Joben
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ouch-- too soon?
Honestly, it will always be too soon. I hesitated posting, but unfortunately my guess is 85% wont even get the reference.
ouch-- too soon?
I think most of us just have the good taste not to touch on that comment...Honestly, it will always be too soon. I hesitated posting, but unfortunately my guess is 85% wont even get the reference.
The last Disney "hotel" built was in 2012. Since then, 3 new DVC resorts have opened, one was a new "ground up" resort and the other 2 were hotel conversions. Last year, 2 new Hotels were announced (Star Wars and Coronado Springs) as well as one new DVC resort (Riviera). I surmise that the hotel occupancy was not as high as they wanted and that DVC sales continued to be strong so they reduced hotel rooms and added DVC rooms, all in one step. They seem to plan the DVC resorts so that a new one starts up when the previous one is selling. Copper Creek will take a while to sell out then the Riviera will take over. If DVC stay on course, it will need to break ground on a new resort within the next 24 months. Design and permitting will take about a year. Having said that, it certainly could be a hotel and not a DVC Resort.So my first thought was this is going to be another DVC, because that's what Disney is all about and there has been a DVC proposal for this area before. Then I started thinking back to a comment I had seen by I believe Martin on WDWMagic. It was in regards to Caribbean Beach and how loss of "moderate" rooms due to Riviera may be added back in some other place. Or something like that, maybe I am remembering it wrong. I then went to a thread again on WDWMagic about a Volcano hotel rumor from WDWNT. In it Martin posted this comment... if it doesn't link automatically its comment #12
https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/volcano-hotel.926753/#post-7693484
"Whilst I've heard nothing specific, something did pop up a few weeks ago that could be linked to a new resort in the MK area. It's all a little vague still and doesn't - to me at least - seem likely at the moment.
But it did remind me of a plan near the Contemporary from the 90s."
A plan near the Contemporary in the 90's was Buffalo Junction. Which was supposed to be a moderate price resort. It would work with the whole loss of moderate rooms, addition in another place. Again if I had to guess I would say it will most likely be DVC, I really am not sure if Disney will ever build a moderate resort again. So far Martin hasn't commented on the permits yet, I'm sure he will later today and completely dispel everything I typed up. Sorry this comment got so long didn't expect it to ha
The last Disney "hotel" built was in 2012. Since then, 3 new DVC resorts have opened, one was a new "ground up" resort and the other 2 were hotel conversions. Last year, 2 new Hotels were announced (Star Wars and Coronado Springs) as well as one new DVC resort (Riviera). I surmise that the hotel occupancy was not as high as they wanted and that DVC sales continued to be strong so they reduced hotel rooms and added DVC rooms, all in one step. They seem to plan the DVC resorts so that a new one starts up when the previous one is selling. Copper Creek will take a while to sell out then the Riviera will take over. If DVC stay on course, it will need to break ground on a new resort within the next 24 months. Design and permitting will take about a year. Having said that, it certainly could be a hotel and not a DVC Resort.
I think you're rightI am certain I read somewhere that Copper Creek is selling so well that it might sell out before the Riviera DVC resort is open.
It certainly could be that. The Boardwalk was built that wayCouldn't it be a hotel with a DVC wing? I don't see why it has to be one or the other. I would like it if it were a Hotel/DVC property with a large water area. Beach Club is popular for that reason, so they would be smart to add some sort of lazy river/significant water play area on a new DVC property.
So my first thought was this is going to be another DVC, because that's what Disney is all about and there has been a DVC proposal for this area before. Then I started thinking back to a comment I had seen by I believe Martin on WDWMagic. It was in regards to Caribbean Beach and how loss of "moderate" rooms due to Riviera may be added back in some other place.
I suppose you have to look at revenue generation.
The my magic system has given them a ton of info on spending habits. They know what the average value/moderate/deluxe/DVC family spends. I think you'll now see the next wave of lodging taking advantage of that info.
If you can add 1000 beds...and have to choose who gives you the best return on that overall, in terms of the lodging, food, beverage, tours and merchandise. They have to have data that can tell them what the sweet spot is. Do people that cram 5 into a value suite spend more overall, than 3 people in a moderate? Does the level of service at a moderate/deluxe create a labor cost problem, or a human resource problem?
The DVC wave was about maximizing lodging profits. I think the next wave, looks at the overall picture, and I think we are going see some things blend together.
I don't buy as much stuff as before mostly because it's all the same stuff wherever you go. That plus a lot is always the 2018/yearly merchandise.I absolutely agree. How much guests spend depending on the level of lodging is certainly a very complicated issue.
For instance, my family basically always stays at Deluxes, but we have only done one 'add-on', the MNSSHP.
I have seen many posters say they will stay a value and do every possible add-on, VIP tour, signature dining experience, tour from Walt Disney himself event offered!!! (which is certainly their choice)
Once the numbers are run, I am very interested to see where the next money making wave comes from. (It seems from anecdotal evidence and experience guests purchase much less merchandise than they used to)
Depends on time of year, and if the resort is undergoing renovations. Disney occupation domestically has been somewhere around 80-90% over the last couple years which is quite good and where Disney would want it to be.Does anyone know what the occupancy rate is for Disney-owned hotels? Are there any that have high vacancies?
*yawn* more DVC, possibly an uninspired moderate. I'd love to see a brilliantly themed hotel go here though! However the trend seems to be moving toward towers and high capacity lodging.
No, not very noisy. A small truck drives a pipe into the ground anywhere from 20'-50' and pull up soil samples and that them back to the lab for analysis.Questions for geo scientists, civil engineers, or other experts:
Are "geotechnical borings" noisy? Would they disrupt the peace at Boulder Ridge, Copper Creek, or Fort Wilderness?
Also, does anyone have an idea when this would be most likely to happen?