Marathon Weekend 2019

[SarahDisney]

Charges are off finally!

Is it crazy to run a marathon on December 8th and then run one on January 13th just for fun and picture stops?? Asking for a friend...LOL.

Not crazy. Tell your friend that she should register.

People: why do you run marathons?
Me: to take pictures with rare characters
People: .....

Same.

 

[PrincessV]

While this is all true, they have switched to monster sized corrals for those past 2:40. IMO, if you will not have a POT faster than 2:40, you should always select 2:45. If you select 2:50 and it puts you just one corral further back, you will be behind more than 5,000 more people than was necessary.

Those corrals are huge. HUGE. I never want to be in one of them again.

You and me both! I've spent way too much "quality" time in those gigantic corrals the past couple years - I darn-near cried tears of joy when rD/Track Shack told me my cruddy 10K time was good enough to just squeak under the 2:45 threshold. I never used to mind being in a non-PoT corral, and that was preferable to racing for time, which I detest, but something about watching 6 waves of your own corral start before I did was incredibly draining.

Last year one of the options was 2:45. Is that option gone? 2:45 did not require a POT last year (or any previous year).

Gone. Only options are 2:45 and under with PoT, or over 2:45 with no PoT.

Charges are off finally!

HOORAY!!!!! So glad to see this!

 

[roxymama]

Ran a random half marathon and pushed to hit under 2:30 and we made it at 2:29:35 and here all I had to do was 2:45

But you did 2:29:35...which on it's own is really exciting and awesome!!!
I ran a 15k few years ago hoping for a number to get a certain corral at a disney half and later realized that the corral paces changed (which I knew could happen) and I didn't need to push so hard afterall. But I'm still proud of that crazy push during that race.

Is it crazy to run a marathon on December 8th and then run one on January 13th just for fun and picture stops?? Asking for a friend...LOL.

Yes. But I also think running a regular marathon on its own is crazy. So I'm the wrong person to ask.
Also I support people being crazy.

I need to go make sure all my account set up is correct now so I'm ready at 11 central.

 

[FFigawi]

Yes. But I also think running a regular marathon on its own is crazy. So I'm the wrong person to ask.
Also I support people being crazy.

That's why you run it with three other races too

 

[TheHamm]

Just keep in mind that the difference between a 2:45 POT, and a 2:45-3:00 estimated finish (assuming this is the first drop down choice for non-POT submission) is probably going to be about 2000 people (or less than 10% of the field based on 2018 weekend) and 5 min in starting time (if measuring front of Corral E (5:59am start) vs front of Corral F (6:04am start)). Again assuming rD doesn't change the corral system too much. So I get the desire to have that submittable POT, but know that it will likely have a very small effect on race day if you submit an estimated finish of 2:45-3:00 vs just making it under the cutoff. So keep that in mind when making decisions about reaching for another 10k race or two this Fall for this purpose.

What you choose will be your corral. If you choose 2:45-3:00, then corral F. If you choose 3:00-3:15, then corral G. If you choose 3:15-3:30, then corral H. Again simple.

While this is all true, they have switched to monster sized corrals for those past 2:40. IMO, if you will not have a POT faster than 2:40, you should always select 2:45. If you select 2:50 and it puts you just one corral further back, you will be behind more than 5,000 more people than was necessary.

Those corrals are huge. HUGE. I never want to be in one of them again.

True the corrals F, G, and H are quite a bit larger and being one corral off (choosing 3:00-3:15 vs 2:45-3:00) is a matter of ~4000 people and about 15% of the field. Totally agree that being in the first corral of non-POT is a big difference than the 2nd non-POT corral.

I'm not sure I see the downside to trying for something slightly better. It does seem better to be in a position where rD estimates me to do a 2:44HM and be in what the table shows to be a smaller corral than a 2:44:35 which may be huge and full of people who will likely have incorrectly corralled themselves (I think people are not great at this inadvertently or not) knowing that I am never going to fight to the front and thus will be all the way in the back. I haven't decided what I will do to train for the half yet, but I imagine putting in a 6 mile run in September will not be terribly difficult, and if my current daily run pace is maintained I would safely be under the cut off based on all the maths. Really, if I could find a 10K that fit with life and family this weekend I think it would be fine, my few timed races of the appropriate length were actually slower than my training runs of the same distance (I understand why).

 

[PrincessV]

I'm not sure I see the downside to trying for something slightly better. It does seem better to be in a position where rD estimates me to do a 2:44HM and be in what the table shows to be a smaller corral than a 2:44:35 which may be huge and full of people who will likely have incorrectly corralled themselves (I think people are not great at this inadvertently or not) knowing that I am never going to fight to the front and thus will be all the way in the back. I haven't decided what I will do to train for the half yet, but I imagine putting in a 6 mile run in September will not be terribly difficult, and if my current daily run pace is maintained I would safely be under the cut off based on all the maths. Really, if I could find a 10K that fit with life and family this weekend I think it would be fine, my few timed races of the appropriate length were actually slower than my training runs of the same distance (I understand why).

If it helps you at all, rD/Track Shack told me my 1:14:27 10K is good for a 2:44:00 half in their book. IDK what kind of crazy math they're using, but I'll take it, lol! 10,000 in one corral was the last straw for me.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Thanks to those for clarifying. So everyone without a POT is lumped into one bucket now? That seems crazy, and I will never run another rD race without a POT again if this is the case.

 

[TheHamm]

If it helps you at all, rD/Track Shack told me my 1:14:27 10K is good for a 2:44:00 half in their book. IDK what kind of crazy math they're using, but I'll take it, lol! 10,000 in one corral was the last straw for me.

WOO HOO! I'll stand next to you with my 1:14:21!

 

[DopeyBadger]

I'm not sure I see the downside to trying for something slightly better. It does seem better to be in a position where rD estimates me to do a 2:44HM and be in what the table shows to be a smaller corral than a 2:44:35 which may be huge and full of people who will likely have incorrectly corralled themselves (I think people are not great at this inadvertently or not) knowing that I am never going to fight to the front and thus will be all the way in the back. I haven't decided what I will do to train for the half yet, but I imagine putting in a 6 mile run in September will not be terribly difficult, and if my current daily run pace is maintained I would safely be under the cut off based on all the maths. Really, if I could find a 10K that fit with life and family this weekend I think it would be fine, my few timed races of the appropriate length were actually slower than my training runs of the same distance (I understand why).

Agreed, and based on the way rD seems to be doing the registration this time around (which was not how I originally thought it was and thanks to others for correcting me there) I'd say definitely go for the POT submittable time.

Edit to add - NVM as it appears you've got that POT based on @PrincessV 's exchange!

Thanks to those for clarifying. So everyone without a POT is lumped into one bucket now? That seems crazy, and I will never run another rD race without a POT again if this is the case.

Agreed!

 

[TheHamm]

Thanks to those for clarifying. So everyone without a POT is lumped into one bucket now? That seems crazy, and I will never run another rD race without a POT again if this is the case.

I think everyone without a POT is left in a bucket to self-seed themselves. I am also not a fan.

 

[PrincessV]

Thanks to those for clarifying. So everyone without a POT is lumped into one bucket now? That seems crazy, and I will never run another rD race without a POT again if this is the case.

Not exactly - technically, there are three spreads form which to choose for a time over 2:45 - there's a pic floating around in here somewhere, but I want to say 2:46-3:00, 3:01-3:15 and 3:16-3:30. But my expectation is that all (or most) of the folks who pick 2:46-3:00 will be in one gigantic corral.

 

[JM735]

Good luck to everyone registering today!!

I had annoyances with registration on Tuesday, but nothing like some others experienced. Regardless, I'm officially signed up for Dopey. Now I need to get back into a more consistent running routine/training plan...

Charges are off finally!

Good! Does that mean you'll be joining the craziness at noon ET today?

 

[DopeyBadger]

If it helps you at all, rD/Track Shack told me my 1:14:27 10K is good for a 2:44:00 half in their book. IDK what kind of crazy math they're using, but I'll take it, lol! 10,000 in one corral was the last straw for me.

Interestingly, that puts it here.



Looks to be more like a 1.06 than a 1.08. Seems they must be using some sort of other adjustment technique then. Crazy math indeed!

 

[rteetz]

Good! Does that mean you'll be joining the craziness at noon ET today?

Yep

 

[OldSlowGoofyGuy]

Is it crazy to run a marathon on December 8th and then run one on January 13th just for fun and picture stops?? Asking for a friend...LOL.

Yes it's crazy, but I've done it several times with Rocket City and Goofy. They were even closer together than that: December 9th and January 3rd. Rocket City was a PR and the Disney marathon was a full 1.5 hours slower.

So if your 'friend' is willing to take it easy and possibly walk the second one, it's doable. I will say it burned me out for a month after that.

Now that I'm looking at my results, I see I also did marathons in 2014/2015 on:
Dec 13
Jan 08
Feb 14
Mar 22
So pretty much 4 in 4 months.

Those alternated PRs and fun runs.

 

[PrincessV]

Seems they must be using some sort of other adjustment technique then. Crazy math indeed!

Right? You know I'm hanging on to that email in case I need to go to Runner Relations, lol!

 

[LSUlakes]

So I submitted a half time of 2:40:01 when I registered yesterday for the full. What's the math on how they convert that to a full? I tried to understand @DopeyBadger screen shot above but have no clue whats going on. I have two potential 10 mile runs that I should be able to run in 1:30:00 or less. Two questions about that, one how much would that time improve my placement and secondly is the updating process similar to years past? Thanks for any help!

 

[lhermiston]

IMPORTANT UPDATE:

The wait is killing me.

 

[Barca33Runner]

Good luck to everyone with registration today. I hope everyone gets the races you want and only the credit card charges you intend.

Wish I was joining in the fun, but my sister signed me up for Dopey during the AP window. So now I get to manage my registration through someone else's account, since rD doesn't seem too keen to relocate my registration to my account. If I'd have known that I would have definitely told her I'd just wait the couple extra days since I'm not too worried about Dopey selling out very quickly this time around.

 

[mankle30]

Just an hour to go! Gotta get my wife and I into the 5k and me into the marathon! Dopey is just too much of a budget buster for me this year!