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Seeing that discussion before I went to the movie, I was watching Vader for differences. A New Hope Vader is very stiff, like someone with back and joint pain. R1 Vader definitely could move with ease. I specifically noticed his hips moved more than most men....Beyonce-ish as he walked in during his first appearance. I little too much flare.
 
Ok... I'll be the guy. I loved seeing the Vader scene. But... it also broke some things for me and I feel was a bit of a jump the shark moment.

- It very much looked/felt like a video game especially the end of him looking out into space. Just had that feel. I wish it had been toned down a bit.
- It makes me feel/think they need to remake A New Hope. There is just so much broken in how mechanical and slow Vader is in ANH vs how he is weeks earlier in Rogue One. He's a badass one week, and two weeks later he lets Storm Troopers take the lead and he can't defeat Obi-Wan without the old man giving up?

In short, I felt the Vader of Rogue One should have been more like the Vader of the OT. If you want him to be this menacing evil mastermind - you need to save that for Rebels and a Vader movie set closer to Revenge. That way you can explain it as Vader aged just like Obi-Wan and hence the very different, slower, less aggressive fighting style. As it stands now in the cannon - Vader went from unstoppable with simultaneous force pushes, saber throws, deflections, and slashes... to an old man only able to sword fight mostly defensively and unable to use other force actions simultaneously... over the course of 2-3 weeks. Huh?

I guess I just watch movies differently then some people. I don't feel the need to pick apart everything in a movie, I just enjoy them for what they are.

That Vader scene is one of the best movie scenes of the entire series. It's totally badass. I loved it. It was even better the 2nd time around. I honestly just don't feel the need to compare anything that happened there to a movie that was made 40 years ago. Just thinking about the last 10 mins of Rogue One makes me want to go again tonight.
 
I guess I just watch movies differently then some people. I don't feel the need to pick apart everything in a movie, I just enjoy them for what they are.

That Vader scene is one of the best movie scenes of the entire series. It's totally badass. I loved it. It was even better the 2nd time around. I honestly just don't feel the need to compare anything that happened there to a movie that was made 40 years ago. Just thinking about the last 10 mins of Rogue One makes me want to go again tonight.


Yes.... I'm with you.

I thought the Vader scene was unreal. I couldn't even breathe. I couldn't believe what I was seeing. He was so so so evil.
 
I guess I just watch movies differently then some people. I don't feel the need to pick apart everything in a movie, I just enjoy them for what they are.

That Vader scene is one of the best movie scenes of the entire series. It's totally badass. I loved it. It was even better the 2nd time around. I honestly just don't feel the need to compare anything that happened there to a movie that was made 40 years ago. Just thinking about the last 10 mins of Rogue One makes me want to go again tonight.

I'm a right up the middle, appropriately dated, Cold war created, red blooded 'Merican Star Wars fanatic fan. Just below the comic con crowd.

And I completely agree with your stance, DEFEND disney here...and differ in opinions of my buddy Bud...

Star Wars has to be popcorn bucket friendly...the delicate line is to not make it stupid like rich george did when he did it alone. Or dumbed down like JJ Spielberg, Jr...

It can't be "but if you read catalyst, or bloodlines, or shadows of the empire, or the spice chronicles...". Or any of that other stuff. It's not a comic book. Where they aren't trying to run a 75 billion dollar licensing machine.

They can...and we should expect them...to tell full stories even if they are "imperfect".
 
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I'm a right up the middle, appropriated dated, Cold war created, red blooded 'Merican Star Wars fanatic fan. Just below the comic con crowd.

And I completely agree with your stance, DEFEND disney here...and differ in opinions of my buddy Bud...

Star Wars has to be popcorn bucket friendly...the delicate line is to not make it stupid like rich george did when he did it alone. Or dumbed down like JJ Spielberg, Jr...

It can't be "but if you read catalyst, or bloodlines, or shadows of the empire, or the spice chronicles...". Or any of that other stuff. It's not a comic book. Where they aren't trying to run a 75 billion dollar licensing machine.

They can...and we should expect them...to tell full stories even if they are "imperfect".

I'm not defending Disney.

I'm defending the fact that Ep: 4 was made 40 years ago and the fight scenes were made different in those days.

I'm happy they made the Vader scene in R1 the way they did and didn't dumb it down to 1970's level's. It really show's that Vader was the ultimate badass and far more dangerous than the likes of Darth Maul.
 
I'm not defending Disney.

I'm defending the fact that Ep: 4 was made 40 years ago and the fight scenes were made different in those days.

I'm happy they made the Vader scene in R1 the way they did and didn't dumb it down to 1970's level's. It really show's that Vader was the ultimate badass and far more dangerous than the likes of Darth Maul.
No...I'M defending disney...I think they are trying their best to offer different material, pay homage, get both the old guard fan's and the expanding younger generations, and get out of the lucas/anakin rut that has ditched the franchise for too long...

It can't be easy...they need some great story people and some risk taking.

This fisher thing...however...is a mess if you follow. Real trouble there. There's supposed to be the braintrust meeting at lucasfilm tomorrow.
 
And the reason they needed to infuse evil into Vader was because george spent 20 years telling of the "tortured anakin" and it consumed the whole franchise.

The dumb backstory, the non-love story, the silly fall against the keystone cops of Jedi...

It was all flat garbage. Only the cartoon show gave the character any depth...
 


No...I'M defending disney...I think they are trying their best to offer different material, pay homage, get both the old guard fan's and the expanding younger generations, and get out of the lucas/anakin rut that has ditched the franchise for too long...

It can't be easy...they need some great story people and some risk taking.

This fisher thing...however...is a mess if you follow. Real trouble there. There's supposed to be the braintrust meeting at lucasfilm tomorrow.

Ahhhh......I misunderstood.
 
I think the last "shot" was purely dramatic license for the story...it allows the "resolution" to convey the sacrifice...and it creates an "irony" based on Krennic's location.

One reason why I like to also read the books is the character's insights that is mainly lost in the screenplay.

Here is an excerpt from "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" novel, an account of the last minute of Krennic's life.

Irony, yes, but Krennic wouldn't want it any other way.


“It was Wilhuff Tarkin who had commandeered his battle station. Tarkin alone would have the arrogance. Tarkin alone would have the spite to loom over Scarif and threaten the wellspring of all his own triumphs.

The Death Star’s focusing dish glittered with emerald light. Krennic’s fury built in key with the station’s energies and sought purpose, an outlet, a target. But Krennic’s body was ruined. His enemies were far from him. He had no one to command and no one to master, no one to sway into sharing his vision for the future or the Empire or his personal aggrandizement.

My father’s revenge.

Krennic was doomed, then, though it galled him to admit it. Yet while he might die at Tarkin’s hands, he would die in the fires of his creation. The Death Star would endure. He licked blood and spittle from his lips and imagined world after world consumed by his station’s power. Even the Emperor would not leave such a mark on the galaxy. The Death Star, his Death Star, would alter star systems and civilizations, be remembered a thousand generations after Tarkin had been erased from history.

And while Tarkin did live? He would know that every victory he eked out would be due to Krennic’s work. He would fumble his way through battle after battle, not truly understanding the weapon he wielded, until his arrogance destroyed him.


He built a flaw in the Death Star.

The focusing dish glowed brighter.

Krennic squeezed his eyes shut and used the last glimmerings of his mind to see the station as it was meant to be seen: to stand on the overbridge of his behemoth creation; listen to the reactor’s muffled roar turn to a shriek; feel the tremors in the deck plating turn violent as the kyber core exerted its strength. Jyn Erso had given her life to steal the Death Star schematics, but those schematics were etched in his heart.

You’ll never win.

He would die not on Scarif, but inside the Death Star.

And as he envisioned the cataclysmic energies building within the vast station, he saw it—a detail he had overlooked and forgotten, some trivial adjustment of Galen’s: a single exhaust port leading from a narrow trench down and down, down kilometers of blackness, past conduits and hatches and radiation plating, down and down— —and into the main reactor.

The primary weapon of the Death Star battle station fired.

Orson Krennic, advanced weapons research director and father of the Death Star, died alone on Scarif, screaming in fury at Galen Erso, at Jyn Erso, at Wilhuff Tarkin, and at all the galaxy.”


Excerpt From: Freed, Alexander. “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.” Penguin Publishing Group, 2016-12-13T11:07:05Z. iBooks.

This material may be protected by copyright.
 
One reason why I like to also read the books is the character's insights that is mainly lost in the screenplay.

Here is an excerpt from "Rogue One: A Star Wars Story" novel, an account of the last minute of Krennic's life.

Irony, yes, but Krennic wouldn't want it any other way.


“It was Wilhuff Tarkin who had commandeered his battle station. Tarkin alone would have the arrogance. Tarkin alone would have the spite to loom over Scarif and threaten the wellspring of all his own triumphs.

The Death Star’s focusing dish glittered with emerald light. Krennic’s fury built in key with the station’s energies and sought purpose, an outlet, a target. But Krennic’s body was ruined. His enemies were far from him. He had no one to command and no one to master, no one to sway into sharing his vision for the future or the Empire or his personal aggrandizement.

My father’s revenge.

Krennic was doomed, then, though it galled him to admit it. Yet while he might die at Tarkin’s hands, he would die in the fires of his creation. The Death Star would endure. He licked blood and spittle from his lips and imagined world after world consumed by his station’s power. Even the Emperor would not leave such a mark on the galaxy. The Death Star, his Death Star, would alter star systems and civilizations, be remembered a thousand generations after Tarkin had been erased from history.

And while Tarkin did live? He would know that every victory he eked out would be due to Krennic’s work. He would fumble his way through battle after battle, not truly understanding the weapon he wielded, until his arrogance destroyed him.


He built a flaw in the Death Star.

The focusing dish glowed brighter.

Krennic squeezed his eyes shut and used the last glimmerings of his mind to see the station as it was meant to be seen: to stand on the overbridge of his behemoth creation; listen to the reactor’s muffled roar turn to a shriek; feel the tremors in the deck plating turn violent as the kyber core exerted its strength. Jyn Erso had given her life to steal the Death Star schematics, but those schematics were etched in his heart.

You’ll never win.

He would die not on Scarif, but inside the Death Star.

And as he envisioned the cataclysmic energies building within the vast station, he saw it—a detail he had overlooked and forgotten, some trivial adjustment of Galen’s: a single exhaust port leading from a narrow trench down and down, down kilometers of blackness, past conduits and hatches and radiation plating, down and down— —and into the main reactor.

The primary weapon of the Death Star battle station fired.

Orson Krennic, advanced weapons research director and father of the Death Star, died alone on Scarif, screaming in fury at Galen Erso, at Jyn Erso, at Wilhuff Tarkin, and at all the galaxy.”


Excerpt From: Freed, Alexander. “Rogue One: A Star Wars Story.” Penguin Publishing Group, 2016-12-13T11:07:05Z. iBooks.

This material may be protected by copyright.


Ok...and if you want to stop the file transfer and you weren't directly above...wouldn't the angle do the job just as well?
 
Bunch of Vader fanboys. Whats next? Keeping a shrine of ashes, going to walk around in dark masks and capes, and throw temper tantrums? :D
 
I went and saw it again (second time for me) this afternoon. I was shocked when I arrived in the theater 10 minutes before showtime to find it nearly FULL! More people continued to file in until only seats in the very front were left. The couple next to me said they tried to see it at a different theater earlier today and there were no seats! Wow, I know the weather is crappy and it's a holiday weekend, but I was surprised. Is this the final weekend it will be in theaters?

I loved it even more this time. The last third of the movie is just awesome and the final battle scenes still had me tense, while giddy at the same time. Just love this movie!
 
I saw it 4 times...twice in IMAX...and the movie Holds. Other than the familiar characters - the force awakens doesn't as well...

I hope they learn/augment the movies from here on that you have to have the core "hero/villain moments" that they had in rogue one. It's one thing to have a space battle...but you have to have the Vader type scene...and balanced by the sequence after the Death Star blast...the landscapes and the comments by the bystanders above the planet.

It works.
 
I've only seen Rogue One once so far, but did anyone notice during the hallway scene it looks like Vader actually shoots someone in the chest with a blaster bolt?

It isn't a deflection from his lightsaber, it's with his left hand. It happens right after he makes a fist and throws the guy up into the ceiling. Right after that, Vader pushes his left hand forward, palm open like he's doing a force push to someone kneeling a few feet in front of him. BUT -that guy had a red bolt go straight into his chest and kill him.

This kind of indicates that Vader was absorbing blaster fire (we know he can because he does it to Han Solo on Bespin), but then doing something new by redirecting the energy back out as a weapon. Which makes that scene even more awesome.
 
I read that the Vader scenes were added during reshoots - they really did make the movie so well done to Disney on that! Now I can't wait until the movie comes out with the bonus features - I always love watching the making of specials.
 
I read that the Vader scenes were added during reshoots - they really did make the movie so well done to Disney on that! Now I can't wait until the movie comes out with the bonus features - I always love watching the making of specials.

I don't get excited for home releases...but I'm counting down the days till R1
 

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