Plans have been filed for DVC expansion at Caribbean Beach Resort

[lockedoutlogic]

No, I am not talking about a second pool. Or not one that is explicitly distinguished as such, anyway.

You are assuming that the net balance will be out of the moderate and into the deluxe. I am suggesting that the opposite is just as likely, if not moreso. Having a moderate option could actually take some of the pressure off of the lower cost deluxe categories. Maybe. Like I said, I don't think the direction of the shift in balance (if there is one) is obvious.

Do you think the 200,000 or so existing owners that were sold on a "deluxe" program are desperate to get to Caribbean?

Is that how you read the tea leaves? I don't quite look at it that way.

 

[Madonna3]

Nothing that I ever felt was dangerous, no. When the storm was rolling through last year and I crossed over to eat, yeah, the winds were stiff but nothing that I wouldn't have expected nor would feel out of place.

consider yourself fortunate. Some days, those winds are brutal.

 

[Madonna3]

Do you think the 200,000 or so existing owners that were sold on a "deluxe" program are desperate to get to Caribbean?

Is that how you read the tea leaves? I don't quite look at it that way.

Right? As a DVC owner I am in no way rushing to go own at CBR. Maybe time will change my mind, but as the plans look right now - nope.

 

[zemra406]

So I like idea...

So do they run the Star Wars express just to the dvc? Or do you build a little hub so pop, AoA, and the old Caribbean can ride?

I guess either but it would be simpler to have only a single stop. Could be like a monorail on wheels. Shouldn't cost much and no new gate needed.

 

[jade1]

You are assuming that the net balance will be out of the moderate and into the deluxe. I am suggesting that the opposite is just as likely, if not moreso. Having a moderate option could actually take some of the pressure off of the lower cost deluxe categories. Maybe. Like I said, I don't think the direction of the shift in balance (if there is one) is obvious.

Do you think the 200,000 or so existing owners that were sold on a "deluxe" program are desperate to get to Caribbean?

Is that how you read the tea leaves? I don't quite look at it that way.

Second...the only way this flys without blowing the whole model up is if they go cheap point chart...6 a night. Which means it will be mobbed by point shavers.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Right? As a DVC owner I am in no way rushing to go own at CBR. Maybe time will change my mind, but as the plans look right now - nope.

And that door swings the other way...

If you buy in at high cost to Caribbean...do you stay there? Or start scouring for "better" locations and vacate the place?

The chicken at OPR is good...but not THAT good.

 

[sachilles]

I guess either but it would be simpler to have only a single stop. Could be like a monorail on wheels. Shouldn't cost much and no new gate needed.

Shouldn't be a huge endeavor, relatively speaking. However, the current build spot doesn't work well for a shared stop with AoA. I wouldn't be impressed to have to take an internal shuttle from that spot, to a terminal, then a 10 minute tram. Especially with the open area in the resort that would be the perfect spot for that.

 

[jade1]

Agree if they want to make it work they can. Maybe they could route the parking lot trams from DHS through the woods to victory way. Would take 10 minutes round trip tops. Much faster than the bus and uses existing transportation options.

Smart idea. A bit further than MK's longest-about 0.60 miles, this would be about 0.80. Insignificant. Does have some roads though to contend with.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

If you look at the context...I said that why they CANT go cheap points...and that doesn't even explain why cheap points are a bad deal economically.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I guess either but it would be simpler to have only a single stop. Could be like a monorail on wheels. Shouldn't cost much and no new gate needed.

Pop, AOA, and Caribbean don't pay enough for direct park access...how do you get around that one?

And if it's just dvc...how do you restrict all those rooms in close proximity?

 

[dlavender]

I flip flop on this in my head. I'm trying to picture the sales pitch.

If they go with only building the minimum necessary (we can all argue on what that may or may not be), which I think will be standard DVC rooms, give it a view, add a QS, and a quiet pool, they would have to price them at 60 points a week. This gives it a buy in of about $3k less than SSR or OKW. The biggest selling factor will be the price, and points necessary for use. I think price and point allotment necessary will drive occupancy on its own. On the flip of this thought, however, is the thought, was $3000 the difference in making or losing a DVC sale? Is there a segment that would buy if the price was just $3000 lower, and yearly dues $100 less? Enough of a segment that they would build a resort to cater to it?

I don't know if having a 60 pt/wk property would have that much of an adverse affect on the system. It could add these much sought after value rooms. I don't see it detracting from the Poly or GF, they were never looking at CBR in the first place. If anything, it adds value to those properties. "Look what you get for 15 points a night!"

Perhaps its worth it for them to spend exponential more dollars to get it up to the 15point/75 point per week level. Perhaps they think they could fill it either way?

I'm not sure how much building room they have, but pp's maybe right. A new regular DVC in line with boardwalk. Separate from CBR.

On another note, didn't CBR just get a renovation? Or perhaps that was just for certain sections.

 

[mcd2745]

On another note, didn't CBR just get a renovation? Or perhaps that was just for certain sections.

The rooms got a refresher (new decor, queen beds instead of doubles, etc) a couple of years ago.

 

[zemra406]

Pop, AOA, and Caribbean don't pay enough for direct park access...how do you get around that one?

And if it's just dvc...how do you restrict all those rooms in close proximity?

I guess I was thinking more of a single stop. From the gate of DHS direct to where the path comes out near Victory way. There'd be no way to restrict access but it would be a long walk from pop or aoa to that location. The path comes out on Victory way near where barbados is today.

 

[sachilles]

It's more near Aruba, no?

 

[mab2012]

It would cause more booking "imbalance" in the system.

And if you understand the numbers...that would limit how many points they can sell. In essence: cheaper per point nights make the sale of the property less valuable. It also reduces what they collect for maintenance fees.

I understand the numbers just fine. Reducing per-night point cost doesn't necessarily reduce total points, if you pack more rooms in the same space. And even if you don't completely make up that difference, operating costs are probably a bit lower with reduced amenities and higher occupancy density. And maybe per-point maintenance fees are a bit higher than they would be otherwise.

The first statement is speculation, not fact.

Do you think the 200,000 or so existing owners that were sold on a "deluxe" program are desperate to get to Caribbean?

Is that how you read the tea leaves? I don't quite look at it that way.

Not desperate to get to the Caribbean specifically, no, but desperate for lower cost options. How else do you explain the desire to pack 5 people into standard view studio rooms in low season?

Again, I'm not arguing that this is what they're doing, or that it's what they should do. Only that it's plausible.

 

[writerguyfl]

I'm reading some discussion about how the Bay Lake Tower bridge might serve as an example of a bridge from Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort into Epcot. However, the actual distances involved aren't comparable. According to the Google Maps' Measure Distance tool, the Bay Lake Tower bridge is about 260 feet (80 meters). The path between the Custom House area and the closest guest area inside Epcot is 1,300 feet (400 meters).

 

[Madonna3]

And that door swings the other way...

If you buy in at high cost to Caribbean...do you stay there? Or start scouring for "better" locations and vacate the place?

The chicken at OPR is good...but not THAT good.

Exactly. It's like people who bought at OKW and SSR using their points for the GF.

 

[Golfjbc89]

A few thoughts...

- People have mentioned a DVC only entrance, i dont think Disney would do that. as much money grabbers as they have been none of the other transportation or entrances are restricted to certain groups of people.
- If they extend the friendship boats through epcot to CBR the ride all the way through to DHS would take probably over 30 minutes with the stops. I know its a nice ride, but at 8am when im trying to get to the parks i want quick not nice. (i get anxious)
- I can see them doing this as a test with only starting in the Barbados section and if it does well (selling out and occupancy) then i can see them knocking down section by section until this is just a DVC resort.

I've never stayed here but i have to imagine the pool and amenities need a major upgrade to be on par with DVC

 

[Madonna3]

I'm reading some discussion about how the Bay Lake Tower bridge might serve as an example of a bridge from Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort into Epcot. However, the actual distances involved aren't comparable. According to the Google Maps' Measure Distance tool, the Bay Lake Tower bridge is about 260 feet (80 meters). The path between the Custom House area and the closest guest area inside Epcot is 1,300 feet (400 meters).

That's a looooong bridge.

 

[rteetz]

People have mentioned a DVC only entrance, i dont think Disney would do that. as much money grabbers as they have been none of the other transportation or entrances are restricted to certain groups of people.

Isn't there a Grand Californian only entrance? I mean theoretically they could do it. Obviously I'm with you saying they won't though.