The large number of new Aulani resale contracts??

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It's not a great deal at all. You are better off to wait for a contract with 2024 or 2025 points.

Let's assume Fidelity lists a fully loaded AUL contract with 2024 banked points and 2025 points for $105pp. Those "banked" points if valued at $15pp (a very conservative value for AUL points) brings the $105pp down to $90pp. And that's without negotiating. The listings at $88 and $89pp don't have 2025 points. So continuing on the same example, that brings the $105 listing down to $75pp in value.

$88pp for AUL with points only starting in 2026 is a terrible deal

The lack of 2025 points should not be valued at $15 or anywhere near.

If it had 2025 points you’d pay the $10+ dues on those points (otherwise the seller does). Are you saying you can rent Aulani points at $25pt and net $15 over dues? (Ignoring taxes, which makes things even worse)
 
The lack of 2025 points should not be valued at $15 or anywhere near.

If it had 2025 points you’d pay the $10+ dues on those points (otherwise the seller does). Are you saying you can rent Aulani points at $25pt and net $15 over dues? (Ignoring taxes, which makes things even worse)
I think part of the argument is that if you were to be made whole for the missing points you should be compensated for them. Most of the brokers that have a rental side charge around $25 a point. If you wanted to get those missing points you would need to shell out $25 a point to rent them, with the inconvenience of someone else controlling the reservation
 
The lack of 2025 points should not be valued at $15 or anywhere near.

If it had 2025 points you’d pay the $10+ dues on those points (otherwise the seller does). Are you saying you can rent Aulani points at $25pt and net $15 over dues? (Ignoring taxes, which makes things even worse)

I’m saying if you were the seller and I was the buyer we’d not be a “match” and there would be no deal to be had.
 
I’m saying if you were the seller and I was the buyer we’d not be a “match” and there would be no deal to be had.
Agreed. The buyer is taking the risk with the purchase. We’ve already seen rental rates go down on the board sponsor…. who knows what happens if a trade war zaps peoples wallets of discretionary spending…..
 
I think part of the argument is that if you were to be made whole for the missing points you should be compensated for them. Most of the brokers that have a rental side charge around $25 a point. If you wanted to get those missing points you would need to shell out $25 a point to rent them, with the inconvenience of someone else controlling the reservation
I thought the argument was that is contract A has 2025 points and Contract B doesn’t then contract B should be worth at least $15 less per point.

Under that scenario, you’d be ignoring that with contract A you’re paying 2025 dues and with contract B you’re not. I doubt many folks would net $15 over the (high, non subsidized) Aulani dues if they rented out the 2025 points, especially after tax.

And isn’t buying a non-stripped contract an alternative way to be ״made whole״ if you’re looking to be an owner anyway? And then assume if you had 2025 points and paid those dues, how much they’d be worth if rented out. Seems like a cleaner way to look at it than to just say if the 2025 points have been stripped my only alternative is renting 2025 points from the most expensive broker out there so that’s the amount the seller should be penalized by.
 
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FI thought the argument was that is contract A has 2025 points and Contract B doesn’t then contract B should be worth at least $15 less per point.

Under that scenario, you’d be ignoring that with contract A you’re paying 2025 dues and with contract B you’re not. I doubt many folks would net $15 over the (high, non subsidized) Aulani dues if they rented out the 2025 points, especially after tax.

And isn’t buying a non-stripped contract an alternative way to be ״made whole״ if you’re looking to be an owner anyway? And then assume if you had 2025 points and paid those dues, how much they’d be worth if rented out. Seems like a cleaner way to look at it than to just say if the 2025 points have been stripped my only alternative is renting 2025 points from the most expensive broker out there so that’s the amount the seller should be penalized by.
I personally hate stripped contracts. You are paying a lot of money upfront for uncertain delayed gratification.
 
David's does in fact charge $25.00 per point for people wanting to rent points to stay at Aulani. I realize they don't pay owners this much but I don't think it's crazy to suggest that owners could rent for over $20 especially with 11 month advantage. We may not all see stripped contracts the same way but I completely agree that there is a lot of value to banked points and current year points; that value is often not reflected in the way some of the stripped contracts are priced.
 
David's does in fact charge $25.00 per point for people wanting to rent points to stay at Aulani. I realize they don't pay owners this much but I don't think it's crazy to suggest that owners could rent for over $20 especially with 11 month advantage. We may not all see stripped contracts the same way but I completely agree that there is a lot of value to banked points and current year points; that value is often not reflected in the way some of the stripped contracts are priced.

$20-$21/point is reasonable to assume. But now you're just at $10 above unsubsidized dues, and that's ignoring the tax consequences of the rental profit.
 
$20-$21/point is reasonable to assume. But now you're just at $10 above unsubsidized dues, and that's ignoring the tax consequences of the rental profit.
I keep wondering about this, as I haven't rented points. But for those of you who do, in terms of taxes, can't you write-off a prorated point price based on purchase (maybe $2 to $3 for resale points) plus the annual fees on each point for each point you rent?
 
I keep wondering about this, as I haven't rented points. But for those of you who do, in terms of taxes, can't you write-off a prorated point price based on purchase (maybe $2 to $3 for resale points) plus the annual fees on each point for each point you rent?

That's probably a question for a tax accountant. Any advice you get here is likely worth the price you pay for it.... :)

And after that clarification I'll add that I believe that if you were to do that (aka depreciation) you are reducing your cost basis annually and need to keep track of that because any eventual sale of the contract in the future will result in a higher capital gains tax that if you did not depreciate.
 
That's probably a question for a tax accountant. Any advice you get here is likely worth the price you pay for it.... :)

And after that clarification I'll add that I believe that if you were to do that (aka depreciation) you are reducing your cost basis annually and need to keep track of that because any eventual sale of the contract in the future will result in a higher capital gains tax that if you did not depreciate.
I'm not so much asking for professional advice--note: I have not rented points--I'm just curios as to how people handle that. I'm guessing the income is 1099-ed. But I'm also guessing that nearly half of that can be written down through legit costs associated with purchasing and maintaining ownership of those points/resort. So I'm confused why people continually point to this as a huge hurdle to get over in terms of after-tax revenue. So if you rent points for $20--I'm guessing you can subtract out member fees on those points (let's say $8 each or so) and at least a prorated cost of purchasing the points (a new direct contract is $200 for about 50 years or $4 a point per use, a resale is 50% to 75% of that).
 
I'm not so much asking for professional advice--note: I have not rented points--I'm just curios as to how people handle that. I'm guessing the income is 1099-ed. But I'm also guessing that nearly half of that can be written down through legit costs associated with purchasing and maintaining ownership of those points/resort. So I'm confused why people continually point to this as a huge hurdle to get over in terms of after-tax revenue. So if you rent points for $20--I'm guessing you can subtract out member fees on those points (let's say $8 each or so) and at least a prorated cost of purchasing the points (a new direct contract is $200 for about 50 years or $4 a point per use, a resale is 50% to 75% of that).
I assume you can deduct your costs involved just as you can with any other self produced income. I often point it out as a hurdle on the boards. Yes there will still be profit made since you only pay tax on profit, but it lessens my profit 35% since that is my tax bracket, then as with any tax write offs you open yourself up to an audit. To me it’s just not worth it. However, I would 100% rent out points before I let Disney keep them, I would not on the other hand buy a contract with the intent of creating my own MB via renting points.
 
I wonder if the $5k payment transfer1099-k rule being implemented is part of the issue with the commercial renters.
I dunno, I feel like most would already be paying tax on the income if they were doing it commercially? This is more likely to affect smaller renters who may have taken a chance with not reporting the income previously I would think. Who knows.
 
I keep wondering about this, as I haven't rented points. But for those of you who do, in terms of taxes, can't you write-off a prorated point price based on purchase (maybe $2 to $3 for resale points) plus the annual fees on each point for each point you rent?

Not actual tax advice on this one, but I think you have to look at the underlying use of the rental. I don't know that there is a ton of timeshare guidance out there, but if you were to have a rental property (i.e. a condo or house that you normally rent out), you can certainly depreciate the property and take deductions for depreciation against the rental income. But in terms of a timeshare, the normal purpose of your use of DVC is for your personal vacations, so I don't think depreciation of that original purchase price would apply. For rental of homes/condos, I think there is a deminimis exception - so if you use it say for 1 or 2 weeks a year, you can still depreciate the rental property without regard to your personal use. For DVC timeshares though, if you generally use the points every year yourself, I wouldn't think that depreciation could be taken on that initial purchase price - unless you were in the business of renting the points out every year (and even then, make sure you consult an actual tax accountant who does this kind of stuff).
 
Another dozen Aulani contracts, most of them stripped. There's now more Aulani than anything else for sale, including SSR. 20% of all contracts for sale now are AUL. Who knows when this will end?
I think its just reposting the ones from two months ago. Move them up on the aggregators to look new. Maybe drop a dollar here and there on asking price.
 
I think it’s just reposting the ones from two months ago. Move them up on the aggregators to look new. Maybe drop a dollar here and there on asking price.
I am so glad I am not trying to sell an AUL right now, this will depress the market for at least a year. But what’s funny is that so many of these contracts are stripped that it likely won’t depress the rental market because all of those points have already been stripped out.
 
Another dozen Aulani contracts, most of them stripped. There's now more Aulani than anything else for sale, including SSR. Who knows when this will en
I think its just reposting the ones from two months ago. Move them up on the aggregators to look new. Maybe drop a dollar here and there on asking price.



This is a great question. Different aggregators treat listing changes differently. Sadly, I knew my way around one of the defunct aggregators better than DVDforless. Does a change in listing price prompt DVDforless to bump it to the top again? Or are brokers taking down and resubmitting contracts with new listing numbers to manipulate the system? Or are these all genuinely new, previously-unlisted sales contracts? I'm unsure. Please post, if you know. To me, it looks like these are new. In our small sample set over on the ROFR threat, there are clearly people buying AUL contracts. The active number is staying around 200 overall. And it looks like these contracts are replacing listings that have sold. But honestly, I don't know.
 
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