PVB Tower Charts, Sales Date and more!!!

So a few things....

DVC sales seems to have gotten more aggressive in recent months... They are following a lot more of the "timeshare" things - "member update meetings", more aggressive (though still mild compared to many others) tactics, etc.

Also, I think the "novelty" of buying a MK/Monorail resort is starting to wane... You had your opportunity to buy BLT, then you had your opportunity to buy VGF, then you had your opportunity to buy Poly, then you could buy VGF again... Keep in mind to sell VGF out the second time, they had to get quite aggressive with sales...

Now here we are, selling on the monorail again. Especially for repeat buyers, I imagine it is a shrinking pool of folks who need a second resort on the monorail loop... Add to that DVC doesn't do a buyback/trade-in program, and it isn't like people can say "how can I trade in my SSR points and turn them into Poly points"...

They may fare better with the new buyer market. I personally think DVC is pricing so many people out... it has always been expensive, but it has become so expensive PP and the points don't go as far as they used to.

And then you have to wonder how things would have played out if it had been a new association.

If that had happen, maybe some who were going to add on, but are currently waiting a bit to see if pricing gets better, would have bought because resale would not have been an option?
 
And then you have to wonder how things would have played out if it had been a new association.

If that had happen, maybe some who were going to add on, but are currently waiting a bit to see if pricing gets better, would have bought because resale would not have been an option?

Data point: I am going to be a new buyer and may not have considered it if it were a new association. Being able to book longhouse studios is what I'm after and I'm not really interested in messing around with resale.
 
Data point: I am going to be a new buyer and may not have considered it if it were a new association. Being able to book longhouse studios is what I'm after and I'm not really interested in messing around with resale.

Oh, I am not saying that there aren’t people who are buying and happy with the decision.

But, we will never know how many people aren’t buying at this price point to right now, because of it.

As a side note, while you are buying because it’s the same, we are not because we only want the tower and didn’t want it combined.

Now, association aside, when or if they get the price down, I am sure it will sway people back to direct ..but it just seems that there were a lot of posts about people ready to buy day one and now we see less who see it as a rush.

When BPK went on sale and the price came out lower than some expected, the boards blew up with people who bought day one.
 
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They can adjust sales incentives any time they want.

People have gotten smart with DVD and delay closing by spreading out payment for 90 days with DVD having allowed buyers to rewrite contracts with new incentives.

So, some buyers will end up with new ones if they get better

If DVD knows that demand for cash rooms was decent prior to sales starting, then they won’t be in any rush to sell.

I too believe that outside of the first few months, this project is going to sell in line with other resorts and that sales will be to the resort that seems the best financial choice for new buyers who don’t have a preference.
This makes me a bit nervous. What’s the 90-day rule with closings…can I spread final payment out to align with overlap for a potential Black Friday or new incentives to
Be released?
 
This makes me a bit nervous. What’s the 90-day rule with closings…can I spread final payment out to align with overlap for a potential Black Friday or new incentives to
Be released?
Technically, this is at DVC's discretion (versus the 10 day right of rescission which is the law) but my guide and others indicated that if you elect for a 90 day close with payments spread throughout, you will be able to change any of the terms (changing resorts, adding points, or implementing better incentives if they come along) as long as it is before the contract closes. We did a deposit plus 30/60/90 day payments.

We applied incentives to one of my contracts outside of the 10 day period earlier this year.

I would get this in writing from your guide, but it was an option as of a few months ago.
 
Technically, this is at DVC's discretion (versus the 10 day right of rescission which is the law) but my guide and others indicated that if you elect for a 90 day close with payments spread throughout, you will be able to change any of the terms (changing resorts, adding points, or implementing better incentives if they come along) as long as it is before the contract closes. We did a deposit plus 30/60/90 day payments.

We applied incentives to one of my contracts outside of the 10 day period earlier this year.

I would get this in writing from your guide, but it was an option as of a few months ago.
I hope someone tries to get it in writing. Would potentially tell us if DVC realizes that it may need to offer more incentives sometime before the need of the year.
 
I hope someone tries to get it in writing. Would potentially tell us if DVC realizes that it may need to offer more incentives sometime before the need of the year.
I doubt a guide would be dumb enough to put something so definitive in writing....

you might get something like disney often will let us do that, but it isn't guaranteed.

my previous guide wouldn't even respond ever in writing. he'd always call me to follow up with questions.
 
I doubt a guide would be dumb enough to put something so definitive in writing....

you might get something like disney often will let us do that, but it isn't guaranteed.

my previous guide wouldn't even respond ever in writing. he'd always call me to follow up with questions.

My guide put it in email back in June when I bought my direct contract, and not with a “maybe” clause. This makes me believe it is more a standard (but not advertised) policy than we think.

ETA here was his exact wording:
“You are correct on all aspects. We could do this over 30/60/90 and if incentives are better we can do a modification. This would not require a rewrite. If Poly drops and you decide you want to switch over to that resort we would rewrite the contract and move escrow over. The key is that it does not fully close prior to the opening sale of Poly.“
 
Oh, I am not saying that there aren’t people who are buying and happy with the decision.

But, we will never know how many people aren’t buying at this price point to right now, because of it.

As a side note, while you are buying because it’s the same, we are not because we only want the tower and didn’t want it combined.

I think DVD was willing to sacrifice the sales to "those adding on/buying only if it's a new association" in order to have a better product for new buyers. Offering the ENTIRE poly resort, on the monorail is a more attractive product. Furthermore, I don't think they're sweating the low sales over at Fort Wilderness. I half wonder if they plans all along were to incorporate them into Reflections but thanks to timing/pandemic/maybe Chapek? they had to switch the order of operations. Regardless, that plan works there bc they were able to start selling the cabins as restricted points.

Now, association aside, when or if they get the price down, I am sure it will sway people back to direct ..but it just seems that there were a lot of posts about people ready to buy day one and now we see less who see it as a rush.

When BPK went on sale and the price came out lower than some expected, the boards blew up with people who bought day one.
This is the key - it's the price. We saw this with BPK at the end when they were pushing to sell it out - if they have to move Poly points in a year, they know how to do it.
 
So a few things....

DVC sales seems to have gotten more aggressive in recent months... They are following a lot more of the "timeshare" things - "member update meetings", more aggressive (though still mild compared to many others) tactics, etc.
That's a bit of a reach. DVC has done various member meetings for decades. I can't remember the timeframe but minimum 10 years ago they went thru a period of holding afternoon meetings at Top of the World Lounge. For many, many years they held weekly update meetings Wednesdays at Atlantic Dance Hall. There have always been scattered reports of guides giving out sketchy information. Just because someone is either misinformed or desperate to make a sale doesn't mean there have been philosophical changes handed-down at an institutional level.

Also, I think the "novelty" of buying a MK/Monorail resort is starting to wane... You had your opportunity to buy BLT, then you had your opportunity to buy VGF, then you had your opportunity to buy Poly, then you could buy VGF again... Keep in mind to sell VGF out the second time, they had to get quite aggressive with sales...
Parents who are age 25-40 today were in their teens when BLT and Poly were last selling.

I really don't get all of the hand-wringing about what DVC is allegedly doing wrong.

- DVC has ALWAYS been expensive, not affordable to all
- Even in today's economy, there are plenty of people with the money to do it. Young and old.
- Today's Poly prices are a starting point. They'll go up. They may go down.
- The "aggressive prices" on VGF had everything to do with the fact that all of the rooms were declared into the condo association and DVC wasn't making any money on unsold points. That won't happen here. Disney can rent Island Tower rooms for $800+ per night and be quite content with slow-and-steady DVC sales.

DVC WILL sell all of the Poly points. It's really just a question of how much they make on each point vs how long it takes to sell.
 
That's a bit of a reach. DVC has done various member meetings for decades. I can't remember the timeframe but minimum 10 years ago they went thru a period of holding afternoon meetings at Top of the World Lounge. For many, many years they held weekly update meetings Wednesdays at Atlantic Dance Hall. There have always been scattered reports of guides giving out sketchy information. Just because someone is either misinformed or desperate to make a sale doesn't mean there have been philosophical changes handed-down at an institutional level.
What I can say is, in recent months, compared to about two years ago when we began seriously exploring memberships:
- Sales on the DCL chips have gotten pushier - and have included new "must buy now/only good here" promotions.
- They have added the member meetings, and have pushed the member meetings with "space is limited, you must sign up now"
- There has been a lot more follow up/reaching out to us

I can't speak to what was done in the 1990s or even PreCovid for that matter. What I can say is since I have become involved in DVC I have seen a sense of urgency and a desire for follow up increase. I have suspected this is part of the DVC 2.0 plans, whatever those are.

- DVC has ALWAYS been expensive, not affordable to all
- Even in today's economy, there are plenty of people with the money to do it. Young and old.
- Today's Poly prices are a starting point. They'll go up. They may go down.
Absolutely, but putting the costs into a basic inflation calculator does not negate my point. Additionally, looking at an OKW points chart compared to the Poly 2 points chart does not negate my point. You can tell me they are different experiences, and that Poly might well be worth a point premium, you can also tell me that cash rates at WDW have outpaced inflation. That's fine, it does not negate my point which was the buyer pool may be shrinking as both supply and costs go up - and those costs buy you less of a room than yesterday.
DVC WILL sell all of the Poly points. It's really just a question of how much they make on each point vs how long it takes to sell.
I don't think anyone is questioning that. As they say, the mouse always wins.
 
What I can say is, in recent months, compared to about two years ago when we began seriously exploring memberships:
- Sales on the DCL chips have gotten pushier - and have included new "must buy now/only good here" promotions.
- They have added the member meetings, and have pushed the member meetings with "space is limited, you must sign up now"
- There has been a lot more follow up/reaching out to us

I can't speak to what was done in the 1990s or even PreCovid for that matter. What I can say is since I have become involved in DVC I have seen a sense of urgency and a desire for follow up increase. I have suspected this is part of the DVC 2.0 plans, whatever those are.
Special offers on DCL are also nothing new. There was a time when people would actually ask on the DIS "is it worth booking a short Disney cruise so I can buy DVC with the on-board offer?"

Perhaps we have different definitions of "pushy." Over time, you'll probably find that DVC's sales approaches are more cyclical. None of this is particularly new. I don't know what sort of relationship you have with your guide. If you've made inquiries specifically about the tower, follow-up should be expected. I haven't seen any evidence to suggest that members are being badgered to add-on.

Absolutely, but putting the costs into a basic inflation calculator does not negate my point. Additionally, looking at an OKW points chart compared to the Poly 2 points chart does not negate my point. You can tell me they are different experiences, and that Poly might well be worth a point premium, you can also tell me that cash rates at WDW have outpaced inflation. That's fine, it does not negate my point which was the buyer pool may be shrinking as both supply and costs go up - and those costs buy you less of a room than yesterday.

I don't think anyone is questioning that. As they say, the mouse always wins.
The buyer pool always is what it proves itself to be. If DVC has to discount to sell at what they believe to be an appropriate pace, they will. I'm not the least bit surprised that they're aiming high with a shiny new tower pointed right at the Magic Kingdom.
 
this is my guess as well, but I assume that DVC owners some how have to foot the bill?
In the annual budgets, DVC list the insurance budget for each resort. Unsure if this is just members paying Disney to self-insure or actual outside insurance. Anyway, the most expensive resorts in terms of insurance are, not surprisingly, VB then HH then VGC (probably the added cost of earthquake insurance?) and then AUL.
 
Do any of you worry about Disney’s ability to continue to obtain insurance at affordable rates, given the natural disaster history in Florida? Sometimes I wonder if California is a better long term buy for me if I seek direct points.
VGC (at least in the 2022 report) had the third highest insurance budget of any DVC, beat out only by VB and HH. My guess: added earthquake insurance.
 
DVC Vero Beach is fine, but Indian River County as a whole is not doing well. They had 4 tornadoes touchdown, flooding, and some of their roads are impassable. Had that hurricane made landfall slightly further north, I think it’s fair to say that DVC-Vero could have been impacted. I think those two costal properties definitely carry a risk.
 



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