Who thinks the CDC will roll back their new mask rules from two days ago?

[mrodgers]

It's been a long year but I need a refresher course (which I know will be handed to me instantly here }. Weren't originally masks worn to protect mainly others from the wearer who might have covid or be asymptomatic?? And yes I was going to look for that one meme that tried to explain that situation via peeing.

One other quick question......why would those vaccinated be still concerned of those not vaccinated.

Innocent questions so please don't skewer me too bad.

Originally the masks were for the medical workers for their protection and it was completely unnecessary for the general population to wear masks. The narrative has changed countless times to attempt to control us in the name of "new science" being discovered. Later after many changes of the narrative, it was admitted by the particular person that he flat out lied yet from then on out said person is still regarded as a medical god by some.

At some point the narrative changed to yours protects me and mine protects you and someone made a meme about peeing on people as if we all walk around doing that, same as if we all walk around sneezing in each other's faces. Since then we've had to wear masks outside by ourselves, people have been harassed by law enforcement for being too close to the people they sit around a dinner table every night and sit next to each other watching TV on the couch (friends who live in California) or sitting too close to someone in a breakroom that sits that close to me at the dinner table or on the couch watching TV (me and my daughter) so that new memes came out such as wear your seatbelt even when you aren't in the car, your bathing suit protects me from you peeing in the pool and my bathing suit protects you from me peeing in the pool, and wear goggles and a snorkel for 14 days to flatten the rainy season because if it saves 1 person from drowning, etc.

The narrative and goal post has been moved and changed so many times it's hard to keep up with all of them.

For your other question, people are concerned over people not being vaccinated because they are offended that you are not obeying the rulers that they obey.

 

[sam_gordon]

The narrative has changed countless times to attempt to control us in the name of "new science" being discovered.

Sorry, I don't get this point/thought. Did "TPTB" just get bored and decide "hey, let's see what we can get people to do!" I mean, really, what was the motivation for having people mask if not that they honestly thought (at the time) that it might help keep people healthy?

 

[mrodgers]

So is it really like that in either case where you guys live? Granted I don’t go out much but I haven’t seen not a single person who refused to wear a mask. I have seen people with them below their noses but I’ve never seen anyone confronted one way or the other. On the DIS there seems to be an extreme in both directions and of course there are those viral videos but in “real life” I just have not experienced anything like this. Folks just seem to be going about their day to day.

I've been confronted 3 times. Once from some random customer no where near me until he came near me just to confront me (wonder why he's so worried if willing to get in the personal space of someone without a mask) that I ignored and twice from store employees upon entering where I said, "No problem" and turned around and went elsewhere.

Conversely the 2 people who tell us they will fire us at work are the 2 people who leaned in close, within 2 feet so I could hear them, pulled their mask down below their chin and spoke to me. I walked away from both of them shaking my head.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

So is it really like that in either case where you guys live? Granted I don’t go out much but I haven’t seen not a single person who refused to wear a mask. I have seen people with them below their noses but I’ve never seen anyone confronted one way or the other. On the DIS there seems to be an extreme in both directions and of course there are those viral videos but in “real life” I just have not experienced anything like this. Folks just seem to be going about their day to day.

Not either of the posters but ours seems to pop up the most with the schools. Either the parents have protested to have sports, to have in-person and now most recently to have mask requirements removed (although there have been protestors that want the mask requirements in schools to stay). There were isolated protests with respects to stay at home orders. Some of the parents have risen to the level of what is called Karens or exemplify them by the reasonings used (the signs they make too).

I mean last night's school board meeting a protestor wore a mask to the meeting (otherwise the meeting would have been cancelled) but threw it on the ground as he left. One of the parents said "I’m here to inform you as of tomorrow, May 18, my kids will be walking into class again and joining their classmates. I’m not asking anyone for permission,” in response to her decision to no longer have her children follow district policy on wearing masks."

I've seen people refuse to wear a mask in stores although not too too often, my mom has as well as a retail worker but workers don't want to get involved much because they don't know the unpredictability of people so I'd say they ask generally but don't have much power beyond that.

 

[mrodgers]

Sorry, I don't get this point/thought. Did "TPTB" just get bored and decide "hey, let's see what we can get people to do!" I mean, really, what was the motivation for having people mask if not that they honestly thought (at the time) that it might help keep people healthy?

The motivation we can not talk about.

 

[sam_gordon]

The motivation we can not talk about.

So send me a PM. I really don't get it. Do the people who made the mandate have stock in mask companies? They want to see what they can make people do? If it's the latter, then do you think Covid has been faked? Or they saw this as an opportunity to get away with something?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

For your other question, people are concerned over people not being vaccinated because they are offended that you are not obeying the rulers that they obey.

You don't have to agree with people but you should never reduce it down to what you are. You don't have to agree with governmental overreach but do not ever equate that to vaccinations. Save that stuff for whether a business should have to close or not or have an occupancy limit but don't do it with respects to a vaccine. Most of our population has had a vaccine in our lifetimes, I'm sure you included, and it wouldn't be about what you're talking about.

 

[wenrob]

Not either of the posters but ours seems to pop up the most with the schools. Either the parents have protested to have sports, to have in-person and now most recently to have mask requirements removed (although there have been protestors that want the mask requirements in schools to stay). There were isolated protests with respects to stay at home orders. Some of the parents have risen to the level of what is called Karens or exemplify them by the reasonings used (the signs they make too).

I mean last night's school board meeting a protestor wore a mask to the meeting (otherwise the meeting would have been cancelled) but threw it on the ground as he left. One of the parents said "I’m here to inform you as of tomorrow, May 18, my kids will be walking into class again and joining their classmates. I’m not asking anyone for permission,” in response to her decision to no longer have her children follow district policy on wearing masks."

I've seen people refuse to wear a mask in stores although not too too often, my mom has as well as a retail worker but workers don't want to get involved much because they don't know the unpredictability of people so I'd say they ask generally but don't have much power beyond that.

It just feels like I’m living in an alternate universe sometimes. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen here, maybe it does but things like taking on the schools one way or the other I haven’t heard of at least at my kids school. I’d say maybe it was my area but I’ve been in other parts of town and my experience has been the same. I guess I’m trying to get a feel for what’s actually happening. Like was this a one time experience or an experience relayed by someone else or is it something that’s happening frequently and you see it all the time?

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Might be time to steer the conversation away

On topic I have seen a lot of stories pop up trying to clarify what the new guidelines mean

 

[jrmasm]

It just feels like I’m living in an alternate universe sometimes. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen here, maybe it does but things like taking on the schools one way or the other I haven’t heard of at least at my kids school. I’d say maybe it was my area but I’ve been in other parts of town and my experience has been the same. I guess I’m trying to get a feel for what’s actually happening. Like was this a one time experience or an experience relayed by someone else or is it something that’s happening frequently and you see it all the time?

I don’t think I’ve personally witnessed that behavior. But definitely on instagram and Twitter etc. Including Ricky Schroeder last week.

 

[wenrob]

I don’t think I’ve personally witnessed that behavior. But definitely on instagram and Twitter etc. Including Ricky Schroeder last week.

Dude has officially ruined “The Champ” for me.

Thank you for answering kindly.

 

[wenrob]

Might be time to steer the conversation away

On topic I have seen a lot of stories pop up trying to clarify what the new guidelines mean

Sorry, not generally my style. I just got really curious all of the sudden.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

Sorry, not generally my style. I just got really curious all of the sudden.

Oh please don't think I was talking about you! I wasn't. It was more the start of the political/goal post/ hole just because I could see that getting nasty quick not the Karen/confrontation talk. Sorry about that confusion

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I don’t think I’ve personally witnessed that behavior. But definitely on instagram and Twitter etc. Including Ricky Schroeder last week.

I saw that video and cringed the entire time. Why confront them like that.

Is he unaware of the wording on Costco's policy that states:

"U.S. locations with state or local mask requirements - no policy change
In those Costco locations where the state or local jurisdiction does have a mask mandate, we will follow the state or local regulations and continue to require members and guests to wear a face mask or face shield. Children under the age of 2 are exempt. If a member or guest has a medical condition that prevents them from wearing a mask, they must wear a face shield."

Which the area he is in would fall under.

Now if rules change (which I have heard of the June 15th date) it would fall under this:
"U.S. locations with no state or local mask requirements - revised policy
In Costco locations where the state or local jurisdiction does not have a mask mandate, we will allow members and guests who are fully vaccinated to enter Costco without a face mask or face shield. We will not require proof of vaccination, but we ask for members’ responsible and respectful cooperation with this revised policy. Face coverings will still be required in healthcare settings, including Pharmacy, Optical, Hearing Aid. Costco continues to recommend that all members and guests, especially those who are at higher risk, wear a mask or shield"

***As it is written right now.

Not that it's any of my business but I wonder if he's even fully vaccinated, wouldn't that be ironic to fight so hard for a rule that doesn't even apply to you?

Did you see his apology statement? He was basically like sorry to the worker he verbally abashed but I had to do what I had to do. No you did not, you just made yourself look poor. I don't think the CDC will be rolling back but they seem to be playing the "here's what we meant" game.

 

[Planogirl]

I hope that someone eventually explains why wearing a mask is such a big deal. I had trouble with them at first but it’s no big deal now. It seems such an odd molehill to die on.

I wonder what it will be like as we adjust back to normal. Will people really harass others about this on a routine basis?

 

[Colleen27]

It just feels like I’m living in an alternate universe sometimes. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen here, maybe it does but things like taking on the schools one way or the other I haven’t heard of at least at my kids school. I’d say maybe it was my area but I’ve been in other parts of town and my experience has been the same. I guess I’m trying to get a feel for what’s actually happening. Like was this a one time experience or an experience relayed by someone else or is it something that’s happening frequently and you see it all the time?

I think it has to do with what kind of "bubble" you live in - whether there is a clear majority opinion with the extremists that inevitably brings, or whether opinions are more balanced which tends to encourage moderation. In my area, the mocking of mask-wearers started at least a year ago. There's a small group of men who gather for coffee at the local gas station every morning, and they stand there at the counter where everyone has to walk past them making comments about the "sheep" and "living in fear". The new thing is rednecks declaring that they "identify as" vaccinated in a swipe at both those who got the vaccines and those who respect transgender rights. But it isn't necessarily better on the other side; my daughter has had several incidents where she was challenged/shamed by the self-appointed covid-police for going out with her boyfriend, who she works with 3-4 nights a week. Per the rules of her locality, there was a time when it was okay for them to work side-by-side but not to go for a walk or to grab (take out) coffee together afterwards, and she has several acquaintances that weren't shy about telling her off over ignoring that rule.

 

[sam_gordon]

I hope that someone eventually explains why wearing a mask is such a big deal. I had trouble with them at first but it’s no big deal now. It seems such an odd molehill to die on.

I wonder what it will be like as we adjust back to normal. Will people really harass others about this on a routine basis?

Regarding the bolded... they shouldn't, but they will. And there will be a camera somewhere capturing it so it can go on the internet. Now though, it will be people harassing others for wearing masks. I don't understand why it matters. If that's what they choose to do, so what?

And of course, you'll have those (like Ricky Schroeder) who want to raise a stink when they're asked to put a mask on.

 

[OhBother1984]

I hope that someone eventually explains why wearing a mask is such a big deal. I had trouble with them at first but it’s no big deal now. It seems such an odd molehill to die on.

I wonder what it will be like as we adjust back to normal. Will people really harass others about this on a routine basis?

They are hot, uncomfortable , gross once sweaty (and no carrying around a bunch of them is a hassle), a lot of communication also involves facial expression so half of that is gone. Coming from a parent view when I look back on pictures and videos of my kids I want to see their full facial expressions to things, masks hide that. Heck try and pick your friends kid out of a group of masked kids, not easy at all if you don't know where they were standing. So yes for many people it really is a big deal.

Honestly for many going to normal will be no big deal they have been dreaming of it for over a year. For a few it will be really hard and will have a ot of trauma and emotional distress/anxiety to work through. I think in the end a few will wear alot, a few in certain situations most won't and life will go back. Short term memory effect will be strong.

 

[OKbyme]

I don't think there is any way to walk that back. I do think it was incredibly short sighted and is likely to cause even greater friction in our country.

On a local talk radio show, a business owner called in extremely ticked off. He feels with that statement, the CDC has only caused him more problems with forcing him to institute a policy for his business that could possibly cost him patrons at a time where he is barely hanging on as it is.

At the local grocery store yesterday and everyone was still wearing a mask. Signs still up requesting customers to wear them. At the bank today and there was a "request" for masks. Clarification that all bank employees will continue to wear them at this time.

At the T-ball sign up, none of the men had them on, probably 75% of the women were wearing them, and about half the kids had them on. That was last week even before this pronouncement.

Makes your head spin!

 

[OhBother1984]

I don't think there is any way to walk that back. I do think it was incredibly short sighted and is likely to cause even greater friction in our country.

On a local talk radio show, a business owner called in extremely ticked off. He feels with that statement, the CDC has only caused him more problems with forcing him to institute a policy for his business that could possibly cost him patrons at a time where he is barely hanging on as it is.

At the local grocery store yesterday and everyone was still wearing a mask. Signs still up requesting customers to wear them. At the bank today and there was a "request" for masks. Clarification that all bank employees will continue to wear them at this time.

At the T-ball sign up, none of the men had them on, probably 75% of the women were wearing them, and about half the kids had them on. That was last week even before this pronouncement.

Makes your head spin!

I really think by mid june, maybe a little sooner masks will basically be gone most places. They already essentially are in many places.