+150+300, or the 4x150+2+300+4x150, or some variety of inbetween. They're pretty simple workouts, and essentially as the weeks pass the length of time you run at pace extends either on a per interval basis (like 150m vs 600m) or from a total volume standpoint (like 11 min of mile pace versus 16 min of mile pace).
After a short four weeks, I'll have my first check in at the DoLittle 5k. I'll play this one by ear. It may be too soon to see where I'm at, or I'll be feeling alright and it can serve as a measuring stick for future performances. By then end of the four weeks, I'll move into six days per week, but the overall volume will still pale in comparison to what I've done for years (more like 4-5 hrs per week instead of 7-9 hrs per week).
The vast majority of workouts will stick to the mile pace scheme. A few workouts will appear here and there touching on either Daniels threshold pace or Daniels interval pace.
Once we roll into October, I found a local race supporting the nearby elementary school. The timing works well as we'll be heading to Disney the next week, and who knows what training will be like down there. So reaping some of the hard work of training in a race right before we leave could be useful knowledge before I head into the back half of the training plan.
Once I get back from Disney in late October, the plan's focus will shift. I'll move from primarily mile pace, to more variety of pacing around 3k-10k pace. This will serve as an entrance into preparing myself for more aerobic racing at the longer distances. I'll do a half mile repeat 5k workout, and then the Rat-A-Tat McMillan workout (400m at 10k w/ just 15 sec RI).
During this time, I'll aim to do one last mile race at the Pumpkin run, and then aim for running the Madison Marathon 10k.
The plan will wrap with three more weeks of 5k specific training, before heading into my own double 5k weekend. With the plans to race on Thanksgiving and then race again a few days later at Last Call. The goal is to treat these like my own mini Olympic qualifying and finals races.
Goals
So let's set some goals for this training plan.
1) Be consistent with the training.
2) Be flexible with the training when life dictates it.
3) To run a mile under 6 minutes again. Current PR is 5:42 from May 2020. Second fastest is 6:02 during the Bunny Head 5k time trial in May 2017. I did a 3 x 1 mile 5k workout in November 2023 before Disneyland in 6:03 (3rd fastest ever), 6:13, (9th), 6:14 (10th). So I know I've got sub-6 still in me.
4) To run my first official sub-20 5k. My current official PR is 20:06 (Disney 2018). I've run twice under 20 min at 19:27 (during 2018 Disney 10k) and 19:29 (Bunny Head Time trial in May 2017). I'm confident under the right conditions I can pull it off.
5) To run the Madison 10k in under 42 min. My PR is 39:54 at Disney 2018. But that's the only time I've run under 42 min. My other 10k times hover around 42:03, 42:11, 42:46... So I'd like to see if I can hit under 42 min when that's the goal, and not trying to go sub-40 again.
I may not hit all these goals, but it helps to settle in my mind what the purpose of the training is aimed towards. Ultimately, I had fun doing the Daniels 1500m / 2 mile training last go around, and it doesn't require a huge time commitment. So I think it's the right plan for right now.