CastAStone
Math and business nerd. Not an insider.
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- Jun 25, 2019
I do think part of future dues is predictable based on the inherent attributes of the property.
I have assumed SSR (and to a extent, OKW) dues are low per room night because they were built in a 3 story condo style format, which is by far the most cost efficient format for maintenance and upkeep. There’s a reason that Super 8 and Motel 6 and similar hotels are most often three stories tall. Not to mention the all stars and the moderates.
SSR also has outdoor-ish hallways that don’t require heating and less intense cleaning. Less common area equals lower dues.
As @i<3riviera pointed out, Poly and VGF are low in part because the points per room are so high. As I showed in the below, the dues per room night for these resorts are actually on the higher side.
VB and HHI Will always be higher than all of the other resorts for intrinsic reasons around insurance costs and damage. For these reasons, they will also almost certainly increase at rates higher than all of the other resorts, in perpetuity.
@i<3riviera posted some links in another thread on timeshare economics yesterday, and one of the things I noticed in one of the documents was that across the industry, the ocean resorts have the highest dues rate increases, Hawaii being the worst.
I wonder if in the long run, the bungalows may have some of these same issues. As Doctor Who said, water always wins.
So to answer Your question @Pluto777, I don’t think it’s unpredictable, I think buying those resorts is going to give you ever increasing annual dues, and in the long run you will regret buying there, unless you’re buying there to stay there. If you want cheap, buy at Saratoga Springs.
I have assumed SSR (and to a extent, OKW) dues are low per room night because they were built in a 3 story condo style format, which is by far the most cost efficient format for maintenance and upkeep. There’s a reason that Super 8 and Motel 6 and similar hotels are most often three stories tall. Not to mention the all stars and the moderates.
SSR also has outdoor-ish hallways that don’t require heating and less intense cleaning. Less common area equals lower dues.
As @i<3riviera pointed out, Poly and VGF are low in part because the points per room are so high. As I showed in the below, the dues per room night for these resorts are actually on the higher side.
Annual Average Dues per Night, Sorted by Price
This is based on the average dues per night one would pay if you had exactly enough points to stay every night in that room style for a year.
Resort Room Type View Average Dues per Room Night AKV Deluxe Studio Value $ 81.31 SSR Deluxe Studio Standard $ 98.03 BWV Deluxe Studio Standard $ 102.95 OKW Deluxe Studio Standard $ 107.63 AKV Deluxe Studio Standard $ 111.54 SSR Deluxe Studio Preferred $ 113.17 BLT Deluxe Studio Standard $ 117.54 BCV Deluxe Studio Standard $ 122.81 CCV Deluxe Studio Standard $ 128.74 RVA Tower Standard $ 130.15 BWV Deluxe Studio Boardwalk/Pool $ 130.65 BLT Deluxe Studio Lake $ 133.38 BRV Deluxe Studio Standard $ 135.34 AKV Deluxe Studio Savannah $ 139.61 VGF Deluxe Studio Standard $ 141.53 Poly Deluxe Studio Standard $ 147.43 BLT Deluxe Studio MK $ 161.00 RVA Deluxe Studio Standard $ 161.22 VGF Deluxe Studio Lake $ 165.82 AKV One-Bedroom Value $ 172.53 AKV Deluxe Studio Club $ 174.88 Poly Deluxe Studio Lake $ 175.64 RVA Deluxe Studio Preferred $ 199.56 SSR One-Bedroom Standard $ 203.17 BWV One-Bedroom Standard $ 208.14 AKV One-Bedroom Standard $ 221.86 OKW One-Bedroom Standard $ 222.40 BLT One-Bedroom Standard $ 227.69 AKV Two-Bedroom Value $ 230.92 SSR One-Bedroom Preferred $ 232.38 BCV One-Bedroom Standard $ 247.92 SSR Two-Bedroom Standard $ 257.37 BLT One-Bedroom Lake $ 257.82 BWV One-Bedroom Boardwalk/Pool $ 261.35 CCV One-Bedroom Standard $ 263.55 AKV One-Bedroom Savannah $ 270.46 BRV One-Bedroom Standard $ 275.40 BWV Two-Bedroom Standard $ 286.33 VGF One-Bedroom Standard $ 287.18 AKV Two-Bedroom Standard $ 287.22 OKW Two-Bedroom Standard $ 301.84 BLT Two-Bedroom Standard $ 305.37 SSR Two-Bedroom Preferred $ 307.98 BLT One-Bedroom MK $ 310.61 SSR Treehouse Standard $ 322.09 BCV Two-Bedroom Standard $ 323.95 RVA One-Bedroom Standard $ 334.95 BLT Two-Bedroom Lake $ 336.63 BWV Two-Bedroom Boardwalk/Pool $ 339.52 CCV Two-Bedroom Standard $ 341.24 VGF One-Bedroom Lake $ 345.66 BRV Two-Bedroom Standard $ 356.25 AKV One-Bedroom Club $ 361.13 AKV Two-Bedroom Savannah $ 366.47 VGF Two-Bedroom Standard $ 395.48 BLT Two-Bedroom MK $ 410.55 RVA One-Bedroom Preferred $ 417.41 RVA Two-Bedroom Standard $ 438.74 VGF Two-Bedroom Lake $ 468.28 OKW Grand Villa Standard $ 476.49 AKV Two-Bedroom Club $ 486.58 RVA Two-Bedroom Preferred $ 531.88 SSR Grand Villa Standard $ 565.50 SSR Grand Villa Preferred $ 646.79 AKV Grand Villa Standard $ 669.47 BLT Grand Villa Lake $ 715.67 BWV Grand Villa Boardwalk/Pool $ 725.79 AKV Grand Villa Savannah $ 732.54 CCV Cabin Standard $ 852.11 BLT Grand Villa MK $ 860.94 CCV Grand Villa Standard $ 899.26 VGF Grand Villa Lake $ 948.74 Poly Bungalow Lake $ 998.03 RVA Grand Villa Standard $ 1,088.10
VB and HHI Will always be higher than all of the other resorts for intrinsic reasons around insurance costs and damage. For these reasons, they will also almost certainly increase at rates higher than all of the other resorts, in perpetuity.
@i<3riviera posted some links in another thread on timeshare economics yesterday, and one of the things I noticed in one of the documents was that across the industry, the ocean resorts have the highest dues rate increases, Hawaii being the worst.
I wonder if in the long run, the bungalows may have some of these same issues. As Doctor Who said, water always wins.
So to answer Your question @Pluto777, I don’t think it’s unpredictable, I think buying those resorts is going to give you ever increasing annual dues, and in the long run you will regret buying there, unless you’re buying there to stay there. If you want cheap, buy at Saratoga Springs.