COSTUMES NO MORE FOR ADULTS!

Retired Security Director for a corporation. So hard to keep my mouth shut and this will be my only post on the subject. This whole thread reminds me of any new security directive that came out in our company and every employee in the entire corporation knew better than the security professionals. Security basically consists of emergency planning, crisis management, physical security and other areas (product, information, etc.).....for physical security it's mainly setting up deterrents. If you have to go through a bag check, have an RFID badge to gain entry, have a locked fence, have a guard at a gate... if you have to go through a metal detector, etc etc etc it may deter someone from doing wrong. Security is never 100%...it's a series of deterrents. This is a net, net. I personally find the Disney Security professionals to be an excellent organization.
 
I think it has nothing to do with terrorists and they just decided to release all the rules at once.

It is for safety because if an older teen or adult wear a very well made costume the line gets blurred between guest and CM. In a well made costume you could walk backstage and no one would question you. Also you could get little kids to walk all with you with little to no fight because he this is Disney and it is special get to walk a character to and from their spot.

I also imagine with some characters going back to the roaming style ala Disneyland it is harder to say exactly who is who.

THIS.

I think there was something that came up via Homeland or whatever that made all these parks to quickly put together some security setup. We don't even see stuff delivered to Disney from other companies so adding an independent firm and uniform to the front gates of MK was no doubt due to last minute planning.

As with other big announcements at Disney (GAC to DAS) they utilize a situation to allow them to bring in to place other rules or enforce the ones they have been ignoring. Been going to Disney World since it opened. There is a huge increase in children wearing Princess gowns to my eyes, and Disney caused that with their product marketing and BBB and M&G. This is good for Disney. But what I've also noticed is more and more teens/adults trying to dress as characters on regular days. Disney has been slack in enforcing the restriction to this activity. Many small children, especially those who don't go often very well could confuse the real and the fake.

And I do believe the backstage issue is a real concern. DD worked there. She had non guests park in CM parking at Epcot and want to get in gate. Obviously they couldn't get in the way it is set up but they were all the way at the CM entry trying to enter. On another occasion she was backstage and an older couple was walking. She stopped them, they were just wandering . She told them it was restricted and escorted them out. Had they been in costume she might not have said anything because it's too big to know everyone.

No teen or adult should be in costume, unless it is a specific costume party, at a place where all employees are in costume, some easy to duplicate. This is not an unreasonable rule or request. But I am hoping they will reconsider for MNSSHP. I think it would be possible to increase security during those events to prevent anything from being brought in under a costume or a guest from sneaking backstage. We don't wear costumes, just very decorated t-shirts and shorts that I wouldn't wear anywhere else. I would think we still could wear our outfits. If they proceed maybe they just need to have more clear restrictions on what is okay and what is not. Many backstage areas are way too easily accessible.

I'm all for increased security at gates, make everyone go through the detectors and have canine CMs working all gates, every day. If they decide no more liquids can be brought in, I'm okay with that. Sadly this is the world we live in. But as the folks in CA just found out a real threat comes from within. Hoping they are working on this at both ends because with the turnover they have, particularly of part time and CPs, they are more vulnerable.
 
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Retired Security Director for a corporation. So hard to keep my mouth shut and this will be my only post on the subject. This whole thread reminds me of any new security directive that came out in our company and every employee in the entire corporation knew better than the security professionals. Security basically consists of emergency planning, crisis management, physical security and other areas (product, information, etc.).....for physical security it's mainly setting up deterrents. If you have to go through a bag check, have an RFID badge to gain entry, have a locked fence, have a guard at a gate... if you have to go through a metal detector, etc etc etc it may deter someone from doing wrong. Security is never 100%...it's a series of deterrents. This is a net, net. I personally find the Disney Security professionals to be an excellent organization.

My mum lived and taught in Pakistan for many years, in a city where (small) bombings/attacks seemed to be so common they were often relegated to one paragraph on the third page of the paper, and people would regularly say, "Well, it's not MY neighbourhood. My neighbourhood is perfectly safe!" Your boss stiffed you on your paycheck? Throw an explosive through the shop window! That store is selling something you consider offensive? Burn it to the ground! That man personally insulted you? Set his home on fire! As long as no one dies, it's not considered news.

She says one of the most effective ways of reducing casualties is by putting in roadblocks. It's not about screening everyone, it's about slowing aggressors down at the entrances to targeted venues. If access can't be gained quickly and easily, then multiple attackers will often split up, opting for easier targets like nearby shops and cafes, and deviating from their original plan. Her school had sandbagged blockades on the road leading to their front door, for this very reason - just to slow people down, and create bottlenecks.

Security is indeed a very complex subject, which I do not understand nearly as well as you. But I do know that the "theatre" aspect of it - the surface show - is FAR from "useless".
 


I'm sure this has been pointed out but this has really been a rule for a long time- Disney is just stepping up enforcement. This does not bother me in the slightest.
 


You have zero understanding of the vastness of Disney's empire. The fact that adults can't wear costumes to a few dozen MNSSHP will not even touch Disney's bottom line. If anything the parties will become more popular because people will think it'll be less crowded not that adults can't wear costumes.
I feel that it would be suicide, if an attack did happen and Disney was percieved as doing nothing to stop it.

This next part is not directed to Indy #1 Fan, only my personal feelings.

I think Disney is trying to do more to protect it's guests without alarming them. We are living in a world that is far different than the world before. Things seem to be changing rapidly, and Disney has to make changes too. As things deteriorate we are seeing what havoc terrorists , copycats, or someone who is not mentally balanced can inflict. Disney can't screen every individual. It isn't like people are going to another country, they are just going to a theme park to spend a day with family and friends. These are some measures WDW has decided to take to try to control what is very difficult. Instead of putting our wants ahead of everyone else, I believe we should try to look at the whole picture. Universal and Sea World are doing the same things. There could be something going on that we are not aware of. Of course if the media was aware of a threat people would stop going to these places and the results would be catastrophic.
Well if it were up to me, this costume rule change would have not happened, neither would getting rid of bubble guns have happened. Toy pirate guns and metal detectors I understand why. I really feel that whoever came up with this is being a chicken and to quote Marty McFly, "Nobody calls me chicken." Disney needs to man up a bit and have a little courage. I'd rather have undercover military/National Guardsmen in the parks than lose the ability to wear a costume for MNSSHP.
 
Well if it were up to me, this costume rule change would have not happened, neither would getting rid of bubble guns have happened. Toy pirate guns and metal detectors I understand why. I really feel that whoever came up with this is being a chicken and to quote Marty McFly, "Nobody calls me chicken." Disney needs to man up a bit and have a little courage. I'd rather have undercover military/National Guardsmen in the parks than lose the ability to wear a costume for MNSSHP.
You are joking..I hope.
 
ahh ty for clarification I didnt think of people dressing as outright copies of cms and what not. I thought even during mnshhp if your costume was close enough to one of the actual meet & greet people they didn't allow you in.
 
OP, I do not at all understand your reaction to the fact that Disney has never allowed costumes in their parks for adults, except for certain parties. Why would any adult want to wear one anyway, other than Halloween?

I don't see what the fuss is about.
 
The no costumes thing isn't a big deal to me. I would rather wear a nice Halloween t-shirt and shorts then wear a uncomfortable hot costume around the park all evening.

The big draw to the Halloween parties for me is the special parade, fireworks and character M&Gs offered. Plus maybe the trick-or-treating.
 
The no costumes thing isn't a big deal to me. I would rather wear a nice Halloween t-shirt and shorts then wear a uncomfortable hot costume around the park all evening.

The big draw to the Halloween parties for me is the special parade, fireworks and character M&Gs offered. Plus maybe the trick-or-treating.

The key part of your quote is "for me".

DL doesn't even have a Halloween parade.


OP, I do not at all understand your reaction to the fact that Disney has never allowed costumes in their parks for adults, except for certain parties. Why would any adult want to wear one anyway, other than Halloween?

I don't see what the fuss is about.

The rule change is about wearing costumes to the Halloween party.
 
Licensing and royalty fees. Fewer adults buying costumes to go to MNSSHP.

Besides, only ... "those who can afford it" ... buy costumes IN the parks or at WDW.

Lots of the 'princess' costumes sold at party stores are not licensed by Disney. At our local party store, we didn't even have any official "Disney' tagged costumes. They were all rip-off versions. So, the few people who did buy adult versions of costumes to go to the Halloween party at WDW probably didn't even buy Disney branded, IMO. As you stated, the Disney ones cost more. Alos, I really don't think they ever sold them in the parks. The Disney store website has a few at Halloween. That's really the only place I can remember seeing real, adult Disney costumes.

Well if it were up to me, this costume rule change would have not happened, neither would getting rid of bubble guns have happened. Toy pirate guns and metal detectors I understand why. I really feel that whoever came up with this is being a chicken and to quote Marty McFly, "Nobody calls me chicken." Disney needs to man up a bit and have a little courage. I'd rather have undercover military/National Guardsmen in the parks than lose the ability to wear a costume for MNSSHP.

What the heck is an undercover military/national guard going to do in the park? Disney already has security in the parks. I'm just greatful now that this isn't up to you.
 
I really feel that whoever came up with this is being a chicken and to quote Marty McFly, "Nobody calls me chicken." Disney needs to man up a bit and have a little courage.

If you want to keep going along with that train of thought, Marty in his desire not to be a "chicken" races his vehicle, someone pulls out in front of him, he wrecks and loses his ability to ever play the guitar again. With the way the movies go he then realizes that being called a chicken is not the worst thing in the world so when the scenario plays out again and he was called chicken, he didn't race like he did before and there was no wreck.

Disney is not being a "chicken" and doesn't need to "man up". They are doing what they think is best for all their guests. I would rather have then error on the side of caution then for them to decide to "have a little courage" and it backfire like it did for Marty :).
 
Well if it were up to me, this costume rule change would have not happened, neither would getting rid of bubble guns have happened. Toy pirate guns and metal detectors I understand why. I really feel that whoever came up with this is being a chicken and to quote Marty McFly, "Nobody calls me chicken." Disney needs to man up a bit and have a little courage. I'd rather have undercover military/National Guardsmen in the parks than lose the ability to wear a costume for MNSSHP.

What the heck are military going to do INSIDE the parks? The key is to prevent the weapons from getting IN. It's game over once a gun gets in. There would be mass carnage in a matter of minutes with all those crowds.
 
What the heck are military going to do INSIDE the parks? The key is to prevent the weapons from getting IN. It's game over once a gun gets in. There would be mass carnage in a matter of minutes with all those crowds.
The military would be armed themselves and trained to fire upon any active shooter. If any shooter were to open fire, he'd be taken out in a matter of seconds by soldiers.
 
Oh my gosh please you guys, get over this! No costumes? Really is that such a huge deal?

Moderators please step in.

This is such a non issue. Really. I mean I cannot believe the stuff I'm reading. Like I'd dress up or care if I could. Whatever!
 

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