Does anyone has experience with their student athlete gray shirting??

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So my son who committed to play DI football in July just found out about 2 weeks before signing day that he might have to gray shirt. This means that he would have to defer enrollment until January of 2022. He would still receive his full scholarship but he would become part of the class of 2022 and not the class of 2021 that he has begun to develop relationships with. The coaches explained that this is because of Covid and the extra year of eligibility extended to the athletes. The school needs to determine whether they will allow the program to have 85 scholarships but a way around it is gray shirting. I knew that this would be an issue in August when the NCAA made their decision about eligibility and I just wish the coaches had been more upfront about the possibility in September and October but it is what it is. My kid feels like he was chosen because we live in NY and he may not get the opportunity to play at all this year while the other recruits have had their seasons. It a big blow to his ego and we are discussing options but I don't really think he would de commit. He is just disappointed and a bit confused. I was wondering if anyone here knows someone who had this happen or has experience with it. He will attend a local college part time in the fall as he needs to continue school ( We will pay for the 3 classes)

Thanks
 
Our neighbor is doing the grey shirt thing for his D1 school. He is looking at it as a good thing as it is giving him that extra year to increase size for his guard position. If your son is a lineman as well, he can use the year to increase strength as he continues grow during the year.

As for the lack of playing this year, most of the teams here chose not to play until Spring. The teams that did play only played a few games before they had to stop due to COVID. Our neighbor played one game before they had to cancel the rest of their games because either they had too many COVID cases or the opposing team did. It is pretty well known that the teams that played more than a few games were breaking the COVID rules but since HS isn't the NFL the rules weren't enforced.
 
He could still go to the college, but you’d have to pay out of pocket so keep that in mind if he’s disappointed about having to go local.

This has been my worry all along for our HS senior athletes, honestly. Allowing an extra year of eligibility was going to trickle down and affect our seniors.

My advice, I’d look at it as a gift because his 4th year of ncaa eligibility will include a year of graduate school if he stays on track. That can be more expensive than undergrad. Or, I’d decommit and find another school he can play at right away (assuming the school meets his academic needs). I’d be open with the coaches that your son wasn’t looking to gray shirt and this poses a problem. Their hands are tied though.

When we were discussing this possibility with our daughter, one positive is that she can start college without the pressure of practices and travel and it can give her a year to get settled. So it’s not all bad news.

Also, if he goes to the school he committed at for his gray shirt year, he can still participate in non-conference activities. When my daughter was going to start college early since we have no volleyball in WA, she would have been able to do their preseason training. I’d talk to the coaches and find out how much your son can do with the team if he’s there for the 2021 season.
 
Thank you for your response. My son is a lineman as well so yes it will give him to gain strength but our concern would be if he does not get to play this spring it will be almost 2 years of not playing football. We see it could go one of two ways - either he becomes really driven or becomes lackluster due to not having the competition. I am concerned about the schooling aspect since he is hybrid right now and he is not getting the skill work that he will need to be successful in college. My question was about how many classes he could take at our local community college because there is no way he can go 6 months without school. He can take up to 3 classes and be ok eligibility wise. It also means that he will probably be able to get a masters out of the deal as well. It just kinda took us by the blindside.
 
He could still go to the college, but you’d have to pay out of pocket so keep that in mind if he’s disappointed about having to go local.

This has been my worry all along for our HS senior athletes, honestly. Allowing an extra year of eligibility was going to trickle down and affect our seniors.

My advice, I’d look at it as a gift because his 4th year of ncaa eligibility will include a year of graduate school if he stays on track. That can be more expensive than undergrad. Or, I’d decommit and find another school he can play at right away (assuming the school meets his academic needs). I’d be open with the coaches that your son wasn’t looking to gray shirt and this poses a problem. Their hands are tied though.

When we were discussing this possibility with our daughter, one positive is that she can start college without the pressure of practices and travel and it can give her a year to get settled. So it’s not all bad news.

Also, if he goes to the school he committed at for his gray shirt year, he can still participate in non-conference activities. When my daughter was going to start college early since we have no volleyball in WA, she would have been able to do their preseason training. I’d talk to the coaches and find out how much your son can do with the team if he’s there for the 2021 season.

Thank you for your reply. Yes they explained everything to us last night. It was not what we thought the call was going to be about. I just wish the coaches would have said something in October or November but it is a business. I don't think he would de commit (not sure where else he would probably not face the same issue) and they told us he could drive up to Buffalo (about an hour from home) as many days as he wanted to be part of the team for lifting or other activities just can't practice or suit up. He might be able to be on the sidelines for games though. I see the upside of things but he just took it pretty hard last night. He feels that the coaches must not have confidence in him and see him as too big a project. It is just a lot to consider at this late junction.
 
So my son who committed to play DI football in July just found out about 2 weeks before signing day that he might have to gray shirt. This means that he would have to defer enrollment until January of 2022. He would still receive his full scholarship but he would become part of the class of 2022 and not the class of 2021 that he has begun to develop relationships with. The coaches explained that this is because of Covid and the extra year of eligibility extended to the athletes. The school needs to determine whether they will allow the program to have 85 scholarships but a way around it is gray shirting. I knew that this would be an issue in August when the NCAA made their decision about eligibility and I just wish the coaches had been more upfront about the possibility in September and October but it is what it is. My kid feels like he was chosen because we live in NY and he may not get the opportunity to play at all this year while the other recruits have had their seasons. It a big blow to his ego and we are discussing options but I don't really think he would de commit. He is just disappointed and a bit confused. I was wondering if anyone here knows someone who had this happen or has experience with it. He will attend a local college part time in the fall as he needs to continue school ( We will pay for the 3 classes)

Thanks

It means they want someone else more. Otherwise they'd be asking them to gray shirt. By the way a gray shirt is worth nothing. You're relying on the word of the coaches. They are not required to enroll him and give him a scholarship come time to do so and he signs no paperwork. Now most do honor gray shirts because if word gets out you're stiffing people, that's going to affect recruiting. But what if the team is lousy or the coach is involved in a scandal and fired? The incoming coaches have no legal, nor moral obligation to honor that gray shirt. He doesn't practice with the team. These surprise gray shirts two weeks before early signing day when it is often too late to make alternative arrangements are a scummy practice I'd like to see eliminated from college football. I'm truly sorry it happened to your son.
I'd be looking around and see what might turn up were I him. This is just early signing day. Some schools will be done, but many will be looking until the next signing day in february.
 
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Thank you for your reply. Yes they explained everything to us last night. It was not what we thought the call was going to be about. I just wish the coaches would have said something in October or November but it is a business. I don't think he would de commit (not sure where else he would probably not face the same issue) and they told us he could drive up to Buffalo (about an hour from home) as many days as he wanted to be part of the team for lifting or other activities just can't practice or suit up. He might be able to be on the sidelines for games though. I see the upside of things but he just took it pretty hard last night. He feels that the coaches must not have confidence in him and see him as too big a project. It is just a lot to consider at this late junction.

It’s not that they don’t have confidence in him. Their seniors get to come back for an extra year so he’s competing for a spot against other lineman with 4 years of college football experience.

I don’t blame him for taking it hard. This is a major disappointment and it’s one a lot of 2021 HS athletes are facing right now.

If he loves the college and hopefully he does because there’s always the chance that athletics doesn’t work out for a number of reasons, I’d find a way to get him there for the 2021 school year and pay out of pocket. He can still be a part of the campus and team and that will help bridge the gap.
 
If I remember right, your son had other offers. I wouldn’t necessarily assume that these other colleges would want your son to gray shirt. They may not have all their seniors returning and will have lineman spots open for 2021. It’s worth contacting the coaches to find out if they still have an open offer for your son. Your son might be able to make a more informed decision if he has that information. It’s probably too late and they’ve filled the spots, but I’d probably reach out to them anyway so I wasn’t wondering what if.
 
So he just had a verbal? He has not signed his NLI? I might look to other schools that were interested and see if they are still interested before you make the decision.
 
If I remember right, your son had other offers. I wouldn’t necessarily assume that these other colleges would want your son to gray shirt. They may not have all their seniors returning and will have lineman spots open for 2021. It’s worth contacting the coaches to find out if they still have an open offer for your son. Your son might be able to make a more informed decision if he has that information. It’s probably too late and they’ve filled the spots, but I’d probably reach out to them anyway so I wasn’t wondering what if.

Yes he did have other offers but they places are going to be full of kids staying because they did not play at all this fall. Most his other offers were FCS schools so those places are not going to have openings either. I feel for the coaches because of the NCAA offering eligibility it puts schools in a tough spot. And I wouldn't want kids being told thanks for the last 4 years and so what if you only got to play 6 games we are done with you. You make a great point but I feel like a lot of kids are going to be getting this news as schools learn what kids are planning to come back.
 
Yes he did have other offers but they places are going to be full of kids staying because they did not play at all this fall. Most his other offers were FCS schools so those places are not going to have openings either. I feel for the coaches because of the NCAA offering eligibility it puts schools in a tough spot. And I wouldn't want kids being told thanks for the last 4 years and so what if you only got to play 6 games we are done with you. You make a great point but I feel like a lot of kids are going to be getting this news as schools learn what kids are planning to come back.

It’s just a really tough situation for all. The coaches are between a rock and a hard place with these recruiting decisions. I think it’s going to impact next year as well. The coaches may have to choose between 2021 and 2022 recruits so even as a gray shirt, he may not have a guaranteed spot for 2022. I don’t want to freak you out, but it could happen. If he gets on campus and participates where he can, he may help the coaches see that he’s committed to the program and willing to put in the effort.
 
I know we were so excited about signing day on the 18th. I bought everyone sweatshirts. The team has looked awesome this year and it was shaping up to be great but this is the story of our lives nothing ever goes smoothly or to plan. The coaches did say they they would sign a letter for us that guarantees he would be on scholarship. I know that the letter is not a binding agreement but it did make me feel a bit better. I felt like the coaches felt like dirty salesmen presenting it to us and they told us time and time again that it might all be mute point if kids decide not to come back or the school is allowed to have more than 85 scholarships since the NCAA can't seem to make up their minds about it. It is just another reason why 2020 sucks.
 
So you said that his admission and scholarship in 2022 are not guaranteed?

That is a bad deal; he has been demoted from admitted to waiting list.

You/he might want to look into other colleges he has been accepted at if choosing that alternative is not too late.
 
Because of the NCAAs decision to allow the athletes another year of eligibility, but no real guidance on how to make it work, many kids are going to be gray shirting. The schools are being placed in a very tough spot since they now have to figure out what to do with these kids. Many kids are being given preferred walk on status with the hope that they can get a scholarship down the road. Our options are very limited at this point. It is a state school and we can afford it if things do not work out. It is the school he wants to attend so it is what it is. We talked to a few people who have kids already in the program and they rave about the coaches so I think it is the best fit. Most of my son's other offers were for FCS schools and I believe those places will have even fewer openings since they did not play this year at all. My kid has only been playing football since 7th grade but he is a big boy. The places see potential in him. He has come around to the idea and is still excited to be a part of the program.

Thank you to everyone who gave opinions and advice. It is appreciated.
 
If it makes you feel any better due to Covid our oldest, a non-athlete class of 2021 is taking a gap year next year. We had the option to red shirt both our late summer children, yet didn’t so we could have the gap year or 2 built-in. A lot of exceptions are being made and things adjusted for Covid.
 
It is a state school and we can afford it if things do not work out. It is the school he wants to attend so it is what it is.

This parallels what the most honest coach I know always tells prospective college athletes: Choose the best school you can get into academically because the athletics could disappear. You could get hurt and not be able to play any more. You could get burned out and decide you don’t want to play. The coach you love could leave the program. The school could get rid of the sport. The coach could turn against you and make your life miserable.

This longtime coach has seen it all, and even though his life obviously is based upon athletics, he says academics should be the focus of a college choice.

Good luck to your son, and I hope he has a successful academic and athletic college career! When both are possible, there’s nothing more rewarding!
 
I don’t have any advice about what your son should do now, but it sounds like you’re on the right track. I know how difficult making these decisions can be. My son is a four year NCAA athlete who was in his fourth year last year. He had seven months in on training and practicing and all those things they do in preparation for the playing season, when they lost it all in March due to Covid. Tough as senior, but it was tough on everyone else who was part of the team, as well. I’m still on the parent group emails and many people continue to be at a real loss of what to do, even now - with talk of transfers, loss, finances, scholarships, studies, new teams, you name it. There is a lot of disappointment all over with what has happened to teams. My son could’ve played a fifth year, but chose not to, as he wanted to move on with life and start his chosen career, etc. He had an absolutely amazing time, though, during his four years with his team, and it will be an experience he cherishes for a lifetime.

Why am I posting? Well, reading through some of the messages that underclassmen (and others) wrote to DS to say goodbye, brought me to tears many times over. Many freshmen shared with him that he was the first person who welcomed them to the team, always had a hello for them, and mentored them in the sport, etc. I’m not going to say it surprised me, but being somewhat shy himself, it was something I was really glad to see. And reading what his coaches had to say about him couldn’t have made me more proud. Some of the things I read were things I hadn‘t heard from this team before - in college, there is very little parental involvement, if any (save for maybe a little bit of volunteerism ie fundraising and food), and the students don’t say much, so things can be a bit of a mystery, lol. So it was really nice that they all did that for the seniors.

Anyway, here’s my point: He should definitely try to work out with the team as much as he can, so they can get to know eachother. He should be friendly, and courteous, and listen to advice from others, etc. In other words, be humble. Some of these teams can have some strong personalities, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing; he just has to figure out where he fits in. But going in, he wants to show that he’s willing to work hard and listen as well as let his own personality shine if and when he feels comfortable. You never know what can happen if he’s liked and valued, even if it’s a minor role of some sort while he’s gray shirting. A friend of mine’s son made a good D1 football team but spent more time with his girlfriend than the team and subsequently didn’t really get to know team members and later felt he didn’t fit in, etc., and is now no longer playing. So that initial time with the team is important. Workouts are bonding time. They are also required to do volunteer activities so if possible, have your son do them with them. They always wind up having fun. Good luck, my fingers are crossed for him!
 
Just wanted to give a follow up. The coach called last night and said that my son is good to go to sign on the 16th. They have a scholarship available and he will be enrolled for next fall. So the whole discussion was a mute point but one that had to be had. He is our youngest and while the older 3 play/played college sports they were not on scholarship. Well my son earned a rowing scholarship for 3 years but not the same as a football one. My 2 daughters have both decided not to use their 5th year of eligibility to play lacrosse so my days of watching kids play sports are numbered. Thanks again for all the advice.
 
Just wanted to give a follow up. The coach called last night and said that my son is good to go to sign on the 16th. They have a scholarship available and he will be enrolled for next fall. So the whole discussion was a mute point but one that had to be had. He is our youngest and while the older 3 play/played college sports they were not on scholarship. Well my son earned a rowing scholarship for 3 years but not the same as a football one. My 2 daughters have both decided not to use their 5th year of eligibility to play lacrosse so my days of watching kids play sports are numbered. Thanks again for all the advice.

I’m really happy for your son that it worked out. Phew!

Volleyball had an earlier signing day and without our schools open, we did our own “ceremony.” We had FB Live and Instagram going and my daughter made a speech. Her friends, family and coaches were able to watch. We got some decorations and managed to make her feel celebrated. The school usually has an assembly for the kids with local press. Are you going to do anything special? The contract comes via docusign. We made up our own funny contract so DD could “sign” something.

Dd is our 4th child and our other 3 also played college sports so I understand knowing the days of school sports are limited.
 
He will officially sign on the 16th at like 7 in the morning using docusign and then we will have a little signing on the 18th since that is an in person school day. We will facetime my oldest in while everyone else will be there in person. It will be at the end of the school day with his coaches. Good luck to your daughter. Thanks for all your advice.
 












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