Any Reformed FP- Uber Users Who Have Embraced FP+ ?

[Laketravis]

So, who wants to grab a beer, I'm buyin' everybody a steak dinner and three all-expense paid days at the Yacht Club with airfare from anywhere in the continental US!!

Okay, so I admit I did manipulate THAT post.....but that's the only one.

 

[SmithSmith]

Okay, so I admit I did manipulate THAT post.....

 

[mom2rtk]

Help me out guys. I was gone for the afternoon. Before I left I asked for some examples of LT doctoring information in his quotes. But I don't really want to read back through all these pages.

Which post number has my answer?

 

[erc]

help me out guys. I was gone for the afternoon. Before i left i asked for some examples of lt doctoring information in his quotes. But i don't really want to read back through all these pages.

Which post number has my answer?

#841

 

[clsteve]

Help me out guys. I was gone for the afternoon. Before I left I asked for some examples of LT doctoring information in his quotes. But I don't really want to read back through all these pages.

Which post number has my answer?

Three....?

 

[Suvadoo]

Help me out guys. I was gone for the afternoon. Before I left I asked for some examples of LT doctoring information in his quotes. But I don't really want to read back through all these pages.

Which post number has my answer?

The lynch mob started disbanding at post #826. Evidently, Grimly and Shaden were kind enough to review the posts and they found no evidence of wrongdoing.
It's really kinda scary how a person's credibility can be called into question and there's no evidence to support the accusation.

 

[Laketravis]

Here's how it all started:

First, Wisblue tries to make several points in Post #531.

I never even responded to that thread, much less quote him.

I do quote and respond to him in Post #538, but the quote I used came from his Post #536, which are word-for-word what he said and that post has not been edited.

Wisblue then quotes me in post #539, which I respond to and quote him - again, word for word and that post has not been edited.

Then, he accuses me of pulling his quote "out of context and rearranged without showing that you had done that." (Post 550).

It appears that Wisblue got his own posts confused, then accused me of taking his comments out of context, accusations which later became "eliminated words from a sentence I was quoting or added words that were not in the original thing I was quoting." when in fact there was no such thing.

And this is how it ended:

OK, first of all, I apologize for being away from the board for the last several hours. I don't feel compelled to sit at my computer or tablet all day to participate in these discussions.

Second of all, I apologize for my faulty recollection about the sequence of posts a couple of days ago. I went back and looked at them, and I see that Lake Travis is correct that his quote came from post 536 (in which I was responding to another poster) and not from post 531 in which I had made a similar point but in a different, broader context. Because LT's original response to me (in post 552) suggested that he acknowledged that he had edited my post, I didn't bother to go back and look at the others until now.

So, because I really am interested in a civil and amicable discussion I admit that I was wrong and apologize to LT and to everyone else that got sucked into this little part of the discussion.

 

[erc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec-8A5k16Ak#t=0m22s

 

[SmithSmith]

The lynch mob started disbanding at post #826. Evidently, Grimly and Shaden were kind enough to review the posts and they found no evidence of wrongdoing.
It's really kinda scary how a person's credibility can be called into question and there's no evidence to support the accusation.

To be fair, LT kinda owned up to it in post #552, when he said:


WisBlue: It just occurred to me that the "quote" that you were responding to was taken out of context and rearranged without showing that you had done that.

Lake Travis: No malicious intent and I think the essence of your point was conveyed nonetheless. Nobody is keeping score, Wis. At least that I'm aware of. Your original post is still available for full view.

See Wis wasn't the only one who misremembered. You can see how it all just snowballed from there.

I really don't think its fair to place all the blame on one side. Just my 2 cents, and please no one take this as me trying to stir the pot. I really would like this to end.

 

[jade1]

Feels kinda pointless after these guys rode every ride at all 4 parks (7DMT and Pan twice) in one day this Nov.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKG0xd2rEZw

 

[SmithSmith]

Feels kinda pointless after these guys rode every ride at all 4 parks (7DMT and Pan twice) in one day this Nov.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKG0xd2rEZw

I know! I remember watching one of these types of videos and the people in it had only used 1 fast pass (for soarin) the whole day!

 

[Laketravis]

To be fair, LT kinda owned up to it in post #552, when he said:

WisBlue: It just occurred to me that the "quote" that you were responding to was taken out of context and rearranged without showing that you had done that.

Lake Travis: No malicious intent and I think the essence of your point was conveyed nonetheless. Nobody is keeping score, Wis. At least that I'm aware of. Your original post is still available for full view.

I didn't "kind of own up to it", I've already explained that I made that comment as a courtesy to Wis because he led me to believe that I didn't quote his "full" comment, and that part was true; I only quoted his point that I was responding to.

I really don't think its fair to place all the blame on one side. Just my 2 cents, and please no one take this as me trying to stir the pot.

I don't fault the mistake as much as I do the ones who just took it and ran with it.

I really would like this to end.

I can see that

 

[SmithSmith]

I didn't "kind of own up to it", I've already explained that I made that comment as a courtesy to Wis because he led me to believe that I didn't quote his "full" comment, and that part was true; I only quoted his point that I was responding to.



I don't fault the mistake as much as I do the ones who just took it and ran with it.



I can see that

Sorry, I should've said "from my perspective LT kind of owned up to it" because that's where my confusion began, and I'm guessing many others had interpreted the same comment in the same way. I understand now what you meant, but I didn't at that time.

 

[Laketravis]

It's a good thing us cavemen have tough skin, I guess.

 

[wisblue]

Can I please make it clear that I am taking the blame for this misunderstanding and not blaming anyone who may have taken it and run with it?

The confusion started in my post 550 when I mistakenly thought that my post 531 (the one I quoted in post 550) was the source of the quote that LT used in his post 538.

I wouldn't expect anyone else to go back and see if there was a different post that had included that quote.

 

[Hokie2000]

It's one of the slowest times of the year right now--yesterday was a 2 on the Easywdw scale!--and as I noted above, FP+ seems to work best when crowds are low (like what we experienced in August). In mid December, with moderate crowds, there was nothing available at DHS that wasn't named Muppets when we tried to pull 4th FP+s on two different days. Not even for Star Tours, which was shocking to me, because we pulled FP+s for that ride like crazy in August (11 rides in two days ). My beef with the system is that it "works" when you need it least. I just looked, and RNRC has a current wait time of 25 minutes. Just now, I was able to get a FP+ for it for my family of four 20 minutes in the future--not too shabby. If the system had that availability in December, I would have been happy. But once you get to a moderate crowd level, the fact that Disney's ride capacity is seriously lacking becomes readily apparent. Oh, and I should note that even on a day like today, with an actual wait time for TSM of 35 minutes, there are no FP+s available for it for even one person.

I know it's a slow time of year. That's why we travel to WDW in January. Laketravis stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that his advice would be to avoid the long kiosk lines and if no one was in a kiosk line don't bother because there's likely no good FPs left. It doesn't apply in every situation. That is my point. Unless I travel to each park 365 days a year I won't know kiosk lines/availability for every crowd level. All I know for sure is what I was there to see yesterday. DHS was a non recommended park on EasyWDW yesterday if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't exactly dead empty. Th

 

[Hokie2000]

It was an accusation without example. But your advice does not go unheeded - it seems it's much more effective for someone to not use quotes at all and simply say "He said" or "They said" if they are trying to convey a meaning that was not the original.

When your "PR team" jumps to your defense, I for one will not waste time searching through this thread to quote both their's and your posts.

 

[Shaden]

I know it's a slow time of year. That's why we travel to WDW in January. Laketravis stated (and I'm paraphrasing) that his advice would be to avoid the long kiosk lines and if no one was in a kiosk line don't bother because there's likely no good FPs left. It doesn't apply in every situation. That is my point. Unless I travel to each park 365 days a year I won't know kiosk lines/availability for every crowd level. All I know for sure is what I was there to see yesterday. DHS was a non recommended park on EasyWDW yesterday if I'm not mistaken. It wasn't exactly dead empty. Th

I do think this is fair.

To also be fair, some of the biggest advocates for FP+ advocate it because of its impact during the busier times of the year. They rarely qualify their comments and view points as such. Quite often the conversation around FP+ just assumes medium to high crowds, as if that's the only time people go.
So I am not surprised if someone who doesn't particularly like FP+ also speaks about it as if it were a fairly busy time of year, and generalizes as such.

I mean how many times have I read:

FP+ is great because I was able to go to the parks in the afternoon (or evening) and have my 3 FPs, no WAY was that possible in FP-

FP+ is great because at least I know I am getting on 3 rides, no way was that true under FP- unless we were there at the crack of dawn.

FP+ is great because I can have 3 rides for the afternoon, use RD, and get way more done than we could have under FP-.

Etc etc....

But none of that is true in the lower crowd levels. When we tour, we were able to pull FPs all day, for all the biggest attractions, even TSMM sometimes !!!! like, in the afternoon even !

FP+ does have its advantages, I can see them, but the mostly apply when crowds are higher, IMO.

On lower crowd days, over all, I can't see how FP+ is better than FP-. It might suit your touring style, but if you maximized either system, I would wager you would get more done (if that is your goal) under FP-.

 

[Hokie2000]

When your "PR team" jumps to your defense, I for one will not waste time searching through this thread to quote both their's and your posts.

My bad, I missed all the hoopla - apparently you were falsely accused - I'm glad that's all cleared up and I apologize for my sarcasm.

For the record, I wasn't trying to pile on to that specific incident, just snarkily explaining why I occasionally paraphrase.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

I am only jumping in here to say wow. I have been reading the thread for a few days now. I am glad to see every one got civil and looks all peaceful again.
I am in the middle of beginning plans for our trip in Dec. We normally go to DL so this is a first (well second) trip to wdw.
First trip was not good but that wasn't any ones fault. Just things happened that messed up my plans. This time it is just my family and I. Last time it was mom dad and sis too. (enough said.)

Any ways I do not think FP+ will be perfect but to me FP was not perfect. I do like what I think I will be able to do each day. I think for my touring plans it will work.

I ca also see how it may not work for many people. I am also aware I may not get 4th or 5th fp's but I will still try if I pass one of the short line kiosks.

Thank you for the thread I have enjoyed reading how much many of you were able to get done.
I will use EMH in the AM, and RD as well as EMH at night. We will have a party or two nights and we have plans to take it easy for some of the trip. Things we can do in DL are on the if we have time list. (besides HM and Pirates).
We know what we want to do and know to get the things done we want done it will take some good planing. If we don't get it all done.
All well. We are at Disney.

PS wow i love the you tube video of the guys who did all WDW rides in 17 hours.