CA Gov signs the vaccination bill in to law

Geoff_M · Jul 3, 2015

Disneychick75 said:
This woman died from measles. That's one in 318.9 million people. She was the first to die in 12 years. While it's sad that she died, I see no reason to freak out. 3,287 people die, on average, each day in car wrecks. That's 15,600,000 in the same time frame. Riding in a car seems more dangerous than measles.

The recognized mortality rate for measles is 1 in 500 cases. We've been lucky in the US (iirc, every 40 minutes each day in the rest of the world someone dies of the illnes) because of the relative lack of cases due to vaccinations. By contrast in the mid-1960's right before the approval of the vaccine (not quite the medical stone age and we had clean water then too) over 400 people, mostly children, died from measles in the US each year.

And death is just one outcome. About 25% of people that contract measles will suffer neurological complications... many that will be long-term. The details are in the CDC "pink book" for measles.

sukhakuli · Jul 3, 2015

There's a little boy in CA who has been released to hospice from measles complications, so another measles death isn't too far away. It's so heartbreaking for the family. He was too young to be vaccinated.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-measles-sspe-20150624-story.html

I'm immune compromised, so the story of the woman who died of measles in WA hits a little too close to home. But I guess people who are against vaccinations think people like me are just collateral damage in their fight for their "rights."

Disneychick75 · Jul 3, 2015

gemini2727 said:
It's about prevention.

We take a road test before licensing, drive defensively, wear seat belts, use car seats, etc. in order to protect ourselves when driving, because it is a known, risky behavior.

Why would you choose not to prevent a dangerous disease when an overwhelmingly safe and effective vaccine is available? Measles, among other diseases, has consequences besides death, by the way. I think this generation's unfamiliarity with common childhood diseases and their sometimes devastating effects is working against us.

I hope we don't have to live through earlier times when those effects were a reality before we learn our lesson.

And your car death statistic is incorrect, according to Insurance Inst. for Highway Safety, for all of 2013, there were about 33,000 deaths for the year, or about 90 per day. iihs.org

I had measles and so did everyone I knew as a child, so I am familiar with the disease. If people are ok with someone telling them what they can have injected into their children, fine with me. We won't be in that group.

My info came from the Association for International safe travel. The US deaths are approx. 37000 with 1.5 million injured or disabled each year and about 1800 children die in the US each year in car crashes.

mom2rtk · Jul 3, 2015

Disneychick75 said:
I had measles and so did everyone I knew as a child, so I am familiar with the disease. If people are ok with someone telling them what they can have injected into their children, fine with me. We won't be in that group.

My info came from the Association for International safe travel. The US deaths are approx. 37000 with 1.5 million injured or disabled each year and about 1800 children die in the US each year in car crashes.

If I could vaccinate my child against car crashes, I would.

Just because you can't solve one doesn't mean you shouldn't do everything you can to prevent the other.

declansdad · Jul 3, 2015

Disneychick75 said:
I had measles and so did everyone I knew as a child, so I am familiar with the disease. If people are ok with someone telling them what they can have injected into their children, fine with me. We won't be in that group.

My info came from the Association for International safe travel. The US deaths are approx. 37000 with 1.5 million injured or disabled each year and about 1800 children die in the US each year in car crashes.

This is what your other post said

3,287 people die, on average, each day in car wrecks

That's quite a bit different than the number in your other post.

Disneychick75 · Jul 3, 2015

declansdad said:
This is what your other post said

That's quite a bit different than the number in your other post.

Yes, and if you'll notice in the post you quoted, I corrected the numbers.

declansdad · Jul 3, 2015

Disneychick75 said:
Yes, and if you'll notice in the post you quoted, I corrected the numbers.

You just posted the correct numbers not corrected you post; you made no mention of how far off you were in your first post.

Disneychick75 · Jul 3, 2015

declansdad said:
You just posted the correct numbers not corrected you post; you made no mention of how far off you were in your first post.

I am heartily sorry, I was far off in my post. I posted the correct numbers.

dokey · Jul 4, 2015

Glad this happened.

twelve · Jul 4, 2015

I hate that parents relied on heard immunity to protect their children. I agree, parents shouldn't be required to vaccinate their kids, but unvaccinated kids should not be allowed in public schools unless there's a valid medical reason for no vax

Annadesu · Jul 4, 2015

I hope similar laws are adopted in other states...

old lady · Jul 4, 2015

It doesn't matter if the Gov. Brown signs the vaccine bill if most Disneyland guests are from outside the state and country.

disney1990 · Jul 4, 2015

cjbcam said:
They have a right they just can't go to school.

I personally know of 2 children, one because of chemo and one because of an illness, that can't be vaccinated. There is a reason why other children need to be. Otherwise, they need to be home schooled.

cjbcam · Jul 4, 2015

disney1990 said:
I personally know of 2 children, one because of chemo and one because of an illness, that can't be vaccinated. There is a reason why other children need to be. Otherwise, they need to be home schooled.

Exactly people that can't for actual real medical issues need all people that can get vaccinated, vaccinated for herd immunity.

Luv Bunnies · Jul 4, 2015

old lady said:
It doesn't matter if the Gov. Brown signs the vaccine bill if most Disneyland guests are from outside the state and country.

True. Guests from outside the state can still bring diseases in. The difference is that vaccinated kids won't catch them at Disneyland (or anywhere else, for that matter) and bring them back to our schools.

bcla · Jul 4, 2015

Luv Bunnies said:
True. Guests from outside the state can still bring diseases in. The difference is that vaccinated kids won't catch them at Disneyland (or anywhere else, for that matter) and bring them back to our schools.

First, Disneyland is pretty well known as a "locals" park that's heavily reliant on Southern Californi residents for repeat business. It's also possible for those vaccinated to still get diseases, but the chances are considerably lower. Some don't become fully immune or lose immunity over time, although the symptoms are often less severe. I heard that the two Disney CMs that got measles were vaccinated. However, it's all a big epidemiology exercise. There's a far lower chance of there being a particular "patient zero" to spread the disease.

Geoff_M · Jul 5, 2015

bcla said:
First, Disneyland is pretty well known as a "locals" park that's heavily reliant on Southern Californi residents for repeat business. It's also possible for those vaccinated to still get diseases, but the chances are considerably lower. Some don't become fully immune or lose immunity over time, although the symptoms are often less severe. I heard that the two Disney CMs that got measles were vaccinated. However, it's all a big epidemiology exercise. There's a far lower chance of there being a particular "patient zero" to spread the disease.

Perfectly true. But even if someone at DL does contract Measles, or another vaccine preventable disease, again the higher the percentage that is vaccinated in a population the harder it is for a case of a disease to jump from person to person. Just like forest fires, the best extinguishing tool there is to remove enough "fuel" to stop the spread.

CPT Tripss · Jul 5, 2015

old lady said:
It doesn't matter if the Gov. Brown signs the vaccine bill if most Disneyland guests are from outside the state and country.

Absent proof of vaccination, you can rent one of these at Guest Relations

ZephyrHawk · Jul 5, 2015

Disneychick75 said:
I had measles and so did everyone I knew as a child, so I am familiar with the disease. If people are ok with someone telling them what they can have injected into their children, fine with me. We won't be in that group.

My info came from the Association for International safe travel. The US deaths are approx. 37000 with 1.5 million injured or disabled each year and about 1800 children die in the US each year in car crashes.

I didn't. I didn't know anyone who ever got measles, or pertussis, or polio, or any of those diseases. I did know a bunch of kids who got chicken pox (oddly, I never did). No one got any of the diseases I listed because everyone was vaccinated (except against chicken pox, because that didn't exist yet). So, no one got the diseases they were vaccinated against, and a large percentage did get the one thing they couldn't be vaccinated against. That's my youthful experience. Get vaccine - be safe, don't get vaccine - suffer. Perhaps that explains the difference in our opinions.

You know who else I didn't know? Anyone who had ever been harmed by vaccines in any way. Odd, given that pretty much everyone I know was vaccinated. You'd think if they were at all dangerous something might have shown up. Oh, well.

You know who I did know? A little girl with leukemia. When the chicken pox was going through our town she couldn't see or play with anyone. It was too dangerous for her. So, I can't say back, "If people are okay with their kid being exposed to a potentially deadly disease because of some bad information some quack non-doctors on the internet talk about, fine with me." I can't say that, because it's not fine. Because I do care that their sickened spawn might come across someone like the little girl I knew growing up, and kill her with their ignorance (she died when I was 10, as it was

).

kamik86 · Jul 6, 2015

Do insurance companies charge higher premiums to cover someone who isn't vaccinated? I would think this would be an easy step for them to take since insurance companies price based on risk and those that dont vaccinate are at a greater risk for an expensive illness.

As for adult vaccines I remember as a child and teen the doctors office had a schedule of when I should get all my shots and would bring them up and let my parents know when it was time to get them. After I turned 18 besides the one HPV vaccine which I was told about at my OB/gyn none of my doctors ever brought up any vaccines. I haven't had anything in the last 10 years. Flu shot comes up from other choices but I haven't choosen to get that one (I'm young and healthy so the flu won't be too bad if I do get it, I haven't gotten it in years and I don't regularly come into contact with anyone that is high risk (babies, elderly, or immune compromised) if those items change I'll start getting it.

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