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Captain Cans Coughing Teen From 10-Hour Flight
Continental 's Action Infuriated the Parents of 16-Year-Old Rachel Collier
A 16-year-old girl was ordered off a plane in New York Tuesday for coughing too much. The airline's action infuriated the girls parents, who, thousands of miles away, eagerly awaited her return.
By BLAIR SODEN

March 28, 2007— You may want to bring a doctor's note next time you plan to fly somewhere but are feeling a bit under the weather.

A Continental Airlines pilot ordered a 16-year-old girl off a plane in New York Tuesday for coughing too much, a decision that infuriated parents eagerly awaiting her return thousands of miles away.

Rachel Collier's mother was waiting for her daughter to return home to Honolulu after a class trip to Washington, D.C., and New York when she got a call from one of the trip supervisors telling her that Rachel wouldn't be coming home just yet.

"She explained what was happening, and I thought it was an April Fool's joke because I couldn't imagine that happening," said Stephanie Collier, Rachel's mom.

But the airline wasn't kidding around and a spokesman Wednesday stuck by the captain's preogative to remove the girl, calling that authority the industry standard.

Rachel boarded the nonstop flight to Hawaii with 40 classmates and two teachers she was traveling with. Moments after Collier was seated, she began to cough uncontrollably — suffering from a cold she caught from some of her friends earlier in the week.

After a few minutes, members of the flight staff asked the teen if she was OK.

"The flight crew was giving her the option of whether she wanted to stay or not," said Collier. "A doctor onboard even did a brief physical, said she sounded clear, to give her some NyQuil and she'd be fine, but the pilot didn't want to listen to that."

Instead, according to Collier, he stepped in and asked that she be taken off the flight.

"I can confirm that there was a passenger who was asked to deplane because she was very ill," said Julie King, a Continental Airlines spokeswoman. "As a precautionary measure for the passengers around her, she was asked to get off [the plane]."

A plane's captain has long had the authority to scrutinize a situation on the aircraft, even before Sept. 11, according to King.

"It's the sole discretion of the pilot to remove anyone from the flight," King said.

The airline echoed King in a statement released Wednesday.

"The captain is the ultimate authority in the plane and can remove passengers for the good of other passengers. In this instance, the captain felt he was acting in the best interests of the passenger and other passengers on the flight."

The circumstances surrounding the flight may have influenced the pilot's decision to remove Collier from the aircraft. The nonstop flight was 10 hours long, and five of those hours were over the open ocean. If the pilot was forced to land the plane for an ailing passenger, there would be nowhere to touch down in open water.

An incident earlier that day may have also affected the pilot's decision. Monday, 272 passengers aboard another Continental Airlines flight were detained after landing in Newark under suspicions of bird flu spreading among some of the passengers. The two events, however, are unrelated.

Despite the circumstances, Collier said that in her opinion, the pilot overreacted.

"I thought it was a little extreme, but I feel like the airlines are under so much scrutiny right now and people are being treated differently," she said. "I understand their concerns with passenger safety. I want them to have that authority, so it's a double-edged sword."



The Collier family met the other students at the airport Tuesday evening to gather their daughter's luggage and spoke with the pilot who'd had their daughter removed.



"The pilot said he's had a lot of situations where he didn't take action and regretted it later," said Collier. "There was a mistake made, but they're owning up to it and going above and beyond."



Rachel will arrive home Wednesday night, but Collier said she would know better next time.



"Rachel was afraid. She didn't think this was going to happen, so she didn't say anything," said Collier. "It's lessons learned, one more thing we needed to learn about how to further protect ourselves when flying."
 
I saw this yesterday. For me the deciding factor was that an MD cleared her as medically fit to fly. That says to me that the pilot was a butthead and CO owes the girl, the teacher, and the respective families a HUGE apology and some form of "usable" compensation. In otherwords 100 FF points isn't going to cut it.

I understand that the plane is the pilots responsibility, but this was not someone who was coughing up blood, running a high fever, or with congested lungs. If we stopped everyone from flying with a common cold, during the winter months we'd probably have to take 20-30% of the passengers off the plane.

My other concern is where would it end? What if she was coughing because she had seasonal allergies which were causing an irritating post-nasal drip? It's certainly not contagious, nor is it something that would cause the plane to have to make an emergency landing.

The pilot was absolutely wrong by deplaning her once she was cleared by the MD.

Anne
 
Poor girl. But can you imagine being one of the passengers next to her? 10 hours of bad coughing? Gosh, that would have been fun!
 
Sometimes you have a cough and you aren't contagious. When I flew to WDW last Dec, I was as sick as a dog. I was taking a lot of meds to control any sneezing/coughing. I knew that folks on the plane with me wouldn't be too happy if they thought they were going to get sick from my germs. My flying companions very nicely allowed me to sit in the window seat so I could sleep..thanks TLinden and CamColt!!! But, after about 3 days, I was feeling much better, except for one thing....I would get these coughing fits. They would be so bad I would start tearing up from it. I got more dirty looks. I wasn't contagious....it just happened. Even tried telling people they were't going to get sick. When I got home, I found out that my new B/P meds were causing the cough!!!
I can imagine how awful that poor girl felt...and her poor parents, what a nightmare for them.
 
Feel so bad for her...I've had HORRIBLE coughing fits in public places...so embarassing.
 
I saw this yesterday. For me the deciding factor was that an MD cleared her as medically fit to fly. That says to me that the pilot was a butthead and CO owes the girl, the teacher, and the respective families a HUGE apology and some form of "usable" compensation. In otherwords 100 FF points isn't going to cut it.

I understand that the plane is the pilots responsibility, but this was not someone who was coughing up blood, running a high fever, or with congested lungs. If we stopped everyone from flying with a common cold, during the winter months we'd probably have to take 20-30% of the passengers off the plane.

My other concern is where would it end? What if she was coughing because she had seasonal allergies which were causing an irritating post-nasal drip? It's certainly not contagious, nor is it something that would cause the plane to have to make an emergency landing.

The pilot was absolutely wrong by deplaning her once she was cleared by the MD.

Anne


Agree! I can't imagine how that girl felt. They could have given her a cough strip and a cup of hot tea and she would have probably been fine. I'd be furious if I were the parents of this girl.
 
Wow, I cant imagine, that poor girl, I think the captain is an idiot, especially after a dr saw her and said she was fine. A normal cold isnt something that you have to have an emergency landing for.
 
The doctor cleared her and the NyQuil would have knocked her out for most of the flight. Easy solution but the pilot complicated it tenfold.
 
Gotta agree with the pilot on this one. The dr that "examined" her didn't know her at all, probably didn't have an accurate medical history for her etc.
A 10 hr non stop flight....what if she had a severe attack of asthma or worse, then everyone would be blaming the pilot and airline for letting her fly.

He made a decision with an abundance of caution and I think he did the right thing. Inconvenience 1 passenger for the comfort and safety of 100....works for me.

BTW, if something had happened to the girl while on the flight, we'd be hearing how some passenger was grossed out because a dead passenger was put beside him for a 10 hour flight.:sad2:
 
Gotta agree with the pilot on this one. The dr that "examined" her didn't know her at all, probably didn't have an accurate medical history for her etc.
A 10 hr non stop flight....what if she had a severe attack of asthma or worse, then everyone would be blaming the pilot and airline for letting her fly.

He made a decision with an abundance of caution and I think he did the right thing. Inconvenience 1 passenger for the comfort and safety of 100....works for me.

BTW, if something had happened to the girl while on the flight, we'd be hearing how some passenger was grossed out because a dead passenger was put beside him for a 10 hour flight.

I agree too! i can't imagine having to be on the flight with someone coughing for TEN HOURS?!?!
 
I think the pilot was way off base. Give her hot tea and cough drops (they did this for me for a flight where I was coughing a lot) and she'd be fine. Trust me I doubt with engines roaring you would even hear her cough much. I think the pilot was wrong to go against a doctor. To reply to a PP a doc looks at me now and then and I am mostly a complete stranger to her and she will make her diagnosis. What is the difference?
 
I think I have to agree with the pilot on this one. Five hours with no where to land.

nonstop flight was 10 hours long, and five of those hours were over the open ocean. If the pilot was forced to land the plane for an ailing passenger, there would be nowhere to touch down in open water.

If she was coughing that hard, and seemed to have trouble catching her breath I would not want to be over open ocean if that kid stopped breathing.

Rachel boarded the nonstop flight to Hawaii with 40 classmates and two teachers she was traveling with. Moments after Collier was seated, she began to cough uncontrollably — suffering from a cold she caught from some of her friends earlier in the week.

And this was a Dr on the plane who listened to her chest. Not someone who knew her at all.

"A doctor onboard even did a brief physical, said she sounded clear, to give her some NyQuil and she'd be fine, but the pilot didn't want to listen to that."

I would say err on teh side of caution and wait until she was better to fly that length of time.
 
The doctor cleared her and the NyQuil would have knocked her out for most of the flight. Easy solution but the pilot complicated it tenfold.


I want to know how the doctor had Nyquil on the plane? Isn't that a liquid and liquids are banned? Oh wait, maybe it was the pills...and they don't work half as good as the liquid.

And depending on what Nyquil it was it might not have knocked her out cause they do have a daytime formula too.


I think the pilot was way off base. Give her hot tea and cough drops (they did this for me for a flight where I was coughing a lot) and she'd be fine. Trust me I doubt with engines roaring you would even hear her cough much. I think the pilot was wrong to go against a doctor. To reply to a PP a doc looks at me now and then and I am mostly a complete stranger to her and she will make her diagnosis. What is the difference?

I would think that the doctor that looks at you now knows your medical history and knows if you have any underlying conditions that would cause you to cough really bad. A total stranger doctor giving her a quick once over would not know this.
 
OK, I'll confess that I was in a similar situation myself not too long ago.

We were flying to Orlando from O'Hare (Chicago) a couple of years ago to go to WDW, of course. An annoucement was made asking for any doctors or nurses on the flight.

I identify myself as a pediatrician, and USUALLY, it is an adult having a problem, so I get "off the hook".

Well, this time, it is a 10 year old girl who is having respiratory difficulties. She was traveling alone, as an unaccompanied minor.


So, I head to the back galley area, where the girl, some flight attendants, and a couple of nurses are already gathered. The girl looks unhappy, but is not in distress. I find out that she is asthmatic, and she has a Baggie with her meds - Singulair and an albuterol inhaler, which she just used. I ask for a stethoscope, which the flight attendants get for me, and her lungs are actually pretty clear.

Well, to make a long story short, we continue to talk to the girl and after about 20 minutes, we find out that her parents are divorced, and she is being sent down to Florida to spend her summer visitation month with her dad and step-mom. She complains a lot about how she DISLIKES her dad and step-mom, and how she doesn't want to go, but has to. We eventually get her on to other topics, and her "breathing problem" goes away. By the time the plane lands, she is happier and feeling better.

So her "breathing problem" was really a manifestation of her unhappiness and anxiety, and not a severe asthma attack. Now, this was not a 10 hour flight, and we were already more than halfway there, but I'm glad everything turned out well, and we continued on.
 
I don't know. I don't drink the nasty liquid NyQuil and the pills knock my *** out!
 
Yep. Sorry. I'll have to side with the pilot.

I lean toward the pilot. I've gotten sick soooooo many times from people sitting next to me with bad viruses. Besides, the doc "said" she was 'clear' but without an xray, my doctor thought I was ok too. With the xray, he found I had pneumonia in both lungs. Flying with that kind of virus usually makes it much worse too. I do have great sympathy for the young woman and her companions. It's too bad they couldn't have gotten her treatment prior to flying. She won't be worse for the wear, she's 16 and not 6. Good to know that the airlines are considering passengers well being in arenas other than pregnancy.
 
I have a terrible cough right now, I'm glad I don't have any plans to flight anywhere ;)
 











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