When do you think Disney will release the Island Tower sales information (point charts, etc)?

[maui22]

We now have the master declaration for the Island Tower at Polynesian Villas and Bungalow. Next step should be Disney releasing sales information, point charts, etc.

Would be fun to hear why everyone thinks a certain date.

Historical data for context…
declaration.

	VGF	PVB	CCV	Riviera	VGF2-BPK	VDH	CFW	IT/PVB2
Timeshare License Granted	12/8/11	9/17/13	9/6/16	7/17/18	7/16/21	8/8/22	10/20/23	5/29/24
Days before opening	276	303	314	517	339	416	255	204
Master Declaration	3/28/13	1/7/15	2/21/17	2/25/19	1/12/22	12/22/22	12/29/23	7/31/2024
Days before opening	209	84	146	294	159	280	185	137
Sales info released	5/20/13	1/8/15	3/1/17	3/25/19	2/17/22	4/18/23	1/16/24
Days before opening	156	83	138	266	123	163	167
Sales begin to existing members	5/23/13	1/12/15	3/8/17	3/27/19	3/3/22	5/2/23	2/1/24
Days before opening	153	79	131	264	109	149	151
Sales begin to new members	6/19/13	2/19/15	4/5/17	4/15/19	3/31/22	5/30/23	2/27/24
Days before opening	126	51	103	245	81	121	125
Resort opens	10/23/13	4/1/15	7/17/17	12/16/19	6/20/22	9/28/23	7/1/24	12/17/24

Edit: The best-worst average sales for by month of deeds using DVCNews information. Based on July 2010-November 2023 data. @wdrl

1. April
2. January
3. July
4. March
5. August
6. June
7. May
8. September
9. October
10. February
11. November
12. December

 

[Genie+]

I voted Sept 8-14 since that’s the latest I’d expect.

Hoping for August!!!

 

[MonkeyKnifeFight]

I lean towards sooner because we are already 4 months away from opening.

 

[_auroraborealis_]

I lean towards sooner because we are already 4 months away from opening.

Correct, but they are choosing to open with only cash bookings.

 

[JackosinDIS]

Really hoping it’s this coming Tuesday so sales can begin in the next couple of weeks as I’m in WDW from 13th to 25th and would love to buy while I’m there… not even sure if I can buy from the UK otherwise!

 

[ehh]

Working backward from the known Oct 1 incentive period date we know:

• New incentive period begins Oct 1
  • I think this is when Sales begin to new members happens
    • My conjecture: I'd expect initial new member sales to get at least 1 month of runtime before a new incentive period and that window is closing*
• I think that places Sales begin to existing members between Sept 3 - 17, based on precedents in @maui22's data above
  • I'm erring to the earlier side of that, I think sales will begin week of Sept 3 (Labor Day is Sept 2)
• Last two resorts gave 2 weeks of info being out prior to sales, though with very mixed results
  • Working back two weeks from week of Sept 3 puts Sales info released into week of Aug 19, which is my prediction, though I think the week after is nearly as likely

* Keen eyed among you might realize there's a 2nd, narrow path to satisfy this conjecture: Sales begin to new members by end of August, which basically requires a Sales info release this week, followed by Sales to existing members within a week or so. This is entirely plausible to me

 

[maui22]

I edited the original post with some data using Wil Lovato at DVCNews data. Interesting to see bad DVC sales are the closer we get to the holidays.

 

[disneylandtour]

I know this is late. But I think this is so close to the new fiscal year that, simply to have clean records and a strong 2025 year, they'll bump sales (at least) to Oct 1. Also, with Epic Universe on the horizon, I think that DIS will need every cent to show a reasonable year for Parks and Resorts. $30K sales of DVC points over and over will go long way to do that.

 

[Sandisw]

The pricing and incentives for BPK did not get released until the day sales went live. So, I will be surprised if we get that before the actual day you can buy.

 

[VandVsmama]

We now have the master declaration for the Island Tower at Polynesian Villas and Bungalow. Next step should be Disney releasing sales information, point charts, etc.

Would be fun to hear why everyone thinks a certain date.

Historical data for context…
declaration.

	VGF	PVB	CCV	Riviera	VGF2-BPK	VDH	CFW	IT/PVB2
Master Declaration	3/28/13	1/7/15	2/21/17	2/25/19	1/12/22	12/22/22	12/29/23	8/2/2024
Days before opening	209	84	146	294	159	280	185	137
Sales info released	5/20/13	1/8/15	3/1/17	3/25/19	3/2/22	4/18/23	1/16/24
Days before opening	156	83	138	266	110	163	167
Sales begin to existing members	5/23/13	1/12/15	3/8/17	3/27/19	3/3/22	5/2/23	2/1/24
Days before opening	153	79	131	264	109	149	151
Sales begin to new members	6/19/13	2/19/15	4/5/17	4/15/19	3/31/22	5/30/23	2/27/24
Days before opening	126	51	103	245	81	121	125
Resort opens	10/23/13	4/1/15	7/17/17	12/16/19	6/20/22	9/28/23	7/1/24	12/17/24

Edit: The best-worst average sales for by month of deeds using DVCNews information. Based on July 2010-November 2023 data. @wdrl

1. April
2. January
3. July
4. March
5. August
6. June
7. May
8. September
9. October
10. February
11. November
12. December

I think it'll be announced at D23.

 

[maui22]

The pricing and incentives for BPK did not get released until the day sales went live. So, I will be surprised if we get that before the actual day you can buy.

Do you recall the actual sales starting date? Was it March 1, 2022? The day Tim posted this article. Wondering if I have been off on the BPK dates.

https://www.dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts...s-at-disney-s-grand-floridian-resort-spa-2022

I see Tim posted about the travel set on March 3, 2022.
https://www.dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts...avel-set-for-first-500-grand-floridian-buyers

 

[Sandisw]

Do you recall the actual sales starting date? Was it March 1, 2022? The day Tim posted this article. Wondering if I have been off on the BPK dates.

https://www.dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts...s-at-disney-s-grand-floridian-resort-spa-2022

I see Tim posted about the travel set on March 3, 2022.
https://www.dvcnews.com/wdw-resorts...avel-set-for-first-500-grand-floridian-buyers

It was March 3rd, 2022. I talked to my guide the day before because I was going to lock in the BLT special just in case the deals for VGF were not better than that.

He said not to bother...which indicated he knew the prices would be better!

 

[maui22]

It was March 3rd, 2022. I talked to my guide the day before because I was going to lock in the BLT special just in case the deals for VGF were not better than that.

He said not to bother...which indicated he knew the prices would be better!

Thank you!

Updated the information in the top of the page to reflect that date for both the sales information release and the start of the sales.
That must have been an interesting day on the boards.

 

[T00dles]

Really hoping it’s this coming Tuesday so sales can begin in the next couple of weeks as I’m in WDW from 13th to 25th and would love to buy while I’m there… not even sure if I can buy from the UK otherwise!

Fingers crossed for you!

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Working backward from the known Oct 1 incentive period date we know:

• New incentive period begins Oct 1
  • I think this is when Sales begin to new members happens
    • My conjecture: I'd expect initial new member sales to get at least 1 month of runtime before a new incentive period and that window is closing*
• I think that places Sales begin to existing members between Sept 3 - 17, based on precedents in @maui22's data above
  • I'm erring to the earlier side of that, I think sales will begin week of Sept 3 (Labor Day is Sept 2)
• Last two resorts gave 2 weeks of info being out prior to sales, though with very mixed results
  • Working back two weeks from week of Sept 3 puts Sales info released into week of Aug 19, which is my prediction, though I think the week after is nearly as likely

* Keen eyed among you might realize there's a 2nd, narrow path to satisfy this conjecture: Sales begin to new members by end of August, which basically requires a Sales info release this week, followed by Sales to existing members within a week or so. This is entirely plausible to me

Your work here is really appreciated, ehh
To clarify, references to NEW or EXISTING MEMBERS excludes RESALE ONLY owners, yes?

 

[Sandisw]

Your work here is really appreciated, ehh
To clarify, references to NEW or EXISTING MEMBERS excludes RESALE ONLY owners, yes?

Anyone who owns a DVC contract will be eligible to buy during the members only sales period.

It has nothing to do with direct or resale. New members are those who are not yet owners.

 

[ehh]

Your work here is really appreciated, ehh
To clarify, references to NEW or EXISTING MEMBERS excludes RESALE ONLY owners, yes?

Sales to existing members 'pre-sales' periods have always included resale-only members, afaik. Resale-only members are still DVC members!

 

[macman123]

Resale would be existing owner.

 

[tjkraz]

I know this is late. But I think this is so close to the new fiscal year that, simply to have clean records and a strong 2025 year, they'll bump sales (at least) to Oct 1. Also, with Epic Universe on the horizon, I think that DIS will need every cent to show a reasonable year for Parks and Resorts. $30K sales of DVC points over and over will go long way to do that.

It's very likely that Disney can bump the sales to any period where they want it without violating GAAP. Regardless of when the contract is signed, there's a mandatory right of rescission period. Then it takes a few more weeks for the sale to close. In some cases it takes months if the initial payment is drawn out. You could probably make a sound argument for not booking the revenue until after the building opens in December.

Point being, pretty much any time from here on out could result in the sales not being booked as TWDC revenue until after October 1. They don't have to wait until 10/1 to start taking phone calls and emailing contracts.

 

[Mai Ku Tiki]

Anyone who owns a DVC contract will be eligible to buy during the members only sales period.

It has nothing to do with direct or resale. New members are those who are not yet owners.

Thx, Sandi. Good news!
(That's why it's sometimes confusing when perks are offered to DVC "Members" with an * noting "only Direct Buyers are eligible.")