Poly Resale owner, talk me out of Riviera Direct

[Tatebeck]

Do you really think it’ll be much different in 2043?
I always feel like it’s not that big of a deal because all of the 2042 points won’t be in the system anymore, but I guess if there is 7 more restricted resorts added it may be a bigger issue than I think. lol

I don't think it is necessarily a problem. It will just be the opposite of right now. Instead of a bunch of less restricted resale options and a a few restricted, there will be mostly restricted options with a few older resorts that are still unrestricted. But those unrestricted resorts will also have the shortest expirations like the 2042 resorts do today.

So I just think that eventually, reselling restricted resorts won't really be as big of a problem as some think it will, especially after 2042. Unless nobody wants to buy into DVC at all at that point but that would be a bigger and very different problem

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

Just thinking out loud here, 2043 for grandfathered/direct points will be SS, VGF, RR, CC, LSL, CFW, VGC, VDH, AU, AK, Poly/PIT, BLT. I'm thinking maybe the AU points may still be floating in the WDW pool being used in FL v HI, but VGC/VDH strikes me as mostly being used in CA and not an issue.

SS is resold so often, locked out of RR/VDH/CFW/LSL, that may be actually difficult to get into to stay there at SS if you don't own there, ironically! The resort of last resort may become its own sort of destination with its reasonable point chart, gorgeous GVs, and proximity to Disney Springs for Disney Adults/DINKs.

VGF studios could become very difficult to get 24/7, no matter the price point, as with the OG Poly studios. I think those Poly studios will look like a bargain for larger families/older kids and those wanting MK magical stays.

RR, any Tower Studios or standard view studios will be gone 24/7, and with the inflated PIT chart, I think the RR 1B/2B/GV will start to look like a semi bargain in comparison, plus it's the only Epcot-area resort (at least for now.)

AK could become the new SS, with everyone with resale points staying there for the most affordable point charts. BLT may be in that spot, too, as a monorail resort with affordable point charts. CC, I am not sure about. Unless they flip another floor soon and add it to CC, there's not a ton of rooms to grab given its size. I think it stays tight to get in there but not impossible.

LSL/CFW is going to be a HUGE resort, but if the point chart/room styles with the extra bathroom mirror VDH/PIT, IDK if it's going to be as popular to swap in and out of there as SS is. Plus, I think SS being so close to DS is a bigger draw than LSL being at FW and a boat ride away to MK, but maybe that's my bias showing.

If DVC continues to open a new resort every two years, that means another eight resorts coming by 2042. If they all have restrictions, and probably at least one of them will be VDH part 2 for Disney Forward expansion, another seven will be at WDW.

They're really building up MK, but DINKs tend to go more to Epcot/HS. I could see them cannibalizing another portion of Caribbean Beach for Riviera 2.0 expansion. I'm wondering if there's room to put a more HS-adjacent DVC?

Buy where you want to stay/don't mind being "stuck" and where dues aren't going to explode is going to be a much bigger deal than it is now, I think. Could be an interesting reshuffling of the deck with a much smaller pool of grandfathered/direct points that can trade into CC, BLT, VGF, AK, Poly/PIT, SS, AU, VGC.

 

[Patmcpsu]

AK could become the new SS, with everyone with resale points staying there for the most affordable point charts. BLT may be in that spot, too, as a monorail resort with affordable point charts. CC, I am not sure about. Unless they flip another floor soon and add it to CC, there's not a ton of rooms to grab given its size. I think it stays tight to get in there but not impossible.

AK will become in demand again after it's refurbished. It's a cool hotel, but its rooms are currently the worst in the DVC portfolio. After the room situation is corrected, the only thing going against AK will be its location and slightly-high maintenance fees. I could see availability at 7 months for AK becoming difficult; especially for Jambo House. It may be savvy to buy a contract there now (which may explain why it's the one resort that DVC is currently ROFR'ing).

CC has an obvious and relatively simple solution: raise the cost of the studios and lower the cost of the cabins (Florida law allows this). Its points chart is simply out of whack.

 

[Sandisw]

Do you really think it’ll be much different in 2043?
I always feel like it’s not that big of a deal because all of the 2042 points won’t be in the system anymore, but I guess if there is 7 more restricted resorts added it may be a bigger issue than I think. lol

I think what will be interesting is that the resorts going out in 2042 are among the most popular for those who want to trade out.

Losing BWV, BCV, and BRV is going to have some impact on those who want to trade from places like SSR or OKW to resorts closer to parks.

So, in that sense, I can see that it could be a bit frustrating.

 

[Chili327]

Just thinking out loud here, 2043 for grandfathered/direct points will be SS, VGF, RR, CC, LSL, CFW, VGC, VDH, AU, AK, Poly/PIT, BLT. I'm thinking maybe the AU points may still be floating in the WDW pool being used in FL v HI, but VGC/VDH strikes me as mostly being used in CA and not an issue.

SS is resold so often, locked out of RR/VDH/CFW/LSL, that may be actually difficult to get into to stay there at SS if you don't own there, ironically! The resort of last resort may become its own sort of destination with its reasonable point chart, gorgeous GVs, and proximity to Disney Springs for Disney Adults/DINKs.

VGF studios could become very difficult to get 24/7, no matter the price point, as with the OG Poly studios. I think those Poly studios will look like a bargain for larger families/older kids and those wanting MK magical stays.

RR, any Tower Studios or standard view studios will be gone 24/7, and with the inflated PIT chart, I think the RR 1B/2B/GV will start to look like a semi bargain in comparison, plus it's the only Epcot-area resort (at least for now.)

AK could become the new SS, with everyone with resale points staying there for the most affordable point charts. BLT may be in that spot, too, as a monorail resort with affordable point charts. CC, I am not sure about. Unless they flip another floor soon and add it to CC, there's not a ton of rooms to grab given its size. I think it stays tight to get in there but not impossible.

LSL/CFW is going to be a HUGE resort, but if the point chart/room styles with the extra bathroom mirror VDH/PIT, IDK if it's going to be as popular to swap in and out of there as SS is. Plus, I think SS being so close to DS is a bigger draw than LSL being at FW and a boat ride away to MK, but maybe that's my bias showing.

If DVC continues to open a new resort every two years, that means another eight resorts coming by 2042. If they all have restrictions, and probably at least one of them will be VDH part 2 for Disney Forward expansion, another seven will be at WDW.

They're really building up MK, but DINKs tend to go more to Epcot/HS. I could see them cannibalizing another portion of Caribbean Beach for Riviera 2.0 expansion. I'm wondering if there's room to put a more HS-adjacent DVC?

Buy where you want to stay/don't mind being "stuck" and where dues aren't going to explode is going to be a much bigger deal than it is now, I think. Could be an interesting reshuffling of the deck with a much smaller pool of grandfathered/direct points that can trade into CC, BLT, VGF, AK, Poly/PIT, SS, AU, VGC.

I think what will be interesting is that the resorts going out in 2042 are among the most popular for those who want to trade out.

Losing BWV, BCV, and BRV is going to have some impact on those who want to trade from places like SSR or OKW to resorts closer to parks.

So, in that sense, I can see that it could be a bit frustrating.

Interesting takes...
I am skeptical about buying more AKV (because of the dues), but I do love the idea of it being by SAP+ in 15+ years!! (if dues get out of control, my 2nd choice seems to be OKW)

Also, I'm sure something DVC will return for BCV, BWV & BRV, I can't imagine them going away completely, just non-DVC hotels.
Renovating BWV makes sense, Building a tower at BCV makes sense, & just re-selling BRV makes sense (to me)

For now I'm just going to add on at places like BWV, CCV, & BLT... with the intention of adding something else in the crescent lake area as we get closer to 2042, or beyond.

 

[Brian Noble]

I am skeptical about buying more AKV (because of the dues), but I do love the idea of it being by SAP+ in 15+ years!! (if dues get out of control, my 2nd choice seems to be OKW)

Why isn't it SSR? Lower dues, and neither OKW nor SSR particularly needs the home resort period.

 

[Chili327]

Why isn't it SSR? Lower dues, and neither OKW nor SSR particularly needs the home resort period.

Because SSR isn't a "+"
Honestly I've never been there so I can't really say I don't like it, but SSR is SAP, not SAP+ (for me), the plus is all about where you want to stay.

 

[eticketplease]

Why isn't it SSR? Lower dues, and neither OKW nor SSR particularly needs the home resort period.

It is the the number one SAP for me with a low buy in and low dues.

Can take advantage of the low point charts at the 42 resorts for all but 12 years.

It also provides the most amount of resorts to stay at resale wise as the original 14 properties will continue to dwindle.
Some still say CCV is SAP material but in the last 2 years you can only stay there where as SSR you can stay at 9 properties.

 

[Chili327]

It is the the number one SAP for me with a low buy in and low dues.

Can take advantage of the low point charts at the 42 resorts for all but 12 years.

It also provides the most amount of resorts to stay at resale wise as the original 14 properties will continue to dwindle.
Some still say CCV is SAP material but in the last 2 years you can only stay there where as SSR you can stay at 9 properties.

What does this mean? (bolded about CCV)

Also the difference between SAP and SAP+ is mainly just a personal preference.

 

[eticketplease]

What does this mean? (bolded about CCV)

Also the difference between SAP and SAP+ is mainly just a personal preference.

Some people were buying CCV as SAP as the buyin was on the lower side compared to how many years were left and the dues are decent.

I like CCV but I would rather buy it to stay there than to use as SAP since the amount of properties keeps going down.

 

[Frugal Fairy Tales]

What does this mean? (bolded about CCV)

Also the difference between SAP and SAP+ is mainly just a personal preference.

I’m guessing it means for the last 2 years of the CCV contract (expires 2068) it will be the last remaining OG 14 resort, so CCV resale can’t trade out to anywhere for those 2 years.

 

[Chili327]

Some people were buying CCV as SAP as the buyin was on the lower side compared to how many years were left and the dues are decent.

I like CCV but I would rather buy it to stay there than to use as SAP since the amount of properties keeps going down.

Ahh, gotcha. Yea, I’d definitely put at the top of my list for places to stay… so cheap dues and if you get it for good price it is hard to beat.

I’m guessing it means for the last 2 years of the CCV contract (expires 2068) it will be the last remaining OG 14 resort, so CCV resale can’t trade out to anywhere for those 2 years.

That makes sense, luckily (or unluckily) for me I won’t live that long… and if I do, even better!

 

[ShaneDJ]

In 2043...

RR (RIV), any Tower Studios or standard view studios will be gone 24/7, and with the inflated PIT chart, I think the RR 1B/2B/GV will start to look like a semi bargain in comparison, plus it's the only Epcot-area resort (at least for now.)

That is what we are thinking also. We love the Epcot/HS area, and we love BWV. And we are also planning for the 2042 expiration of BWV.

All of the RIV resale buyers will be forced to ONLY book at the RIV. I think that booking RIV will simply get harder and harder over time.

So for that scenario, RIV will look like a bargain in 2043. And though the RIV price chart might look a bit high now, it will seem like a bargain then (compared to what 2043 price charts that DVC comes up with then).

Even today, the RIV point chart looks good compared to the insane Poly2/PIT price chart that they just released. And with the RIV, we get some level of luxury and it's in the Epcot area.

The common phrase we see repeated here on DISboards is: "I wish I would have bought sooner."

We won't make that mistake again.

So our plan (17 years in advance now!) is to have RIV locked-in to our portfolio to address the 2042 BWV expiration (and whatever crazy point charts that DVC has then).

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

That is what we are thinking also. We love the Epcot/HS area, and we love BWV. And we are also planning for the 2042 expiration of BWV.

All of the RIV resale buyers will be forced to ONLY book at the RIV. I think that booking RIV will simply get harder and harder over time.

So for that scenario, RIV will look like a bargain in 2043. And though the RIV price chart might look a bit high now, it will seem like a bargain then (compared to what 2043 price charts that DVC comes up with then).

Even today, the RIV point chart looks good compared to the insane Poly2/PIT price chart that they just released. And with the RIV, we get some level of luxury and it's in the Epcot area.

The common phrase we see repeated here on DISboards is: "I wish I would have bought sooner."

We won't make that mistake again.

So our plan (17 years in advance now!) is to have RIV locked-in to our portfolio to address the 2042 BWV expiration (and whatever crazy point charts that DVC has then).

that is one of the main reasons we ended up buying riveria last fall. We already had a monorail resort and wanted an Epcot resort. The incentives were really good too which pushed us over the edge

 

[atthebeachclub]

That is what we are thinking also. We love the Epcot/HS area, and we love BWV. And we are also planning for the 2042 expiration of BWV.

All of the RIV resale buyers will be forced to ONLY book at the RIV. I think that booking RIV will simply get harder and harder over time.

So for that scenario, RIV will look like a bargain in 2043. And though the RIV price chart might look a bit high now, it will seem like a bargain then (compared to what 2043 price charts that DVC comes up with then).

Even today, the RIV point chart looks good compared to the insane Poly2/PIT price chart that they just released. And with the RIV, we get some level of luxury and it's in the Epcot area.

The common phrase we see repeated here on DISboards is: "I wish I would have bought sooner."

We won't make that mistake again.

So our plan (17 years in advance now!) is to have RIV locked-in to our portfolio to address the 2042 BWV expiration (and whatever crazy point charts that DVC has then).

I agree with all of this though I wouldn’t personally buy there (personal preference).

 

[Adopted By Disney]

I think I would go for RIV if I was in your spot. But in the end it really depends on what you like. Do you really like like RIV? Or the Epcot/HW Studios area? I am assuming for now that you do, so since you have some restricted resale points at RIV already. And it is the only current or (currently confirmed resort) in active sales in the Crescent Lake area.

Direct RIV pairs well with some Resale RIV points. This lets you use resale + some direct for any RIV specific trips to use up the resale points. Then the remaining direct points can be used at RIV or other resorts at 7 months if you wish.

It also depends on if you think you may add more points in the future to the other resort or future resorts. If you think you may eventually end up buying more RIV points as well as buying Poly at some point, it makes more sense to me to have Direct RIV and Resale Poly rather than the reverse. The points are more flexible that way.

This is making me question our Poly 150 points direct as our first contract ha. I feel like we’ll need more points eventually and maybe Riv 150 direct is the way to go.

 

[eticketplease]

I’m guessing it means for the last 2 years of the CCV contract (expires 2068) it will be the last remaining OG 14 resort, so CCV resale can’t trade out to anywhere for those 2 years.

Correct it most likely won’t matter for me but it will for my DS

 

[supercarrie]

This is making me question our Poly 150 points direct as our first contract ha. I feel like we’ll need more points eventually and maybe Riv 150 direct is the way to go.

Have you toured both the Poly and Riviera?

 

[🍀TwinsMom]

Interesting takes...
I am skeptical about buying more AKV (because of the dues), but I do love the idea of it being by SAP+ in 15+ years!! (if dues get out of control, my 2nd choice seems to be OKW)

Also, I'm sure something DVC will return for BCV, BWV & BRV, I can't imagine them going away completely, just non-DVC hotels.
Renovating BWV makes sense, Building a tower at BCV makes sense, & just re-selling BRV makes sense (to me)

For now I'm just going to add on at places like BWV, CCV, & BLT... with the intention of adding something else in the crescent lake area as we get closer to 2042, or beyond.

No, I agree, something will definitely replace BWV/BRV/BCV, but it will be something new and restricted from the "old" resale points still floating in the system and locked out. That's why I'm thinking AK with its large number of rooms and very affordable point chart becomes the "new" SS as people try to get the most affordable rooms. The bonus is the club level, value rooms, savanna, extra bathroom at Kidani, and amazing GVs. Hopefully the food situation stays as good as it is now, because once people realize how good it is, it could be very in demand!

BLT may get more love by then, too, since it's on the monorail. The refurbishment currently going on looks good. Their location is tops, but I think AK as the new SS SAP in 2043 is the sleeper hit. It'll be gravy if Pandora is expanded with James Cameron cranking out these sequels and Zootopia, Tropical Americas, etc., are done well and get folks over there again.

I'm biased as a Riviera/PIT owner, but I do think Riviera is going to look semi affordable in the future. It won't help resale folks trade into there in the post 2043 pool of options, but I think it's "almost" a bargain compared to the PIT chart. I'm thinking LSL will have to match the PIT chart/room style with extra bathroom to warrant the ever-growing buy-in, but that's a tougher sell (to me) being at FW. Who knows, maybe they zhuzh the hell out of FW with the pools and a Tiana's fine dining on the waterfront and get a fleet of boats going to help with transportation, but I'm not optimistic on that yet.