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Old 02-28-2014, 11:42 PM   #16
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thanks giles! he is probably more stubborn than you. I still haven''t been able to talk him into going to lighthouse or anywhere else for help . sigh. he is not accepting this or dealing with it well.

I'll look into those ideas! why no dog? didn't the resort allow it? I'm sure I saw a guide dog at a disneyresort. and I'm pretty sure it was POFQ.

pofq is a small ersort. I think you will like it!

ps we are ging end of april, beginning of may.

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Just so you know if you have not heard, Disney is after 5 years of it being a law finally putting in Braille menus, I will be going to 26 restaurants and asking for one at each. I bet none will have them, but I will let you know, although I don't think it affects you so much, he does not need it yet. The menus are suppose to be on the narrative devices also, but as of last may they were not, I thought mine was defective, but we were there 12 days and each day I got a device and all 12 days the menu option did not work, I ask at guest relations but they could not get the menus up either.

Oh and thanks for the info on the hotel, I was able to change to pofq, we pay more and we also have to have a garden room and pay even more for a view I won't see. I doubt they will accommodate anymore than what I have done for myself, but I think I can handle it more at the quieter hotel. It just sounded like the other one would never have worked.
I think you are mistaken about the requirement to have Braille menus. The Ada does not require it nor is there any florida specific statute that does. The restaurant could provide Braille menus if they choose but they could also opt to have an employee read the menu to the visually impaired person.

I'm also confused about your apparent anger that you are paying for the room you reserved?? If you didn't want a garden view then why reserve it?
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Well, he doesn't have a mobility issue or need a seat in line. now that it no longer exists I can say he used to get the alternate entrance stamp. we would like to use either the exit or the FP queue, which doesn't meander back and forth for as long a distance. and as I stated earlier, we have no problem waiting our turn.

we will definitly try to get a DAS. they gave us one in oct. at DL, on the first day the new system kicked in. the CM started to refuse, and I just looked at her and said "I know he need ones". maybe she gave in quickly because there was so much broohaha about it and she didn't want to deal with a debate?

I wish I had kept it. rats. all I have is an old GAC.
The DAS will not get you in through the exit. It will get you in through the FP queue, but that does not address anything that you described in your first post about the issues. In the FP queue he will also have people ahead of him and behind him. He will still have to navigate (with your assistance) onto the ride vehicle. And I can't think of one FP queue that didn't have switchbacks and pretty much follow a lot of the standby queue?

I think he'd be a lot less stressed out if he had a wheelchair and someone to do the navigating for him. There's no way he could be convinced that the trip would be much more fun for everyone if he used a wheelchair sometimes?
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The DAS will not get you in through the exit. It will get you in through the FP queue, but that does not address anything that you described in your first post about the issues. In the FP queue he will also have people ahead of him and behind him. He will still have to navigate (with your assistance) onto the ride vehicle. And I can't think of one FP queue that didn't have switchbacks and pretty much follow a lot of the standby queue?

I think he'd be a lot less stressed out if he had a wheelchair and someone to do the navigating for him. There's no way he could be convinced that the trip would be much more fun for everyone if he used a wheelchair sometimes?
we will see. sometimes it does. and after numerous trips to WDW, I am famiiar with the queues, and many of the FP queues themselves are shorter and meander less than the standby ones. great movie ride is one instance. nemo, we just went to the door by the exit.

each ride and instance will be judged individually. we'll only use the DAS if it will help, of course. maybe showing it to the CM at the ride and explaining things will convince them to allow us to go to the exit. (at the return time, of course. like I said, we are NOT trying to shorten our wait.)

it will not be more fun for everyone (just him and me) with a wheelchair.. he can walk. he just can't see. and he feels disabled enough already without someone sticking him in a wheelchair he doesn't need. he already feels "useless" (his words, not mine, I know he's not, that's just how he feels) so many things he can't do anymore. he was slways the driver in the family, for one. he worked 60+ hours a week as a machinist all his life and can't do that anymore, he is a vorcacious reader and is having a lot of troubele with that. etc people with disabilites want to be an independant as possible. he can walk fine. ( not saying people in wheelchairs are useless. not saying that at all. that's just not HIS disability.)

thanks to many people for the good suggestions. we will be trying for a DAS. if a manager at one park doens't give it to us, we will try again at another park. I know it will help a lot with his disablity.

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I think he'd be a lot less stressed out if he had a wheelchair and someone to do the navigating for him. There's no way he could be convinced that the trip would be much more fun for everyone if he used a wheelchair sometimes?
That is a totally insensitive remark to a person with a disability. What if I said I wish they did away with all elevators and family members can just carry the disabled up the stairs. Would a trip for a w/c person who had to be carried up the steps or stairs be a lot more fun for them.
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That is a totally insensitive remark to a person with a disability. What if I said I wish they did away with all elevators and family members can just carry the disabled up the stairs. Would a trip for a w/c person who had to be carried up the steps or stairs be a lot more fun for them.
Yes, the wording on that could have been better (instead of making it be "more fun for everyone" have it be "more enjoyable/less stressful for him"), but really, that comment is a bit out of line. Multiple people have tried to give you help and ideas, giles, and you have either shot them all down or complained about them. I'm sorry that you feel Disney doesn't do "enough" for guests with disabilities in general and you in particular, but that has not been the experience for the vast majority of people on this board. As I have stated, I will be traveling with 2 visually impaired people next month, one uses a cane exclusively the other uses a guide dog which will be coming with us every day, so I will be able to provide a definitive list of which rides will allow a SD on, which rides have a portable kennel stored there, and which ones you have to wait for it to be brought over, as well as where the kennel is set up.

As for asking for Braille menus at each restaurant and being upset if they don't have them, as long as someone is available to read them to the guest, they are in compliance with the ADA. There *ARE* guidebooks offered in Braille, and you can pick one up at guest services in each park, but I'm sure the $25 refundable deposit would be a deterrent, right? And I see nothing in the description of the audio devices that says it will read out the menus at each restaurant to you; in fact, it specifically says:
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Since restaurants don't have "existing show audio", it would follow that devices that make use of that audio wouldn't work where it doesn't exist.

I'm sorry that you're going to have such a horrible visit because you moved your reservation to a more expensive resort and will have a "useless" view; I'm sorry you don't feel that your SD would be "safe" enough in the park to bring him with you if it would be easier for you (even though plenty of other people with SDs bring them with no trouble); I'm sorry you won't have everything exactly the way you want it when you want it. I hope even going into it not expecting to enjoy it that you end up having fun.

To the OP: it's definitely worth a shot to try for a DAS, but it also wouldn't hurt to be prepared with an alternate plan if it's not provided or if it doesn't work exactly the way you intended it to work. It may take a little more work, but I have no doubt that you and your family can work together to make the trip enjoyable for everyone.
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we will see. sometimes it does. and after numerous trips to WDW, I am famiiar with the queues, and many of the FP queues themselves are shorter and meander less than the standby ones. great movie ride is one instance. nemo, we just went to the door by the exit.

each ride and instance will be judged individually. we'll only use the DAS if it will help, of course. maybe showing it to the CM at the ride and explaining things will convince them to allow us to go to the exit. (at the return time, of course. like I said, we are NOT trying to shorten our wait.)

it will not be more fun for everyone (just him and me) with a wheelchair.. he can walk. he just can't see. and he feels disabled enough already without someone sticking him in a wheelchair he doesn't need. he already feels "useless" (his words, not mine, I know he's not, that's just how he feels) so many things he can't do anymore. he was slways the driver in the family, for one. he worked 60+ hours a week as a machinist all his life and can't do that anymore, he is a vorcacious reader and is having a lot of troubele with that. etc people with disabilites want to be an independant as possible. he can walk fine. ( not saying people in wheelchairs are useless. not saying that at all. that's just not HIS disability.)

thanks to many people for the good suggestions. we will be trying for a DAS. if a manager at one park doens't give it to us, we will try again at another park. I know it will help a lot with his disablity.
Another thing that you might try is if you are refused a DAS, try a few rides and if you have a problem. go back to Guest Services and tell them why it is not working for you. They might reconsider.
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That is a totally insensitive remark to a person with a disability. What if I said I wish they did away with all elevators and family members can just carry the disabled up the stairs. Would a trip for a w/c person who had to be carried up the steps or stairs be a lot more fun for them.
I'm sorry - I didn't mean it to sound that way - I was trying to address the stress and anxiety the OP talked about, not the visual disability. I pointed out how the DAS would not alleviate the stress her husband felt while navigating a queue. The DAS doesn't remove the queue completely, nor the people in front and behind, and that was what the OP stated was the big issue.

But your example is actually the opposite of what I stated, so that is just to me?
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Yes, the wording on that could have been better (instead of making it be "more fun for everyone" have it be "more enjoyable/less stressful for him"), but really, that comment is a bit out of line. Multiple people have tried to give you help and ideas, giles, and you have either shot them all down or complained about them. I'm sorry that you feel Disney doesn't do "enough" for guests with disabilities in general and you in particular, but that has not been the experience for the vast majority of people on this board. As I have stated, I will be traveling with 2 visually impaired people next month, one uses a cane exclusively the other uses a guide dog which will be coming with us every day, so I will be able to provide a definitive list of which rides will allow a SD on, which rides have a portable kennel stored there, and which ones you have to wait for it to be brought over, as well as where the kennel is set up.

As for asking for Braille menus at each restaurant and being upset if they don't have them, as long as someone is available to read them to the guest, they are in compliance with the ADA. There *ARE* guidebooks offered in Braille, and you can pick one up at guest services in each park, but I'm sure the $25 refundable deposit would be a deterrent, right? And I see nothing in the description of the audio devices that says it will read out the menus at each restaurant to you; in fact, it specifically says:

Since restaurants don't have "existing show audio", it would follow that devices that make use of that audio wouldn't work where it doesn't exist.

I'm sorry that you're going to have such a horrible visit because you moved your reservation to a more expensive resort and will have a "useless" view; I'm sorry you don't feel that your SD would be "safe" enough in the park to bring him with you if it would be easier for you (even though plenty of other people with SDs bring them with no trouble); I'm sorry you won't have everything exactly the way you want it when you want it. I hope even going into it not expecting to enjoy it that you end up having fun.

To the OP: it's definitely worth a shot to try for a DAS, but it also wouldn't hurt to be prepared with an alternate plan if it's not provided or if it doesn't work exactly the way you intended it to work. It may take a little more work, but I have no doubt that you and your family can work together to make the trip enjoyable for everyone.
I have a letter written by Disney directed to me dated 12/2008, in summery it states, at this time Disney is in the process of putting maps and menus in Braille and large print as you have requested, we will inform you when they are available. Five years later they now say they are doing it. ( I wonder what would happen if it took five years to make paths accessible to w/c's.)

Smidgy this is to you I may be rude but I am honest and I have experience with a visual disability, personal experience in both dlr and wdw, as a statutorily blind individual. If you are not familiar with the term it is Social Security term, to be declared statutorily blind you need to have less than 20/200 vision I your good eye, or less tha. 20% of field vision! this gives you full benefits of a blind person. Visual impairment is not blind. It is like saying someone is slow, is not the same as someone who has and please forgive me if this is not the politically correct term to date but mentally retarded. Someone who is slow can have an IQ of 80 but to be mentally retarded you have to have an IQ of below 70.

On this board in the last two months they keep telling blind people they can not have a DAS I am not sure that is true, but I do no for a fact that not one person who is blind has writing that, so to me it is speculation on the people who only think w/c and autism is a disability for Disney.

On this board I ask a question on the kennels at the rides, not one person answered that question without speculation. Not one person has admitted to using them, not one person admitted to having seen them used. One person said how it is done at US but no one can say how Disney does it. But they want to speculate and down anyone who wants to use them as insensitive and cruel.

On this board they believe that only w/c should be accommodated or autism. And if you do not fit than they tell you to get a stroller or a w/c and use it.

I am giving you facts as a blind person who meets all the definition to blindness. And I am giving you the honest experience I have run into not speculation, not what they do at US and not what they will do for a w/c or autistic person but what they do for me who is blind.

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Will allow a dog in the room who is a guide dog and never question it.
Will not give you front row seating even if you have a card stating it, they will tell you it is for the safety of there staff for the dog not to be in front row of theaters, or that the dog is not safe I. The front or there is no more front row seats to be had, they don't care what your card says.
They dlh, PPH will both orientate you to your room, both will give you an easy access room without charging you more, both will allow your dog anywhere. Both will work with you getting your trekker and your dog to spot and return to the door of your room, and several other places, like elevator hat, or pool gate. Disney little mermaid has Braille and large print menus and have for a while. Dlr has kennels outside the gates that are I expensive and are accessible to blind individual.

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Will not allow the guide dog, according to three seperate CM on the phone, but I believe they would if I showed up. Wdw will not orient you to your room. Wdw will not give you an accessible room unless as a blind person you want strobe lights to flash when there is a fire, if you turn this accommodation down they will not give you any other accommodation as far as room, so you have to pick the smallest hotel and a specific room type, but even then when you are paying for it, they will still not for sure give you a room that is a straight path or as straight as can be to the front desk. So you may end up like I did in 2008 stuck out In a storm, unable to find your way to the room. Unable to find your way back to the front desk, standing with water I. Front of you and unable to find the bridge to the front desk, and begging others for help and when you get to the front desk they will just tell you to cross the bridge and it is the second building down. You will then have to get a manager and after three hours I. Tears you may get a room that is not on the other side of a lake. Especially after you paid for prefered. Wdw will have kennels somewhere for use at the park rides, but no one can say how they work no one can tell you what security they have and everyone on this board will give you insensitive remarks and speculation of there thoughts although they have no clue how they work. If you call Disney and ask you will be told no dogs are allowed even if you use the word guide dog or service dog, you will then be put thru three more people who will tell you the same thing no dogs allowed, the. You will get a fourth person who will tell you the kennels are over by POR but your can not bring a dog to the park.

Smidgy it is up to you, you can take the advice of a person who has experience with blindness and going to Disneyland and world, or you can take the speculations from others who think since Disney always accommodates w/c and autism that they will accommodate you also. And there is a link for what a visit was like for the national federation for the blind, and it sounds like they had a great visit, but remember they did not say anything about the room accommodations, they had the head of Disney disability team lead them around which the normal joe like you and me will not.

I don't have the choice of a w/c, since my dd has cerebral palsy and would not be able to push me. And as much as I am tempted, dept of licensing will not give me a liscence for a car so Disney to make there job easier and have everyone with a disability sit in a w/c, blind persons should not be giving permission to use an electric w/c.

That is an honest report of what Disney will not do or will do and what if any accommodations after 20 visits that I have or have not received. That is from a person who is blind and understand visual impairments, not from those who want to shove your husband I to a w/c, or who want to speculate or who want to tell you how another park does it. Those are my experiences and I can give you a lot more. I am not bitter, I am telling you don't count on a park known to accommodate w/c or autism to give you any accommodations if you are blind because they won't. Yes, sit your husband in a w/c and they will. This board does not wish to help anyone who does not fit into the only two disabilities they know, w/c and autism and they suggest everyone with any other disability just use a w/c, and maybe that would work for many but not for blind. It is up to you. For me I will stand proud and say no to becoming uniform so that Disney can continue to win awards for being accommodating because they are not unless you use a w/c or have autism. If my attitude seems bitter, well so be it, at least I am not asking you to lie about your disability and use a w/c and I am not rude saying what the hell he can walk and stand so why are you complaining. If you ask me others are the bitter ones and they make a lot of assumptions which do not at all help those who are blind. I also will continue to ask for even though I am denied equal access, because so far Disney and this board think access should only be equal if you have a w/c or you have autism and that is the truth.

If there is someone blind on this board who has a different experience they have not spoken up in the last four years. If someone could have giving truth to the service dog and kennels they did not speak up. If someone who is blind has information on the DAS card they have not spoken up.
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We must be reading different boards...

I've seen several accounts of people with service dogs using the kennels and those that are blind. I've also never seen anyone put down any type of disability or only offer advise to a WC or autism. This board is for advise on Disney's policy I regards to disabilities and how they are handled and that's exactly the kind of advise people are given.
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I think there are issues with the new policies for everyone, so I get what you're saying Giles. My mom has several vision issues, much like Smidgy's DH, but I don't think we'd ever get her to Disney. However, we are planning a trip to Ireland and we'll be using a travel agent. My dad had MS and after a few horrible trips we started using a TA -- the same one for every trip because they understood his limitations and more importantly, his interests.

It may sound like strange advice to give to a person who has been to WDW 20 times, but I'd suggest you use a TA like Dreams Unlimited. It's their job to figure out where you can kennel your dog, which resort would be best for you and to answer all the other questions you can't find answers to on these boards. And if you can find out more information to bring back here that would be great.

We found it even easier to work with a TA when we were going to an area we had visited before because we could tell them all of the must do's, but also all of the issues we had had before. Our TA got a lot out of the relationship too. For example, she said she had never asked to see the w/c accessible rooms in hotels before. After she got us as clients she insisted on it, and she got pretty good at knowing which ones were good accessible rooms and which ones just sucked. I know that helped a lot of the clients she had after us too. She also got pretty good at making things go more smoothly during our trip, so any special requests were already in place before we got there.

Just something to consider. Hope this helps even a little bit.
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On this board I ask a question on the kennels at the rides, not one person answered that question without speculation. Not one person has admitted to using them, not one person admitted to having seen them used. One person said how it is done at US but no one can say how Disney does it. But they want to speculate and down anyone who wants to use them as insensitive and cruel.
I'm sorry that nobody on this board has used the kennels at all the rides before you. I tried to give you information based on how Universal did it, since it would be similar at Disney. Not everybody that is blind uses these boards, and not everyone that goes to Disney uses these boards. You deciding to not bring your SD along is *YOUR* decision.

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So you're saying that when we show up next month with a SD, they will tell us he is not welcome in the hotel room? Um, no. Not unless they want a lawsuit for not being ADA compliant with SDs.

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Wdw will not give you an accessible room unless as a blind person you want strobe lights to flash when there is a fire, if you turn this accommodation down they will not give you any other accommodation as far as room, so you have to pick the smallest hotel and a specific room type, but even then when you are paying for it, they will still not for sure give you a room that is a straight path or as straight as can be to the front desk.
I'm not even sure what this means. What "accessible room" are you wanting? The strobe lights on smoke alarms are for deaf people, all the smoke alarms make sound, which you would hear. They all also have Braille room numbers. Are you wanting Braille on the phone and the TV remote, too? Those are the only other surfaces that I could think of where they would be needed. As for the "room in a straight line from the desk", not all of the hotels have a room immediately adjacent to the front desk. If that bothers you, may I suggest you never stay at the Portofino Bay hotel, because to get to your room you will either have to go around 2 corners and up an elevator, or around 2 corners, outside, down a path, and up an elevator. I'm sure that they could have assigned a bellhop to walk you to your room the first time to make sure you could find it; if you're wanting someone to hold your hand every time you go to your room, you'll need to bring along a friend to act as your navigator. That isn't their job.

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Wdw will have kennels somewhere for use at the park rides, but no one can say how they work no one can tell you what security they have and everyone on this board will give you insensitive remarks and speculation of there thoughts although they have no clue how they work. If you call Disney and ask you will be told no dogs are allowed even if you use the word guide dog or service dog, you will then be put thru three more people who will tell you the same thing no dogs allowed, the. You will get a fourth person who will tell you the kennels are over by POR but your can not bring a dog to the park.
Now it looks like you're just trying to be obstinate. Not *EVERYONE* has said "insensitive remarks". And as for "speculation of their thoughts" ... well, this *IS* a discussion board. If you don't want to hear other people's opinions, don't post here. Again, you asked for information, and I gave you the best information that I had available. I'm sorry it wasn't to your liking.

At this point, Giles, I'm going to have to stop responding to any of your posts. It's obvious to me that my help is unwelcome, because I have the misfortune of being born with vision, and therefore my opinions and thoughts aren't valid to you. Enjoy your trip to Disney ... or not. That is entirely up to you.

To the OP and everyone else that is looking for help, please do not let one bitter person control your desire to go to Disney. I have never, *NEVER* seen a CM at WDW, UO or SW refuse to help a guest with something they're able to help with, even if it's just calling someone else over that is better suited to help because they can't leave their ride/area of responsibility. No, that doesn't mean you will get exactly what you want exactly when you want it and everyone will jump through hoops to make sure that your every desire is cared for before you even express it; it means that they will do their best to ensure that you experience the parks to your fullest extent.
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I'm sorry - I didn't mean it to sound that way - I was trying to address the stress and anxiety the OP talked about, not the visual disability. I pointed out how the DAS would not alleviate the stress her husband felt while navigating a queue. The DAS doesn't remove the queue completely, nor the people in front and behind, and that was what the OP stated was the big issue.

But your example is actually the opposite of what I stated, so that is just to me?
sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I know my husband and how he sees'doesn't see, and I am very familiar with the lines at WDW (we go twice a year.) the DAS WILL alleviate stress. while it doesn't remove the queue completely, it shortens the distance he needs to navigate. (many are not wide enough for proper "leading" (him holding my arm) we end up with me in front and holding hands and me saying "soft left, sharp right about 5 steps till a sharp left, stairs coming up etc.

and it will lessen the amount of time there are people near us. but I never siad that was the big issue. he also gets hurt bumping into things (rocks jutting out of the walls on the lines, bars, etc.)

and if the DAS, as it stands now, won't help, then they need to redefine the DAS. I know it's new and a work in progress. there are disabliites that are not cognitive and donot require wheelchairs. they can easily put on the DAS that , if the standby wait is 45 minutes, we will return to an ALTERNATIVE entrance in 35 minutes.

viola, problem solved.

If they don't give us a DAS I will NOT be allowing people to cut in front of us. most of the time, when I have, we all eventually get to the spot where the line stops moving, and now there are numerous people in front of us who shouldn't be. and no one is moving fast anyway at that point. they just got there faster.

like I said, thanks for all the suggestions. a wheelchair is definitely NOT an option. we will try very hard to get a DAS.
I will go back later and tell them how it didn't work well without one and try again, but I already know from previous trips, before hubby finally agreed to using the GAC, how that will work.
I'll let you all know. also how the front of the show seating works without that stamp also. he does need to be seated in the front.
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Old 03-02-2014, 06:10 AM   #29
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On this board in the last two months they keep telling blind people they can not have a DAS I am not sure that is true, but I do no for a fact that not one person who is blind has writing that, so to me it is speculation on the people who only think w/c and autism is a disability for Disney.

On this board I ask a question on the kennels at the rides, not one person answered that question without speculation. Not one person has admitted to using them, not one person admitted to having seen them used. One person said how it is done at US but no one can say how Disney does it. But they want to speculate and down
Disneyland:
Will allow a dog in the room who is a guide dog and never question it.
Will not give you front row seating even if you have a card stating it, they will tell you it is for the safety of there staff for the dog not to be in front row of theaters, or that the dog is not safe I. The front or there is no more front row seats to be had, they don't care what your card says.
They dlh, PPH will both orientate you to your room, both will give you an easy access room without charging you more, both will allow your dog anywhere. Both will work with you getting your trekker and your dog to spot and return to the door of your room, and several other places, like elevator hat, or pool gate. Disney little mermaid has Braille and large print menus and have for a while. Dlr has kennels outside the gates that are I expensive and are accessible to blind individual.

WDW:
Will not allow the guide dog, according to three seperate CM on the phone, but I believe they would if I showed up. Wdw will not orient you to your room. Wdw will not give you an accessible room unless as a blind person you want strobe lights to flash when there is a fire, if you turn this accommodation down they will not give you any other accommodation as far as room, so you have to pick the smallest hotel and a specific room type, but even then when you are paying for it, they will still not for sure give you a room that is a straight path or as straight as can be to the front desk. So you may end up like I did in 2008 stuck out In a storm, unable to find your way to the room. Unable to find your way back to the front desk, standing with water I. Front of you and unable to find the bridge to the front desk, and begging others for help and when you get to the front desk they will just tell you to cross the bridge and it is the second building down. You will then have to get a manager and after three hours I. Tears you may get a room that is not on the other side of a lake. Especially after you paid for prefered. Wdw will have kennels somewhere for use at the park rides, but no one can say how they work no one can tell you what security they have and everyone on this board will give you insensitive remarks and speculation of there thoughts although they have no clue how they work. If you call Disney and ask you will be told no dogs are allowed even if you use the word guide dog or service dog, you will then be put thru three more people who will tell you the same thing no dogs allowed, the. You will get a fourth person who will tell you the kennels are over by POR but your can not bring a dog to the park.

Smidgy it is up to you, you can take the advice of a person who has experience with blindness and going to Disneyland and world, or you can take the speculations from others who think since Disney always accommodates w/c and autism that they will accommodate you also. And there is a link for what a visit was like for the national federation for the blind, and it sounds like they had a great visit, but remember they did not say anything about the room accommodations, they had the head of Disney disability team lead them around which the normal joe like you and me will not.

I don't have the choice of a w/c, since my dd has cerebral palsy and would not be able to push me. And as much as I am tempted, dept of licensing will not give me a liscence for a car so Disney to make there job easier and have everyone with a disability sit in a w/c, blind persons should not be giving permission to use an electric w/c.

That is an honest report of what Disney will not do or will do and what if any accommodations after 20 visits that I have or have not received. That is from a person who is blind and understand visual impairments, not from those who want to shove your husband I to a w/c, or who want to speculate or who want to tell you how another park does it. Those are my experiences and I can give you a lot more. I am not bitter, I am telling you don't count on a park known to accommodate w/c or autism to give you any accommodations if you are blind because they won't. Yes, sit your husband in a w/c and they will. This board does not wish to help anyone who does not fit into the only two disabilities they know, w/c and autism and they suggest everyone with any other disability just use a w/c, and maybe that would work for many but not for blind. It is up to you. For me I will stand proud and say no to becoming uniform so that Disney can continue to win awards for being accommodating because they are not unless you use a w/c or have autism. If my attitude seems bitter, well so be it, at least I am not asking you to lie about your disability and use a w/c and I am not rude saying what the hell he can walk and stand so why are you complaining. If you ask me others are the bitter ones and they make a lot of assumptions which do not at all help those who are blind. I also will continue to ask for even though I am denied equal access, because so far Disney and this board think access should only be equal if you have a w/c or you have autism and that is the truth.

If there is someone blind on this board who has a different experience they have not spoken up in the last four years. If someone could have giving truth to the service dog and kennels they did not speak up. If someone who is blind has information on the DAS card they have not spoken up.
If you google service dog and wdw you come up with a web page about service dogs at wdw (they are welcome etc etc here are the rides they can't ride due to safety issues, kennels provided etc). There are also several other pages that have reports of people who have brought their service dog to wdw. Normal every day people.
The Ada does require Braille menus but it does require wheelchair accessible paths so you are comparing apples to oranges. Very few of the hotels have rooms right near the desk or in a straight line from the desk. So if they don't have it how can they give it to you?
I hope you have a good trip but you seem so focused on the negative because it's not exactly what you want I honestly don't think you will.

I have traveled with my husband and children who have various disabilities - not autism or in a wheelchair- and Disney is great at accommodating what they can but there are things that they can't change that we deal with.

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Old 03-02-2014, 06:41 AM   #30
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sorry, but I have to disagree with you. I know my husband and how he sees'doesn't see, and I am very familiar with the lines at WDW (we go twice a year.) the DAS WILL alleviate stress. while it doesn't remove the queue completely, it shortens the distance he needs to navigate. (many are not wide enough for proper "leading" (him holding my arm) we end up with me in front and holding hands and me saying "soft left, sharp right about 5 steps till a sharp left, stairs coming up etc.

and it will lessen the amount of time there are people near us. but I never siad that was the big issue. he also gets hurt bumping into things (rocks jutting out of the walls on the lines, bars, etc.)

and if the DAS, as it stands now, won't help, then they need to redefine the DAS. I know it's new and a work in progress. there are disabliites that are not cognitive and donot require wheelchairs. they can easily put on the DAS that , if the standby wait is 45 minutes, we will return to an ALTERNATIVE entrance in 35 minutes.

viola, problem solved.

If they don't give us a DAS I will NOT be allowing people to cut in front of us. most of the time, when I have, we all eventually get to the spot where the line stops moving, and now there are numerous people in front of us who shouldn't be. and no one is moving fast anyway at that point. they just got there faster.

like I said, thanks for all the suggestions. a wheelchair is definitely NOT an option. we will try very hard to get a DAS.
I will go back later and tell them how it didn't work well without one and try again, but I already know from previous trips, before hubby finally agreed to using the GAC, how that will work.
I'll let you all know. also how the front of the show seating works without that stamp also. he does need to be seated in the front.
Hopefully the FP+ queues won't be long like they are now when it is time for your trip then. Although the slow pace of them moving forward might benefit your husband, as he will not feel rushed.

But part of your post still has me . Most of the time, for us at least, the FP queue is the one you have to walk through briskly - the standby is the slower moving queue. Haven't been since FP+ started though, so perhaps my concerns are not justified, but how will he/you handle a fast moving FP queue?
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