Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[Chili327]

I see you leading their answer as well, in your question the reservation mentioned had already been made and is assumed to be a reservation made within normal booking rules.

But that is all anyone else is doing... Making a res within their allotted 11 month window, & that window is rolling.

 

[Tatebeck]

But that is all anyone else is doing... Making a res within their allotted 11 month window, & that window is rolling.

Part of the question is are they able to actually make a reservation yet. You can't skip to part 2 of a 2 part question and expect a full and completely correct answer

 

[BeachClub2014]

You asked if you "made a reservation outside of that window" which is not what anyone is doing.

Yes, they are. The entire point of walking is because someone wants to secure a reservation, but it's beyond the 11-month window. Right. Can we agree that is why walking exists?

So, they make a reservation outside of that window and then continuously move it forward. That is walking.

That is how I asked it.

 

[Chili327]

Part of the question is are they able to actually make a reservation yet. You can't skip to part 2 of a 2 part question and expect a full and completely correct answer

So you're wondering if someone can make a res 11 months out (+7), and you think we really need to ask them to confirm that?? lol

 

[Sandisw]

I see you leading their answer as well, in your question the reservation mentioned had already been made and is assumed to be a reservation made withing normal booking rules.

That is exactly what we are allowed to do…book any date 11 months away.,, today, everyone was entitled to book November 18th to 25th.

Your contention that is not true which is where I think the interpretation goes wrong

 

[Chili327]

Yes, they are. The entire point of walking is because someone wants to secure a reservation, but it's beyond the 11-month window. Right. Can we agree that is why walking exists?

I would say that yes that is why walking exists, yes. BUT maybe the big difference is that you don't know what the original intent was, so walking may be intended from the beginning or not, maybe they originally intended to go earlier, then changed their plans, who is to say, so in that case i say no, they aren't making a res beyond their 11mo window. But it may turn out that they traveled beyond what the original res was made for.

So, they make a reservation outside of that window and then continuously move it forward. That is walking.

Again. No one is making any reservations outside their window, no one.!!
They are making it INSIDE the window, then rolling it forward, maybe that's the confusion?

That is how I asked it.

And that may be the issue, you asked it wrong, you asked if they could break the rules, so of course the answer is no. lol

 

[Tatebeck]

So you're wondering if someone can make a res 11 months out (+7), and you think we really need to ask them to confirm that?? lol

If their intention is to walk it, yes that is the question. If they do that strictly to modify it to a future date that is currently outside of the 11 month window, does that break the FCFS rules as written.

 

[Chili327]

If their intention is to walk it, yes that is the question. If they do that strictly to modify it to a future date that is currently outside of the 11 month window, does that break the FCFS rules as written.

How would you determine if that was their intention or not?

 

[Chili327]

Yea, if a cast member will do it for you, it is definitely not against the rules. lol

This is going to be my standard answer moving forward on this subject. (with less snark)

 

[Tatebeck]

How would you determine if that was their intention or not?

For a singular question like this? By asking and/or having them tell you of course

 

[BeachClub2014]

I would say that yes that is why walking exists, yes. BUT maybe the big difference is that you don't know what the original intent was, so walking may be intended from the beginning or not, maybe they originally intended to go earlier, then changed their plans, who is to say, so in that case i say no, they aren't making a res beyond their 11mo window. But it may turn out that they traveled beyond what the original res was made for.


Again. No one is making any reservations outside their window, no one.!!
They are making it INSIDE the window, then rolling it forward, maybe that's the confusion?


And that may be the issue, you asked it wrong, you asked if they could break the rules, so of course the answer is no. lol

Not true, but you can twist it that way if you'd like.

 

[tx911]

How would you determine if that was their intention or not?

Come on Chili, we both know why they are doing it. And it's not that they're changing their mind about what week they want to book.

 

[Sandisw]

I see you leading their answer as well, in your question the reservation mentioned had already been made and is assumed to be a reservation made withing normal booking rules.

That is exactly what we are allowed to do…book any date 11 months away.,, today, everyone was entitled to book November 18th to 25th.

Your contention that is not true which is where I think the interpretation goes wrong

But I asked again….can make a date 11 months ahead, can change it as much as I want and there is no penalty. So, I have had three CMs tell them the same things., I can make and modify at will outside of 31 days without any penalty.

 

[Chili327]

For a singular question like this? By asking and/or having them tell you of course

What if their original intent was to go earlier? It definitely happens, i always book Oct, then move it to Nov or to Dec, or even to Jan... not because Jan is hard to book, but because that's when i decided to actually go.

Not true, but you can twist it that way if you'd like.

What not true??

Come on Chili, we both know why they are doing it. And it's not that they're changing their mind about what week they want to book.

Most people, yes, but not everyone, so you can't change it or make a rule that affects innocents, which also disrupts sales. (read my reply up top, i change mine every year)
And back to the point, they have to make a rule because there currently isn't one now.

 

[Sandisw]

Come on Chili, we both know why they are doing it. And it's not that they're changing their mind about what week they want to book.

DVC has acknowledged that people walk and we know the purpose.

But they can’t stop someone from doing it because they didn’t write the rules to prohibit it.

Once they do, then they absolutely can hold people accountable. But the rules as written is what matters and the rules currently do not include a penalty for any modification to a trip outside of 31 days.

That means the reasons for moving a trip are irrelevant when it states that I can cancel or modify a trip outside of 31 days without harm.

Canceling someone’s reservation because they assume a motive is not legal unless they state that is part of the rules.

 

[Chili327]

Perfect example... i have 8 nights booked in October, & plan to go with friends, but their anniversary is in Sept, so they aren't sure they want to (or are able) to go in Oct, a month after they get back from Hawaii... So i may end up changing it to Nov, or Dec, or even January. Am i walking?

 

[Tatebeck]

Perfect example... i have 8 nights booked in October, & plan to go with friends, but their anniversary is in Sept, so they aren't sure they want to (or are able to go) in Oct, a month after they get back from Hawaii... So i may end up changing it to Nov, or Dec, or even January. Am i walking?

You are technically walking if you continually modify it into the 11+7, but you aren't one of the "walkers" most people are talking about.

This situation would be fine under current rules and I think most would agree.

Your intent wasn't to skirt the 11 month window when making the reservation, but you may end up modifying it later, which is definitely allowed.

What is splitting some of us is whether or not the rules technically allow you to make a reservation 11 months away when your *sole* intention is to modify it forward and walk it to a date beyond the 11 month window, skirting current FCFS at 11 month booking rules.

 

[tx911]

Perfect example... i have 8 nights booked in October, & plan to go with friends, but their anniversary is in Sept, so they aren't sure they want to (or are able to go) in Oct, a month after they get back from Hawaii... So i may end up changing it to Nov, or Dec, or even January. Am i walking?

Of course not, that's modifying your reservation as the system intends.

The problem is, if and when they make rules to curtail walking, it will affect "normal" modifications like this as well. Precisely because walking emulates normal modifications, minus the innocence.

 

[Sandisw]

Perfect example... i have 8 nights booked in October, & plan to go with friends, but their anniversary is in Sept, so they aren't sure they want to (or are able to go) in Oct, a month after they get back from Hawaii... So i may end up changing it to Nov, or Dec, or even January. Am i walking?

I book 10 days every December because I intend to go but no idea what dates at 11 months.

I know I am only using 3 or 4 of them..I figure it out later but I book the 10 days from the earliest date which always ends up being canceled.

Some would say that is okay because I know some of the days will be used…some would say that it’s not right because I am holding days I won’t end up using and I know that from the start.

All that matters is what rules DVC decides the home resort rules and regulations should be and per the three CMs I asked tonight, I am still entitled to make a reservation and modify it at will.

 

[Chili327]

You are technically walking if you continually modify it into the 11+7, but you aren't one of the "walkers" most people are talking about.

This situation would be fine under current rules and I think most would agree.

Your intent wasn't to skirt the 11 month window when making the reservation, but you may end up modifying it later, which is definitely allowed.

What is splitting some of us is whether or not the rules technically allow you to make a reservation 11 months away when your *sole* intention is to modify it forward and walk it to a date beyond the 11 month window, skirting current FCFS at 11 month booking rules.

So "technically walking" is still walking, so am I breaking a rule or no? And if so, which rule?

Of course not, that's modifying your reservation as the system intends.

How is walking not modifying?

The problem is, if and when they make rules to curtail walking, it will affect "normal" modifications like this as well. Precisely because walking emulates normal modifications, minus the innocence.

Yes, i think we all agree that a new rule could affect everyone and could be unfortunate, but that doesn't change the fact that walking is not against any rule, because there is no rule against it.