Brady Suspension Reversed!!

Jafar30 · Sep 3, 2015

I'm not a fan of Brady or the Patriots, but for too long Roger Goodell has been power hungry egotist distributing his brand of "Justice"

Jafar30 · Sep 3, 2015

Btw if you do something wrong let Roger Goodell decide your punishment

http://deadspin.com/taste-roger-goodells-wrath-with-our-nfl-punishment-gene-1720846778

I got 8 games because I overslept

Jdbsfw · Sep 3, 2015

Again, I'd like to remind everyone I knew 8 years ago Goodell was a db....

Planogirl · Sep 3, 2015

You have to have proof before you find someone guilty. Proof was lacking almost as much as common sense in this situation.

Besides I'd rather play against the best the opposing teams can field.

pat fan · Sep 3, 2015

Pkltm said:
My question about the "probable" is that as someone who gets paid 9 million dollars a year to do his job, his tenure in the league, and his ability, he should be an expert at holding/throwing a football. An expert would and should know that they were not inflated properly (a defensive player could tell after an interception). SO in my opinion he was either aware of the issue or does not know his job to well.

Just like the game where the refs approved balls inflated to 16 psi a few weeks prior. This is on the refs and no one else. There's a lit of ways to fix this and none is a witch hunt.

desamnik · Sep 3, 2015

The punishment didn't fit the crime. the crime that no one can prove Brady had anything to do with implementing. It was one football and it was one PSI under regulation. The ball was removed from play at 1/2 time and the cheating team, playing with regulation footballs scored more points than they did with the better under inflated footballs. HUH??? What about the team that was heating up balls on the sidelines a couple of years ago? They were told to "stop" no penalty to any player or the team, and they were caught red handed, manipulating equipment.
All football fans of all teams should be happy for this outcome, Goodell can go after ANY player to fuel his power hungry self.

HeatherC · Sep 3, 2015

Haters gonna hate!

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KBoopaloo · Sep 3, 2015

sunshinehighway said:
Many of the balls were only slightly low. Slightly low on a freezing January night in NE and he should know? What about the refs then? Shouldnt they be held to the same standard?
Besides even if he could tell the balls were low, that doesnt mean he was part of a conspiracy to deflate them.

ETA: sunshinehighway, I don't know why this post included only your post - I was actually responding to the post you were responding to with your post - I agree with you! LOL

The Wells Report determined that the Patriots' balls should have measured between 11.32 and 11.52 PSI at halftime assuming that all of them were at exactly 12.5 (minimum PSI allowed) when the game began.

There is some discrepancy about which gauge was used to measure the balls pregame. Using the gauge the ref indicated he believed he used, only 3 of the Patriots footballs measured under 11.32 at halftime, with the lowest one measuring in at 10.9 PSI or less than .5 PSI than the expected minimum PSI. .5 is a minuscule amount - there is no way anyone would be able to notice that by touch.

The PSI readings on the gauge the ref did not think he used came in lower - this is the gauge the Wells report determined must have been used to measure the balls before the game despite the ref's memory of using the other gauge. They determined this basically because the numbers were more damning and by using the measurements of the Colts' balls despite only measuring 4 of the Colts' 12 balls at halftime. Using this gauge, 8 of the 11 footballs measured under the 11.32 expected minimum but even then the lowest one came in at 10.5 or less than 1 PSI under the expected minimum, still a minuscule amount, likely undetectable by feel.

It should be noted that the gauges looked markedly different. The ref recalled using the "logo gauge" which was a gauge featuring a large Wilson logo. It also had a longer and significantly bent needle. The ref did admit that he could not be certain that he used the logo gauge though that was his recollection. Take a look at the gauges - if you used one versus the other, I don't think it would be that difficult to remember which you used as they are markedly different.

No matter which gauge was used, if there was some sort of deflation scheme, it involved letting less than 1 PSI out of the footballs after they had been checked which is an insane premise that would provide no advantage and would likely be totally unnoticeable to anyone handling the footballs so why would anyone bother? I don't think they would or that they did.

goofinoff · Sep 3, 2015

Jafar30 said:
but for too long Roger Goodell has been power hungry egotist distributing his brand of "Justice"

Preach!!!!

TLSnell1981 · Sep 3, 2015

Jennasis said:
Who?

Cheater.

KBoopaloo · Sep 3, 2015

rickybobby said:
I like the Pats, like Brady.
That aside, I think he is getting off with no penalty for something that he was indeed a part of. Why else would he destroy his cellphone when it was requested as part of the investigation?

It was specifically NOT requested and he was in fact told that they did not need the actual phone.

From the transcript of the appeal hearing:

WELLS: The request what I asked for, I made clear I didn't want to take access to your phone. Mr. Yee can do it. I did not, as Mr. Kessler said — I want 20 to be clear — I did not tell Mr. Brady at any time that he would be subject to punishment for not giving — not turning over — the documents. I did not say anything like that.

And Brady's team DID provide the NFL with all the information they were able to recover from the phone records:

Specifically, it can be found at footnote 11 on page 12: “After the hearing and after the submission of post-hearing briefs, Mr. Brady’s certified agents offered to provide a spreadsheet that would identify all of the individuals with whom Mr. Brady had exchanged text messages during [the relevant time] period; the agents suggested that the League could contact those individuals and request production of any relevant text messages that they retained. Aside from the fact that, under Article 46, Section 2(f) of the CBA, such information could and should have been provided long before the hearing, the approach suggested in the agents’ letter — which would require tracking down numerous individuals and seeking consent from each to retrieve from their cellphones detailed information about their text message communications during the relevant period — is simply not practical.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...red-to-help-nfl-gather-missing-text-messages/

ETA: He was never going to hand over the actual phone whether the phone was "destroyed" or not - the Union would have never allowed that as it is would be a gross violation of privacy which would have created a real problem for other players in the future. The phone was his personal cell phone, not a team issued phone. Wells and his team were given all the team issued phones they asked for as one would expect. As it was, Brady provided a large collection of his personal emails containing the words the Wells team indicated they wanted searched which was beyond what he was required to do. This was not a criminal investigation - the NFL has no subpoena power to force Brady to hand over his phone. This was an issue between an employee and an employer.

diz8297 · Sep 3, 2015

Hey, better to be hated than love able losers!!

DisneyPrince1982 · Sep 4, 2015

Kalliope said:
Though the blind devotion to him is amusing, he's still a cheater with no integrity.

I doubt Brady is too concerned with what you think about him. He's going to keep living his life as a multi-millionaire, the winningest QB in NFL history, and go home each night to his Brazilian supermodel wife.

rickybobby said:
Why else would he destroy his cellphone when it was requested as part of the investigation?

The NFL doesn't have subpoena power to request people hand over something they would like to see. Brady did what any person with a half a brain would do and got rid of anything that may implicate him. Even more to the point, I'd be shocked if Brady didn't have naked pictures of himself on his phone. And with TMZ lurking around every corner, I'm sure they would have managed to get their hands on them somehow.

mom2rtk · Sep 4, 2015

DisneyPrince1982 said:
Even more to the point, I'd be shocked if Brady didn't have naked pictures of himself on his phone. And with TMZ lurking around every corner, I'm sure they would have managed to get their hands on them somehow.

He strikes me as the type who might actually enjoy that.

DisneyPrince1982 · Sep 4, 2015

mom2rtk said:
He strikes me as the type who might actually enjoy that.

I'm guessing so would most of the women in America.

mom2rtk · Sep 4, 2015

DisneyPrince1982 said:
I'm guessing so would most of the women in America.

Why don't you start a poll and test that out?

DisneyPrince1982 · Sep 4, 2015

mom2rtk said:
Why don't you start a poll and test that out?

Not Dis friendly :duck:

rajak73 · Sep 4, 2015

Pkltm said:
Fair enough, but I still stand by the point that if he should be an expert in the field of football, so it is "probable" that he knew, I play soccer and you can tell when the ball doesn't have enough air, I know different sport but they both still have balls lol

I play Basketball to and could tell if the ball is low but not 1 psi which is the point. The refs take the Pats footballs and right after that the other footballs so they should have known if one was way low compared to the other.

CPanther95 · Sep 4, 2015

An expert in football would never say anything if he noticed something that gave him an advantage. If he didn't orchestrate it, he's under no obligation to second guess those that supplied the balls. Keeping that quiet is far less egregious than pointing across to someone on the defense when you false start, faking an injury to slow down an offense, or a punter exaggerating a fall to the ground. Those are all cases of players intentionally deceiving/cheating to get an outcome that is not warranted by the rule book.

Not saying anything about an under-inflated ball is on par with a receiver not going up to a ref after a defensive PI call and telling him that the defender didn't actually interfere with him.

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