Mass Shooting at Orlando Club

[Bianca and Bernard]

How does one get an AK15 into a nightclub???

Under a raincoat/trenchcoat

 

[thedonduck]

Can Obama do that?? Do you think the hospital ought to break hipaa, or is that setting a precedent? Do you have a source?

Straight from the mouth of Buddy Dyer, our mayor of Orlando. He was speaking at the news conference. He said he spoke directly with Obama who in turn went to the correct agencies to authorize them to break guidelines in order to help.

 

[LAB81018]

Inadequate security.

If you are going to operate a business where your customers are denied their right to carry weapons to defend themselves, you have an obligation to provide adequate security to provide for their safety.

Or possibly dead security

 

[thedonduck]

There are so many critically wounded and they are saying many do not have identification outside of possible cell phones. So how else do you identify without breaking HIPPA guidelines? There are times those guidelines don't make any sense, identify and notifying victims families would be one of them in my opinion

 

[MPB82]

Nobody in the Islamic community has come out against this act of violence in the sense that killing people for their sexual orientation. Again, who cares if someone is gay? If you aren't then don't be and don't care what others are

I wouldn't put abortion in that category.

Then don't. If things are allowed by law and you don't agree with it then don't do it but don't force others to Obide by your beliefs

It's exactly the same. A hot button issue with two very different but firm beliefs

 

[5DisneyNuts]

Yes, of course they are. Imam Muhammad Musri was at the press conference.

I saw the press conference live and was disappointed that the Imam didn't use it as an opportunity to denounce the violence called for by Islamic terrorist groups. IMO, he could have said more.

ETA link to video:

 

[L&Lfan]

Nobody in the Islamic community has come out against this act of violence in the sense that killing people for their sexual orientation. Again, who cares if someone is gay? If you aren't then don't be and don't care what others are




Then don't. If things are allowed by law and you don't agree with it then don't do it but don't force others to Obide by your beliefs

It's exactly the same. A hot button issue with two very different but firm beliefs

Thanks for your permission!

 

[MPB82]

It's not about permission. Just because we have different opinions doesn't mean you have to be condisending.

 

[Christine]

This is an honest question. Do you believe that people like this murderer would be unable to obtain guns if they were illegal? Personally, I feel that someone so evil as to kill would either get guns illegally or find other ways to carry out his plans. But I'm truly curious as to how others see this playing out if guns were banned.

Who knows. I guess the only thing we can look at is data from other countries who have bans on guns. Do they have the same number of mass killings countries with legalized guns? If they do, then I guess banning them would not help. If they don't have the same statistics and their's our lower, then I we could say that banning them does work. But honestly, I don't know the data.

 

[thedonduck]

Again, don't diminish this tragedy by throwing in all sorts of political agendas. ALL 102 people who lost their lives or were hurt last night deserve far more acknowledgement than to be turned into a yet another push for gun policies, military agendas, gay rights vs straight rights! This is a horrific event that took the lives of so many senselessly

(Edit for typing too fast)

 

[MPB82]

Original post was edited

 

[JimMIA]

A couple of random thoughts from a retired homicide investigator, SWAT team leader, and EMT:

• It is WAY too early to make any judgements about the cause, motive, actual sequence of events, response, outcome, or where we go from here regarding this tragic mass murder. Facts are super-sketchy at this moment, and we're all processing them through our own narrow perspectives -- including, quite obviously from the political nature of some of the comments, our personal political leanings. It will be several days before we have any halfway clear picture of what really happened here. Some information will not come out for weeks, some may never be released, and some facts will never be revealed. Trying to make judgements at this point, no matter how well-intentioned, is an exercise in futility.
• The death toll from this horrific crime surprises nobody with law enforcement experience. In fact, I'm surprised the number wasn't higher -- and it may go much higher, depending on the nature and severity of the injuries to the 53 injured people. The weapons used, although probably meeting legal restrictions, are very capable of doing enormous damage in a hurry. A semi-auto AR-15 or semi-automatic pistol shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger. An AR-15 fires a very small bullet (basically a glorified .22 caliber round), but at tremendous velocity. The formula for energy is mass (weight) times velocity SQUARED, so the velocity of the bullet is what makes it so destructive. As someone else posted, the effect is like an explosion because there is not only the energy of the projectile itself, but also the shock wave of energy traveling through the body. The shock waves of a .223 round passing through the body can explode organs without the bullet actually touching them. Considering that there were probably several hundred people in the club at the time of the attack, randomly spraying rounds into the crowd without pointing, much less aiming, would have devastating effect. So the carnage -- as horrible as it is -- is not surprising to me.
• Several quick-thinking people obviously saved many lives. The officer who confronted the subject outside, resulting in an exchange of gunfire, probably saved a lot of lives both inside and outside the club. It's reported that staff members of the club knocked down a partition allowing patrons to escape out the back of the club. The SWAT team apparently knocked down a door or part of a wall, allowing 30 or so people to escape. One patron ripped off his shirt and applied a makeshift tourniquet to stop bleeding of a victim's arm described as "blown apart" -- no doubt saving that person's life.
• This could have been much worse. If this had been a suicide bombing, or a multiple suicide bomber attack, or a chemical/biological attack, there could have been hundreds of fatalities.
• Focus on the victims. This is not about me, it's not about you, and it's not about any of our political beliefs. This is about 50 people who died for nothing more than going to a club with their friends on a Saturday night -- and ran into a young man determined to murder them.

 

[DisneyFan32WI]

Prayers to all.

 

[thedonduck]

102 people????

Sorry, typing too fast and not proof reading. Meant 102 dead or hurt

 

[PooH14]

My thoughts and prayers go out to the families involved. Hated to wake up and see this this morning. Very sad.

These animals throw gay people off roofs in the Middle East. Muslims extremist hate the lbgt community. How anyone can sympathize with these crazies is beyond me. Here's a perfect example of how Muslims view them.

 

[JaneBanks]

102 people????

49 (I'm assuming the 50th is the gunman) dead 53 Injured

 

[thedonduck]

A couple of random thoughts from a retired homicide investigator, SWAT team leader, and EMT:

• It is WAY too early to make any judgements about the cause, motive, actual sequence of events, response, outcome, or where we go from here regarding this tragic mass murder. Facts are super-sketchy at this moment, and we're all processing them through our own narrow perspectives -- including, quite obviously from the political nature of some of the comments, our personal political leanings. It will be several days before we have any halfway clear picture of what really happened here. Some information will not come out for weeks, some may never be released, and some facts will never be revealed. Trying to make judgements at this point, no matter how well-intentioned, is an exercise in futility.
• The death toll from this horrific crime surprises nobody with law enforcement experience. In fact, I'm surprised the number wasn't higher -- and it may go much higher, depending on the nature and severity of the injuries to the 53 injured people. The weapons used, although probably meeting legal restrictions, are very capable of doing enormous damage in a hurry. A semi-auto AR-15 or semi-automatic pistol shoots as fast as you can pull the trigger. An AR-15 fires a very small bullet (basically a glorified .22 caliber round), but at tremendous velocity. The formula for energy is mass (weight) times velocity SQUARED, so the velocity of the bullet is what makes it so destructive. As someone else posted, the effect is like an explosion because there is not only the energy of the projectile itself, but also the shock wave of energy traveling through the body. The shock waves of a .223 round passing through the body can explode organs without the bullet actually touching them. Considering that there were probably several hundred people in the club at the time of the attack, randomly spraying rounds into the crowd without pointing, much less aiming, would have devastating effect. So the carnage -- as horrible as it is -- is not surprising to me.
• Several quick-thinking people obviously saved many lives. The officer who confronted the subject outside, resulting in an exchange of gunfire, probably saved a lot of lives both inside and outside the club. It's reported that staff members of the club knocked down a partition allowing patrons to escape out the back of the club. The SWAT team apparently knocked down a door or part of a wall, allowing 30 or so people to escape. One patron ripped off his shirt and applied a makeshift tourniquet to stop bleeding of a victim's arm described as "blown apart" -- no doubt saving that person's life.
• This could have been much worse. If this had been a suicide bombing, or a multiple suicide bomber attack, or a chemical/biological attack, there could have been hundreds of fatalities.
• Focus on the victims. This is not about me, it's not about you, and it's not about any of our political beliefs. This is about 50 people who died for nothing more than going to a club with their friends on a Saturday night -- and ran into a young man determined to murder them.

All of this!!! Focus on the victims. Stand together today to help all those in need. We can deal with the how's, why's, and what to do to prevent another tomorrow when we have more details.

 

[Snap Crackle Pop]

Again, don't diminish this tragedy by throwing in all sorts of political agendas. ALL 102 people who lost their lives or were hurt last night deserve far more acknowledgement than to be turned into a yet another push for gun policies, military agendas, gay rights vs straight rights! This is a horrific event that took the lives of so many senselessly

(Edit for typing too fast)

but lets not erase the fact they went into a GAY club, this was a hate crime too.

 

[thedonduck]

49 (I'm assuming the 50th is the gunman) dead 53 Injured

I missed part. Meant to say 102 dead or hurt

 

[CPanther95]

Or possibly dead security

Dead security is the ultimate in inadequate security.