Should I be renting while Commercial Renting being reviewed?

[bk1273]

Please don't pass on rumors and conjecture of what might happen from other threads. I've been a DVC member and a DISer for over 2 decades and I've never read of a reservation getting cancelled because of commercial renting. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen or it won't happen, but it's not happening now and you're just scaring the OP.

Not scaring me per se, but the overall topic lends itself to avoid renting until more information available.

 

[eticketplease]

The cashback protection is only if I cancel which I could if I know ahead of time. Rented before and realized there is some level of trust which is why we use a broker to rent. However, this topic if DVD does anything adds in a layer the broker may not be able to control.

In the only known scenario Disney cancelled the reservation with plenty of time. We don't know if that would happen again or if any rentals would even be cancelled in the future. I'm not going to cause false panic by one reservation being cancelled made by one owner.

 

[CarolynFH]

After Wyndham restricted renting by limiting the number of guest certificates an owner could have and by declaring certain times of year "owner priority" times at specific resorts, owners reported finding it easier to book at certain resorts. If DVC cracks down on large-volume commercial renters, we may not know other than seeing fewer complaints of difficulty booking. I don't think DVC is likely to announce anything, and I doubt that any commercial renters who exit the business are likely to say anything publicly either.

 

[Brian Noble]

Realistically, the chances of something going sideways are low. So far, we know of a single claimed instance of a reservation being cancelled, and we have no idea what the reason even was. It could as easily have been for a delinquent loan payment as it was for someone running afoul of the commercial use clause, and delinquency seems more likely.

Personally, I would not worry about it, but that's just me. Everyone has to judge their own risk tolerance.

 

[robinb]

I was not the one to mention that. The overall discussion is what has me worried.

From my further reading of this thread, it looks like you're trying use uncertainty to encourage your wife to go along with buying a resale instead of renting points. Let me be the first to say , LOL. All kidding aside, if you're not comfortable renting then you shouldn't do it.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Not saying it was not an isolated incident for this situation. But just saying that it appears that DVC has canceled a reservation that was related to it.

I am pretty sure that you have owners who may be renting a lot of points who do use brokers because they don’t consider themselves violating the rules and may be using that 20 reservation threshold as their reason.

I think assuming someone renting DVC as a business isn’t using a broker is not an accurate assumption…but then again, DVC has said that it isn’t common practice that owners are doing it.

Realistically, the chances of something going sideways are low. So far, we know of a single claimed instance of a reservation being cancelled, and we have no idea what the reason even was. It could as easily have been for a delinquent loan payment as it was for someone running afoul of the commercial use clause, and delinquency seems more likely.

Personally, I would not worry about it, but that's just me. Everyone has to judge their own risk tolerance.

I think optics plays a part here.

If an owner had a reservation cancelled due to loans, dues or something else not being paid, wouldn't it look better optics wise to claim that it was because of DVC cancelling the reservation?

 

[Brian Noble]

It has the advantage of also being true.

 

[Sandisw]

I think optics plays a part here.

If an owner had a reservation cancelled due to loans, dues or something else not being paid, wouldn't it look better optics wise to claim that it was because of DVC cancelling the reservation?

Honestly, if you are trying to reassure a renter, you don’t want them worried that the owner might be violating the contract because they have turned their DVC into a business.

Telling a renter and the general public at large that this was an isolated incident due to an owner’s personal situation would me much more likely to calm nerves

No matter what, renting is a risk but implying this may have been do to a crackdown doesn’t make sense unless it is true.

And, IIRC, the initial reporting was from the renter who said that played a rule.

 

[Cyberc1978]

Honestly, if you are trying to reassure a renter, you don’t want them worried that the owner might be violating the contract because they have turned their DVC into a business.

Telling a renter and the general public at large that this was an isolated incident due to an owner’s personal situation would me much more likely to calm nerves

No matter what, renting is a risk but implying this may have been do to a crackdown doesn’t make sense unless it is true.

And, IIRC, the initial reporting was from the renter who said that played a rule.

My take was seen from the owners side - if (s)he had told the broker that is was due to Disney canceling the reservation due to commercial activity. Maybe instead the truth was because of unpaid loans etc.

 

[Sandisw]

My take was seen from the owners side - if (s)he had told the broker that is was due to Disney canceling the reservation due to commercial activity. Maybe instead the truth was because of unpaid loans etc.

Got it…but from what I remember reading the renter was alerted to that being the reason and shared that so the owners situation had already been revealed.

 

[Ronaldo17]

Realistically, the chances of something going sideways are low. So far, we know of a single claimed instance of a reservation being cancelled, and we have no idea what the reason even was. It could as easily have been for a delinquent loan payment as it was for someone running afoul of the commercial use clause, and delinquency seems more likely.

Personally, I would not worry about it, but that's just me. Everyone has to judge their own risk tolerance.

Good advice

 

[Genie+]

I think we would all like to believe that DVC would consider the impact to an unsuspecting renter when this crackdown happens.

But the reality is, I doubt they will if you really have certain owners who have 100s to 1000s of rentals already in the books.

Personally I doubt DVC would do mass cancellations last minute. More likely, whatever they do this year, considers the impact to unwitting rental customers.

Mass cancellations last minute is key here. I cannot see DVC deciding to do both mass cancellations AND last minute. Because people are worried about many things but one in particular… showing up to find out they don’t have a room. I think the risk is very small here.

That would require a very particular strategy by DVC, and is one I cannot see happening. Like DVC decides to employ includes 200 cancellations this week, and then each week doing the same. Could you imagine the ongoing drama in the lobbies?

We do not know how many cancellations DVC might be considering.

If DVC stays within the most severe cases? That would not likely be mass cancellations, and if a few reservations tomorrow and the next day got swept up, so be it.

If DVC swings the hammer far and wide? That could be mass cancellations.

If mass cancellations did happen, would DVC let them all know, and when the majority still have time to pivot? Or would they just keep waiting until last minute to let these people know.

 

[bk1273]

Mass cancellations last minute is key here. I cannot see DVC deciding to do both mass cancellations AND last minute. Because people are worried about many things but one in particular… showing up to find out they don’t have a room. I think the risk is very small here.

That would require a very particular strategy by DVC, and is one I cannot see happening. Like DVC decides to employ includes 200 cancellations this week, and then each week doing the same. Could you imagine the ongoing drama in the lobbies?

We do not know how many cancellations DVC might be considering.

If DVC stays within the most severe cases? That would not likely be mass cancellations, and if a few reservations tomorrow and the next day got swept up, so be it.

If DVC swings the hammer far and wide? That could be mass cancellations.

If mass cancellations did happen, would DVC let them all know, and when the majority still have time to pivot? Or would they just keep waiting until last minute to let these people know.

To be honest, I am less concerned of showing up to no room with this happening than to find out 40-90 days ahead and have to completely rework a vacation and fight for refunds everywhere. If no room when I arrive, I pay what I have to in the moment to not ruin it for my family while I spend my time fighting through the vacation and after.

 

[Noodlez]

Please don't pass on rumors and conjecture of what might happen from other threads. I've been a DVC member and a DISer for over 2 decades and I've never read of a reservation getting cancelled because of commercial renting. I'm not saying that it couldn't happen or it won't happen, but it's not happening now and you're just scaring the OP.

The problem is that some of us did read this! I read on Facebook that a renter who was with DVC rental store had a reservation cancelled by Disney because the of the owner breaching commercial renting rules. It was the renter who made the post. DVC rental store confirmed this on Facebook and were trying to help them. A second person on the same thread said it had also happened to them but I never followed the thread to see if this was verified.

This was then discussed on these boards and (as also stated by Sandisw) was confirmed by the broker again!

I never saved or screenshotted the original thread, or did any research into the renter affected by this to get 'proof', but many of us read it both on there and on here. The fact that you didn't read it doesn't mean it is conjecture.

 

[muppets3d]

Word is DVC have outright cancelled some commercial reservations with little or no notice. That would be fun.

Receipts?

 

[eticketplease]

The problem is that some of us did read this! I read on Facebook that a renter who was with DVC rental store had a reservation cancelled by Disney because the of the owner breaching commercial renting rules. It was the renter who made the post. DVC rental store confirmed this on Facebook and were trying to help them. A second person on the same thread said it had also happened to them but I never followed the thread to see if this was verified.

I understand that this was posted but do we think Disney is going to give the renter the reason it was cancelled?
Does Disney notify the renter that their reservation is cancelled because they failed to abide by the contract and pay the owner on time and therefore the owner cancelled it?
I doubt Disney is giving details on why a reservation was cancelled.

Certainly possible not saying it isn't but why wouldn't we have heard from more people then this 1 and possibly 2? If they were commercial rentals do you not think we would have had a slew of them cancelled for that reason by now?

 

[Noodlez]

I understand that this was posted but do we think Disney is going to give the renter the reason it was cancelled?
Does Disney notify the renter that their reservation is cancelled because they failed to abide by the contract and pay the owner on time and therefore the owner cancelled it?
I doubt Disney is giving details on why a reservation was cancelled.

Certainly possible not saying it isn't but why wouldn't we have heard from more people then this 1 and possibly 2? If they were commercial rentals do you not think we would have had a slew of them cancelled for that reason by now?

None of us know for certain, and I doubt that the broker is going to give us the details of the renter or owner to allow us to interrogate them! However, it would be a very odd reason for a renter to make up as I’m sure not many even know about the commercial renting clause. It would be even stranger for the broker to confirm this as the reason if they had any doubts that it was true when it could make future renters nervous. I have no reason to believe they were lying.

Maybe there are just fewer commercial rentals than we are assuming? If DVC have defined this as more than 20 per year per membership, then maybe prolific renters are taking steps to avoid breaking this rule. If one person gets a contract in each use year that would allow for 160 rentals! If they also get some contracts with a spouse on, some with a child on etc this multiplies it every time. Maybe this is why the terminology has changed to state a pattern of rental activity. I really don’t know, but they have stated that they are going to crack down further on it.

 

[Brian Noble]

The broker can't know anything the points owner didn't tell them. DVC won't give them any information at all.

The only possible source is the points owner---and then filter that through the Telephone Game.

 

[eticketplease]

The broker can't know anything the points owner didn't tell them. DVC won't give them any information at all.

The only possible source is the points owner---and then filter that through the Telephone Game.

Unless we have a party line

 

[ehh]

The broker can't know anything the points owner didn't tell them. DVC won't give them any information at all.

The only possible source is the points owner---and then filter that through the Telephone Game.

And what if the points owner is (or is affiliated with) the broker?