Cruise and Theme Park Operational Updates due to Coronavirus

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andyman8 said:
Certainly and this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of cuts. That said, I think Josh from easyWDW put it best:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1309938869488545794
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I am so desensitized to Disney prices, instead of the $25 drink I notice the other options that are around $10 cheaper and think hey it looks pretty normal.

I agree though, tip of the iceberg. People were called negative and pessimistic for wondering what would be a permanent loss at Disney after all this, but I mean *gestures at staple of their flagship hotel being let go*. This pandemic is going to have huge long lasting effects and nobody is really to blame besides the virus itself.
 
andyman8 said:
Certainly and this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of cuts. That said, I think Josh from easyWDW put it best:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1309938869488545794
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DGsAtBLT said:
I am so desensitized to Disney prices, instead of the $25 drink I notice the other options that are around $10 cheaper and think hey it looks pretty normal.

I agree though, tip of the iceberg. People were called negative and pessimistic for wondering what would be a permanent loss at Disney after all this, but I mean *gestures at staple of their flagship hotel being let go*. This pandemic is going to have huge long lasting effects and nobody is really to blame besides the virus itself.
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Well, they could just close the bar too. I don't pretend to know the logistics behind this decision, but I'm sure it's about saving money where they can. Of course be sad, but I dont really blame Disney.

It sucks to lose things we love. But I mean, when everything shuts down for such an extended amount of time, there's going to be casualties.
I'm heartbroken at the amount of restaurants in Chicago that are closing for good. Well established, popular places. Never coming back. Forget about the live music venues....

It's Covid, it's the shutdown, it's the economy and it sucks. But what can you do? Brush it off and move on.
 
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LSUmiss said:
This. I work for a school district & thought for sure we would be shut down by mid Sept & so far no outbreaks. Masks are required, but I rarely see kids wearing them correctly.
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Meanwhile our state's largest outbreak is due to a university reopening and students not following the guidelines - all 18-22 year olds in that county are now banned from gathering under a public health order and the school has shifted to remote learning. The masks are likely making much more of a positive impact than you may realize.
 
Farro said:
Oh hey! It's me again. :wave: (sorry, I'm home alone today and bored out of my gourd)

So I was watching one of my favorite youtubers and they were at MK this past Wednesday at 2 pm and I'm not kidding when I say the crowds there looked like one of our MK days on our recent October trips. (mask compliance looked fantastic)

I'm not saying they increased capacity, but definitely the locals are showing up! To see the videos from a couple months ago to now is like night and day.
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so (and this is definitely a cheap plug) but we just recording our podcast for this week and we had Len Testa from Touring Plan on and he had just spent 3 hours earlier today in Magic Kingdom and shared some thoughts on this (and using actually figures and things he was counting, etc.)

So he feels that at least at Magic Kingdom they are basically at the capacity they can fit with following social distancing if they don't increase offerings or other things to absorb crowds, that the queues can't take up more of the pedestrian ways at this point

BUT what he said was that "it doesn't feel crowded, it feels alive" and that even with the increased wait times, they are still way lower than normal times and actual wait times are less than posted

He also said he literally counted 1,000 people checking for mask compliance and <=1% were not wearing them properly
 
Farro said:
It's Covid, it's the shutdown, it's the economy and it sucks. But what can you do? Brush it off and move on.
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To a certain extent, I agree with you. Tough decisions like this have to be made at the moment, but the jury is still out what the Disney experience will look like in five or six years. God willing, the packed crowds at Disney prior to March will be back but will some of these "extras" be back? History tells us no. And that's really hard for a lot of these CMs, and I think we could all do a better job of understanding that frustration. Certainly that frustration is not unique to Disney at the moment, but these are the people that you and I expect (not hope, but expect) to routinely go "above and beyond" and they do a lot for us fans. It's easy for us to brush it off when we're removed from it, but for some of these people (who put a lot of emotional energy into what they do), it's really hard. I have not encountered many other workplaces where the employees have quite the level of emotional investment beyond Disney. So sure, decisions like this need to be made but that doesn't mean they are made without consequences to those involved, so I take issue with being told to "brush it off."
 
andyman8 said:
To a certain extent, I agree with you. Tough decisions like this have to be made at the moment, but the jury is still out what the Disney experience will look like in five or six years. God willing, the packed crowds at Disney prior to March will be back but will some of these "extras" be back? History tells us no. And that's really hard for a lot of these CMs, and I think we could all do a better job of understanding that frustration. Certainly that frustration is not unique to Disney at the moment, but these are the people that you and I expect (not hope, but expect) to routinely go "above and beyond" and they do a lot for us fans. It's easy for us to brush it off when we're removed from it, but for some of these people (who put a lot of emotional energy into what they do), it's really hard. I have not encountered many other workplaces where the employees have quite the level of emotional investment beyond Disney. So sure, decisions like this need to be made but that doesn't mean they are made without consequences to those involved, so I take issue with being told to "brush it off."
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I wasn't talking about people losing their jobs should brush it off. I'm talking about people like us being upset that certain things we loved were lost.
I know personally what's it's like to be affected by job loss from Covid, I just don't post about it.

I take issue with what you are insinuating. How did you even go there from my post? I'm quoting what you quoted from Josh, about the bar prices and losing the band and how HE's upset.

It's impossible to have a conversation on this board without people reading into posts things that aren't there.
I try to be friendly, not try to hurt/insult on these boards (with most ;) ), would be nice if others could do the same. It's not fun (kind of embarrassing) to read a post insulting you for something someone misunderstood and then all the people liking it, even using heart faces! :p (but it's okay, I can handle it, as others have too!)
 
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I think the arts industry in general (live music, live theater, perfomance arts, movies, comedy, cinemas, etc) is in for a rough end to 2020 and start to 2021...it won't just be Disney eliminating the "value-added, but not revenue-producing" positions...
 
MrsBooch said:
personally I didn’t take the original post to mean that we should brush off the fact that people have lost their jobs or that this has been frustrating for CM’s - I don’t think that’s fair.
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Everything is open to interpretation. And to answer your previous question, there were cuts in Japan and Britain, not in Mexico. These are generally permanent.

Farro said:
I wasn't talking about people losing their jobs should brush it off. I'm talking about people like us being upset that certain things we loved were lost.
I know personally what's it's like to be affected by job loss from Covid, I just don't post about it.

I take issue with what you are insinuating. How did you even go there from my post? I'm quoting what you quoted from Josh, about the bar prices and losing the band and how HE's upset.

It's impossible to have a conversation on this board without people reading into posts things that aren't there.
I try to be friendly, not try to hurt/insult on these boards (with most ;) ), would be nice if others could do the same. It's not fun to read a post insulting you for something someone misunderstood and then all the people liking it, even using heart faces! :p (but it's okay, I can handle it, as others have too!)
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"It's Covid, it's the shutdown, it's the economy and it sucks. But what can you do? Brush it off and move on."

A reasonable person could interpret that as a somewhat cavalier attitude. Some might not, but I read it that way. I'm glad that that's not what you meant. Most of us try to be friendly, informative, and helpful. I personally try to assume best intentions, listen respectfully, and provide any insights/observations I can. I try -- sometimes unsuccessfully -- to stay out of arguments like this,
but I find that some Disney fans' consideration for CMs to begin and end with if they're in the parks to serve them. I'm not saying that's you at all -- or the majority of folks on here -- and I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.
 
andyman8 said:
Everything is open to interpretation. And to answer your previous question, there were cuts in Japan and Britain, not in Mexico. These are generally permanent.


"It's Covid, it's the shutdown, it's the economy and it sucks. But what can you do? Brush it off and move on."

A reasonable person could interpret that as a somewhat cavalier attitude. Some might not, but I read it that way. I'm glad that that's not what you meant. Most of us try to be friendly, informative, and helpful. I personally try to assume best intentions, listen respectfully, and provide any insights/observations I can. I try -- sometimes unsuccessfully -- to stay out of arguments like this,
but I find that some Disney fans' consideration for CMs to begin and end with if they're in the parks to serve them. I'm not saying that's you at all -- or the majority of folks on here -- and I apologize if I misinterpreted your post.
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Well, I'm not explaining myself again, so you guys can think what you will and nothing I can say will change that. I know what I meant. And also, I do apologize to people if I've liked/laughed at a post that may have made you feel bad, I shouldn't have, and won't again. Do unto others and all that jazz. :)

Ah, to find a message board where I fit in, it's like Goldilocks! :p
 
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With any business they always say to weigh in with your pocketbook and that's clearly not happening. Right or wrong, we mostly have an emotional investment to the Disney experience and keep buying in....either we just can't live without it (in whatever form it's presented to us), or our compassion for the plight of those cast members who have given us such joy, keep us from taking a hard stance. In either case, we are likely complicit re: the cuts to the experience, the permanent job loss to many cast members, and the evolution from the grade A experience to something less than. I don't know that the right answer is, but it's a lousy place that we've found ourselves in. It's an even worse place that those cast members who have enhanced our trips over the years are in.
 
Farro said:
Well, they could just close the bar too. I don't pretend to know the logistics behind this decision, but I'm sure it's about saving money where they can. Of course be sad, but I dont really blame Disney.

It sucks to lose things we love. But I mean, when everything shuts down for such an extended amount of time, there's going to be casualties.
I'm heartbroken at the amount of restaurants in Chicago that are closing for good. Well established, popular places. Never coming back. Forget about the live music venues....

It's Covid, it's the shutdown, it's the economy and it sucks. But what can you do? Brush it off and move on.
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Hmmmm, makes me wonder if this line of thinking had anything to do with the Gov's decision to let restaurants reopen?
Additionally, as you alluded to earlier, it's so exciting to see more restaurants opening, even if they are just the little ice cream shops and bakery's Though I suppose the place in the French Pavilion is hardly a little ice cream shop. I know for the poor folks furloughed it probably can't open soon enough but at least progress is being made.
 
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