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Old 10-07-2013, 05:04 PM   #76
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Just a piece of information that I have received via email from Disney is that the DAS cards will be valid for shows and accessible viewing areas at parades.

I don't know if they will count as a return time or not, but I thought some might like to know.
I just wanted to repeat what I said in the other thread - that these areas are very very crowded, and that, for most sections and parades, do not have a place to sit. Sometimes an area will have a bench, and one area for the parade in DL and one section for WOC (that I know of) have benches. But in these areas wheelchairs will be parked in the front row.

In Fantasmic, the policy until now has been that if someone in your group did not have a physical wheelchair, stroller as wheelchair, or walker with a seat, the party was not allowed into the wheelchair viewing area. Even if you had a GAC which allowed a person to use wheelchair accessible entrances, the section was for wheelchairs only. I do not see them changing this part of the policy. There are NO benches in the Fantasmic viewing area, so there is nowhere to sit.

Wheelchairs are always lined up along the front of the wheelchair viewing area (for daytime parades, that depends on the CMs running the area), and even in the off-season, the wheelchair viewing area for Fantasmic fills very quickly. In fact, to get the best viewing people show up 2 hours early, even with a wheelchair.

In all of the accessible viewing areas, they are generally small and crowded areas. They fill up fast, and are not great places for people who need to be able to move around or who do not like to be crowded or touched. Also, in DL, all wheelchair viewing areas except 1 (one) - once you are in it, and the parade starts or there are people in the areas around you - you are trapped (unless you go off the curb into the parade route, assuming the parade is not happening).

In the Fantasmic and WOC viewing areas, down in the tiers, you will be similarly stuck, crowded in by people around you. Only at the very end of the F! wheelchair section, where viewing is not as good, would you have a chance to leave if a child became overwhelmed.

I say this just to give a heads up to people who may not have been allowed in this section before - they may not be the best areas for autistic children or others who need room to move.
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I just wanted to repeat what I said in the other thread - that these areas are very very crowded, and that, for most sections and parades, do not have a place to sit. Sometimes an area will have a bench, and one area for the parade in DL and one section for WOC (that I know of) have benches. But in these areas wheelchairs will be parked in the front row.

In Fantasmic, the policy until now has been that if someone in your group did not have a physical wheelchair, stroller as wheelchair, or walker with a seat, the party was not allowed into the wheelchair viewing area. Even if you had a GAC which allowed a person to use wheelchair accessible entrances, the section was for wheelchairs only. I do not see them changing this part of the policy. There are NO benches in the Fantasmic viewing area, so there is nowhere to sit.

Wheelchairs are always lined up along the front of the wheelchair viewing area (for daytime parades, that depends on the CMs running the area), and even in the off-season, the wheelchair viewing area for Fantasmic fills very quickly. In fact, to get the best viewing people show up 2 hours early, even with a wheelchair.

In all of the accessible viewing areas, they are generally small and crowded areas. They fill up fast, and are not great places for people who need to be able to move around or who do not like to be crowded or touched. Also, in DL, all wheelchair viewing areas except 1 (one) - once you are in it, and the parade starts or there are people in the areas around you - you are trapped (unless you go off the curb into the parade route, assuming the parade is not happening).

In the Fantasmic and WOC viewing areas, down in the tiers, you will be similarly stuck, crowded in by people around you. Only at the very end of the F! wheelchair section, where viewing is not as good, would you have a chance to leave if a child became overwhelmed.

I say this just to give a heads up to people who may not have been allowed in this section before - they may not be the best areas for autistic children or others who need room to move.
I do agree that they may not always be the best for autistic or those that need room to move. But, I feel that this is good information to know for those of us with difficulty standing for the length of waiting and the show on top of that. However, there is almost always an escape route, but in many cases, you will not be able to get back in once leaving the area. I wouldn't use one of these places if there wasn't, due to my needs. And yes, once the parade or show starts, you are often stuck, but in many cases that is true no matter where you are.

I mean no disrespect here in any way, but I do have some corrections and comments to the information that KPeveler has provided, based on actual experiences this last Saturday:

WOC currently has about five ADA viewing areas throughout the viewing area, in addition to the two in the back. NOTE: Some of these areas may already be filled, depending on the needs of the guests there. With the exception of the ones in the back, they can make these less crowded upon request, if you have the need. There will still be other people there, just fewer people.

Fantasmic!: The ADA viewing area does have benches and those with GACs have been able to use them since about 2011 and I have never heard of anyone with an applicable stamp being turned away since then, unless the viewing area there was already full. NOTE: For those with wheelchairs and ECVs, you can be in the back of most sitting areas and will generally get a better view of the show by doing this.

Aladdin: Currently a GAC, Wheelchair or ECV is required to bypass the stairs (yes, they were making those with canes and walkers use the stairs, which I found ridiculous.)

Parades: At DCA, I know of no specific viewing areas for accessibility, at Disneyland, there is one with benches and yes, wheelchairs may be in front of some of the benches, but due to the incline that they are placed on, you should still be able to see while sitting on the benches and that area does have an escape path, but you may not be able to get back in once you leave.

Unfortunately, the fireworks have no accessible viewing area, which is desperately needed due to how they configure the viewing area now with standing in front of the hub. When they had sitting in front of the hub it wasn't that big of a deal, as wheelchairs could be at the back and see over everyone, now all they get to see is the rear end of the person in front of them.

One other comment is if you don't feel that an ADA spot will meet your needs, talk with a CM and explain your needs. They are usually happy to help and I have not seen them refuse a reasonable request.
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No, you are absolutely not the only person who feels this way and I say to you what I have said to others:

The DAS has not even been implemented yet.

The DAS seems to be an evolving program.

We have no idea what the lines are going to be like to get the DAS card.

We have no idea what the lines are going to be like at the kiosks. We don't even know if they are keeping the kiosks or not.

At least give the new system a chance before getting all ranty and demanding a refund.
I realize it hasn't been implanted yet.

It does NOT seem like an evolving program to me, especially with people telling me it's here it's staying and get used to it.

Granted I'm not a fortune teller about the lines but I am using my knowledge of what we have went through in the past to get things do things and that's BEFORE this system is in effect and EVERYONE has to go to the same place makes it all the more worse.

Same thing with the kiosks.

It is difficult for me to say give it a chance when I already know what does and doesn't work for my son. Sure let's go all the way down there (getting my son excited in the process) and when we get there it's a nightmare my son has several meltdowns but I'll put him through all that just for me to confirm what I already know about my son, he can't do this. Forgive me for being "ranty" but I'm the only one who can when it comes to my son because he can't do it for himself.



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I hope it doesn't happen but if it takes 30 or more minutes to get a card then it isn't equal access
Exactly what I am saying!


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In Fantasmic, the policy until now has been that if someone in your group did not have a physical wheelchair, stroller as wheelchair, or walker with a seat, the party was not allowed into the wheelchair viewing area. Even if you had a GAC which allowed a person to use wheelchair accessible entrances, the section was for wheelchairs only. I do not see them changing this part of the policy. There are NO benches in the Fantasmic viewing area, so there is nowhere to sit.
I'm not saying this doesn't happen to everyone but we actually had a different experience with Fantasmic. My son needs room to move and we need a good exit strategy as I've said but we were allowed to be in the handicapped section of Fantasmic. My son as well as I can stand no problem. Our problems with the handicapped section is that it is way off to the left and we really can't see the water screen and only get the profile of Mickey Mouse on the island. Plus it is very crowded in that area and my son wasn't making it. When we had to depart because my son couldn't do it we found ourselves with a bad exit strategy. There were crowds behind us around us and to get out with a melting down child was extremely difficult.
So if we want to do Fantasmic we have to pay for it. We do the desert option. It is really good for him. Lots of room he can snack on the food while waiting for the show to start. It is pretty much front and center. If we needed to exit for any reason (we never had with this area) it exits straight out into the street walking aisle whatever you want to call it area for us to walk to where ever we are going.
So we actually have to pay extra if we want to do some things in Disneyland with my son.


Now a question:
What is the difference between Fastpass and Fastpass + I have never seen a Fastpass+ at Disneyland.


While discussing this issue on the autism boards people have been finding a way to "double down" as they are calling it on the boards. Here is how it works (I am NOT saying to do this I am just pointing out that this system is also subject to abuse) Say my son has the DAS and if my husband gets to come with us We have a party of 3 on his DAS. Then I get a wheelchair and since I don't have to show proof I too will be getting a return time ticket for each ride. So we can get two attractions at the same time, one on my son's DAS and one on mine. See what I mean?

Even though it isn't "front of the line" people will still abuse it because they still don't want to wait in lines and they still don't have to as the abusers are capable of waiting in lines they go on smaller rides or see shows or eat while waiting for their return time. Other people without the card can't do this. It's still abuse.
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I do agree that they may not always be the best for autistic or those that need room to move. But, I feel that this is good information to know for those of us with difficulty standing for the length of waiting and the show on top of that. However, there is almost always an escape route, but in many cases, you will not be able to get back in once leaving the area. I wouldn't use one of these places if there wasn't, due to my needs. And yes, once the parade or show starts, you are often stuck, but in many cases that is true no matter where you are.

I mean no disrespect here in any way, but I do have some corrections and comments to the information that KPeveler has provided, based on actual experiences this last Saturday:

WOC currently has about five ADA viewing areas throughout the viewing area, in addition to the two in the back. NOTE: Some of these areas may already be filled, depending on the needs of the guests there. With the exception of the ones in the back, they can make these less crowded upon request, if you have the need. There will still be other people there, just fewer people.

Fantasmic!: The ADA viewing area does have benches and those with GACs have been able to use them since about 2011 and I have never heard of anyone with an applicable stamp being turned away since then, unless the viewing area there was already full. NOTE: For those with wheelchairs and ECVs, you can be in the back of most sitting areas and will generally get a better view of the show by doing this.

Aladdin: Currently a GAC, Wheelchair or ECV is required to bypass the stairs (yes, they were making those with canes and walkers use the stairs, which I found ridiculous.)

Parades: At DCA, I know of no specific viewing areas for accessibility, at Disneyland, there is one with benches and yes, wheelchairs may be in front of some of the benches, but due to the incline that they are placed on, you should still be able to see while sitting on the benches and that area does have an escape path, but you may not be able to get back in once you leave.

Unfortunately, the fireworks have no accessible viewing area, which is desperately needed due to how they configure the viewing area now with standing in front of the hub. When they had sitting in front of the hub it wasn't that big of a deal, as wheelchairs could be at the back and see over everyone, now all they get to see is the rear end of the person in front of them.

One other comment is if you don't feel that an ADA spot will meet your needs, talk with a CM and explain your needs. They are usually happy to help and I have not seen them refuse a reasonable request.
With the Fantasmic thing that's what I mentioned in the post earlier. We were always able to be in the handicapped section.

With the fireworks they actually do have seating but it is never really available. The central hub and around it and right in front of it have benches. These are first reserved for Make a Wish kids and the VIP tours. Afterwards it is a first come first serve basis for those with a GAC card BUT you have to go to City Hall to ask that your name be put on the list. They will then tell you if there is room or not they sometimes have room at the train station sectioned off seating. But honestly unless you are there first thing in the morning to put your name on the list forget it.
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While discussing this issue on the autism boards people have been finding a way to "double down" as they are calling it on the boards. Here is how it works (I am NOT saying to do this I am just pointing out that this system is also subject to abuse) Say my son has the DAS and if my husband gets to come with us We have a party of 3 on his DAS. Then I get a wheelchair and since I don't have to show proof I too will be getting a return time ticket for each ride. So we can get two attractions at the same time, one on my son's DAS and one on mine. See what I mean?

Even though it isn't "front of the line" people will still abuse it because they still don't want to wait in lines and they still don't have to as the abusers are capable of waiting in lines they go on smaller rides or see shows or eat while waiting for their return time. Other people without the card can't do this. It's still abuse.
Disney isn't solving anything.
I find it disgusting that people on an autism board would be discussing ways to abuse the system - all the while yelling about how they (and their children) are being punished because Disney wanted to stop abusers.
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I do not trust the app with the waiting times what I was referring to is what if I get a return time of 90 minutes and then walk by that same attraction only to find out the waiting time is less than what they just gave me.

A lot of what you listed either does have a waiting time (Like the train when you said it doesn't) or things my son just won't do nor sit still in (like the Lincoln theater thing we tried that once didn't work) nor does he want to stand on the street listening to the Dapper Dans, I thought for sure once he would do the Jedi Academy as he LOVES Star Wars but once it started he darted.

I realize what Disney is and isn't going to do, and the reason I am freaking out before we have done this is because I know my son and I know what does and doesn't work for him and this doesn't work for him.

I have an annual pass and if we can no longer visit Disney because of the changes they choose to make I expect a partial refund. There are thousands of other things they could have done. They chose this one. I am NOT the only person upset with this and am not the only person saying this isn't going to work for my child.
Earlier in this thread I suggested downloading more than one app, so you can compare - with DL, the wait times app I like is "MouseWait." I plan on looking at more than one app to see if there is a major difference in the wait times - if there is, I will ask them to double check or pick a different ride to ask for.

If you walk past within minutes, then I would stop and speak to the CMs at the attraction or at the nearest kiosk.

I did in fact list things that sometimes have waits, but generally never longer than 10-15 minutes, which is about how long you would wait in a FastPass line anyway. For most things, like Tiki Room, Mark Twain/Colombia, and Train, if you need to wait for the next show/boat/train, speak to the CMs working it. Especially if you have a DAS in hand with your son's picture, and say he is autistic and has ADHD, can we please wait off to the side (for the train, that may be where wheelchair parties wait, for the boats, there is a place off to the side they save for wheelchair groups, and I am sure the CM who works Tiki Room will work with you (like have you wait by the exit, go in there (which is what wheelchairs do anyway) so you can leave if you need to.

If he will not sit for a show, and he will not stand for a show, how have you handled waiting in the long GAC lines thus far? I am not being sarcastic - it may be that your present system can be adapted. Because I have a GAC, and I know how long it takes to get on Pirates or HM or Peter Pan, even Jungle Cruise.

Will he use a stroller, special needs stroller, or wheelchair, to help give him a private space?

What I can guarantee you is that Disney is not going to refund any part of your annual passes. I have family who works in Ticket Sales, and she explained the contracts to us, which my wife and I read entirely before signing. Even if we are in the hospital and can never go to Disney for an entire year, we have to pay. I actually think our estate must pay even if we are dead. So I can tell you that there will not be a refund issued.
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I do agree that they may not always be the best for autistic or those that need room to move. But, I feel that this is good information to know for those of us with difficulty standing for the length of waiting and the show on top of that. However, there is almost always an escape route, but in many cases, you will not be able to get back in once leaving the area. I wouldn't use one of these places if there wasn't, due to my needs. And yes, once the parade or show starts, you are often stuck, but in many cases that is true no matter where you are.

I mean no disrespect here in any way, but I do have some corrections and comments to the information that KPeveler has provided, based on actual experiences this last Saturday:

WOC currently has about five ADA viewing areas throughout the viewing area, in addition to the two in the back. NOTE: Some of these areas may already be filled, depending on the needs of the guests there. With the exception of the ones in the back, they can make these less crowded upon request, if you have the need. There will still be other people there, just fewer people.

Fantasmic!: The ADA viewing area does have benches and those with GACs have been able to use them since about 2011 and I have never heard of anyone with an applicable stamp being turned away since then, unless the viewing area there was already full. NOTE: For those with wheelchairs and ECVs, you can be in the back of most sitting areas and will generally get a better view of the show by doing this.

Aladdin: Currently a GAC, Wheelchair or ECV is required to bypass the stairs (yes, they were making those with canes and walkers use the stairs, which I found ridiculous.)

Parades: At DCA, I know of no specific viewing areas for accessibility, at Disneyland, there is one with benches and yes, wheelchairs may be in front of some of the benches, but due to the incline that they are placed on, you should still be able to see while sitting on the benches and that area does have an escape path, but you may not be able to get back in once you leave.

Unfortunately, the fireworks have no accessible viewing area, which is desperately needed due to how they configure the viewing area now with standing in front of the hub. When they had sitting in front of the hub it wasn't that big of a deal, as wheelchairs could be at the back and see over everyone, now all they get to see is the rear end of the person in front of them.

One other comment is if you don't feel that an ADA spot will meet your needs, talk with a CM and explain your needs. They are usually happy to help and I have not seen them refuse a reasonable request.
One correction to this post: As of Saturday night, as well as two nights the previous week that I went to see Fantasmic, CMs were stating exactly what I said - that if you did not have a physical wheelchair, you needed to view the show elsewhere. The last time I was told this was this past Saturday. I saw two different parties with GACs with a wheelchair stamp being turned away. One of the three times I have listened to this speech in the last two weeks, a manager (shirt and tie, not just with a radio) was the one saying it. I saw no benches in the wheelchair viewing area, and if they are there, they are all the way to the left of the section, close to the exit.

This speech was said before the area was even opened to guests for the second show. I heard it being said to guests after the area had been opened for the first show, but when it was NOT full.

So perhaps you went to WOC on Saturday, but I was basing what I wrote on my actual experiences this Saturday.

I did say that there were benches at the very back, at least, of the WOC show.

I mostly wanted to point out that most DAS cards will NOT be given for mobility concerns. Most DAS cards will be given for other conditions, and I mostly did not want people thinking this would mean the area is open or less crowded for people with autism and social phobias. And for guests who have the DAS who may also be looking for a place to sit down, not all parade areas in DL have benches (I know the one in the hub does), and they too are very very crowded.
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I realize it hasn't been implanted yet.
Now a question:
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While discussing this issue on the autism boards people have been finding a way to "double down" as they are calling it on the boards. Here is how it works (I am NOT saying to do this I am just pointing out that this system is also subject to abuse) Say my son has the DAS and if my husband gets to come with us We have a party of 3 on his DAS. Then I get a wheelchair and since I don't have to show proof I too will be getting a return time ticket for each ride. So we can get two attractions at the same time, one on my son's DAS and one on mine. See what I mean?

Even though it isn't "front of the line" people will still abuse it because they still don't want to wait in lines and they still don't have to as the abusers are capable of waiting in lines they go on smaller rides or see shows or eat while waiting for their return time. Other people without the card can't do this. It's still abuse.
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First question: There is no FastPass+ at Disneyland, only Disney World. Disneyland is years out from having FP+, which I think allows you to make a certain number of FP+ reservations ahead of time.

Second question: If you require a wheelchair, and have someone to push you (which is the part about your husband going, if I read it correctly), then you are certainly welcome to use the wheelchair. But having a wheelchair, whether your own or a rental, does NOT mean that you qualify for a DAS. You would need to have concerns beyond those met by the wheelchair. So, no, you cannot "double down" by renting a wheelchair. You will NOT get a return time for the wheelchair. In Disneyland, you will be directed to the wheelchair accessible queue, which is generally a line in or outside of the exit. In DCA, that is the mainstream queue.

In WDW, there are 10 queues which are not wheelchair accessible, and so guests with wheelchairs will be given return times equal to the stand-by time - thereby avoiding anyone not waiting their turn - which I guess can be held in addition to DAS Return Times.

These cards will not be used in DL, at least as of Saturday when I spoke to the manager in Guest Relations on Saturday. There are simply too many rides for that to be effective.

So you can rent a wheelchair, and you can use the stand-by wheelchair queue, but you will not be issued a return card, and DAS Return Time holders will get priority over the stand-by wheelchair line (to a point - they will also work guests together to keep times as even as possible, but it had always been a possibility that if there are too many guests with wheelchairs showing up to a ride at one time, then the wheelchair queue could be longer than the standby time... that is one thing the new system is going to help fix.

But, speaking of DL, there is no FP+ and there is no Return Cards to be given out for wheelchair users.
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First question: There is no FastPass+ at Disneyland, only Disney World. Disneyland is years out from having FP+, which I think allows you to make a certain number of FP+ reservations ahead of time.

Second question: If you require a wheelchair, and have someone to push you (which is the part about your husband going, if I read it correctly), then you are certainly welcome to use the wheelchair. But having a wheelchair, whether your own or a rental, does NOT mean that you qualify for a DAS. You would need to have concerns beyond those met by the wheelchair. So, no, you cannot "double down" by renting a wheelchair. You will NOT get a return time for the wheelchair. In Disneyland, you will be directed to the wheelchair accessible queue, which is generally a line in or outside of the exit. In DCA, that is the mainstream queue.

In WDW, there are 10 queues which are not wheelchair accessible, and so guests with wheelchairs will be given return times equal to the stand-by time - thereby avoiding anyone not waiting their turn - which I guess can be held in addition to DAS Return Times.

These cards will not be used in DL, at least as of Saturday when I spoke to the manager in Guest Relations on Saturday. There are simply too many rides for that to be effective.

So you can rent a wheelchair, and you can use the stand-by wheelchair queue, but you will not be issued a return card, and DAS Return Time holders will get priority over the stand-by wheelchair line (to a point - they will also work guests together to keep times as even as possible, but it had always been a possibility that if there are too many guests with wheelchairs showing up to a ride at one time, then the wheelchair queue could be longer than the standby time... that is one thing the new system is going to help fix.

But, speaking of DL, there is no FP+ and there is no Return Cards to be given out for wheelchair users.
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You get to make three per day at one park per day they give you options and you pick the time that works best for you. If they don't pick the closet one and then you allowed to try and change the time and it give you more times to choose from if their available.
Thank you David - I am a DL person mostly, though I am going to WDW in January we hope, so I did not want to give specifics in case I was incorrect.
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Thank you David - I am a DL person mostly, though I am going to WDW in January we hope, so I did not want to give specifics in case I was incorrect.
No problem I going to dl in feb for my birthday plus you picked a great time less busy and cooler.

They could change after roll out I know some people have gotten an extra choice during testing. So I am not sure if they seeing if four works or keep it at three. I do hope they allow park hopping with them because for example at Dhs I do you story mania but would like to use the other two at Epcot or mk but can't for now.


I like how they have them for parades and soon fire works which might be better option then das for some guest.
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Old 10-07-2013, 08:23 PM   #87
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You get to make three per day at one park per day they give you options and you pick the time that works best for you. If they don't pick the closet one and then you allowed to try and change the time and it give you more times to choose from if their available.
Just to clarify - this is Fastpass +

It is currently being tested at WDW. At this time, people doing testing can pre-choose 3 attractions per day at one park per day.
There is opportunity to change the pre-chosen options on the day at the park, either by using a smart phone with the My Disney Experience app or at designated spots in the park.

During the testing, it is just 3 attractions, but it could possibly be more when it rolls out.
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Just to clarify - this is Fastpass +

It is currently being tested at WDW. At this time, people doing testing can pre-choose 3 attractions per day at one park per day.
There is opportunity to change the pre-chosen options on the day at the park, either by using a smart phone with the My Disney Experience app or at designated spots in the park.

During the testing, it is just 3 attractions, but it could possibly be more when it rolls out.
Thanks I was respond to kpeveler and should of add fast pass + in the response. They have put kiosks the through out the park to make the changes.
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One correction to this post: As of Saturday night, as well as two nights the previous week that I went to see Fantasmic, CMs were stating exactly what I said - that if you did not have a physical wheelchair, you needed to view the show elsewhere. The last time I was told this was this past Saturday. I saw two different parties with GACs with a wheelchair stamp being turned away. One of the three times I have listened to this speech in the last two weeks, a manager (shirt and tie, not just with a radio) was the one saying it. I saw no benches in the wheelchair viewing area, and if they are there, they are all the way to the left of the section, close to the exit.

This speech was said before the area was even opened to guests for the second show. I heard it being said to guests after the area had been opened for the first show, but when it was NOT full.

So perhaps you went to WOC on Saturday, but I was basing what I wrote on my actual experiences this Saturday.

I did say that there were benches at the very back, at least, of the WOC show.

I mostly wanted to point out that most DAS cards will NOT be given for mobility concerns. Most DAS cards will be given for other conditions, and I mostly did not want people thinking this would mean the area is open or less crowded for people with autism and social phobias. And for guests who have the DAS who may also be looking for a place to sit down, not all parade areas in DL have benches (I know the one in the hub does), and they too are very very crowded.
Strange, that has never been my experience for me or anyone near me. I do wonder if it's because I know most of the managers there and they know I wouldn't accept that and it wouldn't matter if it's my party or not, I would stick up for them. as I said though, I don't think it provides the best viewing of the show. There are benches to the left of that section, at least normally, but as you say it is to the very left of that section.

As for the parade, I guess I have always been lucky in main Street, we almost always have a bench to our selves with maybe two or three others on the benches and about 5 wheelchairs. normally they ask that anyone that can stand do so next to the section or behind the benches when possible.
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I find it disgusting that people on an autism board would be discussing ways to abuse the system - all the while yelling about how they (and their children) are being punished because Disney wanted to stop abusers.
I realize this may have gotten taken out of context but on the boards people were pointing out that Disney has solved nothing because there are still several ways to abuse the system, this led to an argument by a couple of people how and name one and after an argument the person named only one way but said there were several other way (but didn't go into details) they were not encouraging doing this in any sort of way and this was only said for this one guy to prove his point during an argument. That's all.
I think the proof thing is bull I think the very disabled people that created that law shot themselves in the foot because look at what it is causing. If you have to show proof of disability for something as serious as SSI or other things then why not show it for Disneylnad.
Disneyland boasts about being the biggest resort in the world and the CM's have said that if they were requiring proof they would have to hire a doctor to make judgements about the GAC cards, ya know what? Then hire one. If you are the biggest resort you have the money do it.

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First question: There is no FastPass+ at Disneyland, only Disney World. Disneyland is years out from having FP+, which I think allows you to make a certain number of FP+ reservations ahead of time.

Second question: If you require a wheelchair, and have someone to push you (which is the part about your husband going, if I read it correctly), then you are certainly welcome to use the wheelchair. But having a wheelchair, whether your own or a rental, does NOT mean that you qualify for a DAS. You would need to have concerns beyond those met by the wheelchair. So, no, you cannot "double down" by renting a wheelchair. You will NOT get a return time for the wheelchair. In Disneyland, you will be directed to the wheelchair accessible queue, which is generally a line in or outside of the exit. In DCA, that is the mainstream queue.

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Thank you for answering about the Fastpass+ system I was sure I had never heard of that at Disneyland before.

I honestly don't care about the wheelchair thing because I'm not going to use it I'm not going to abuse the system, but even say no wheel chair say instead of the wheelchair a second person in the party could get their own DAS by saying whatever they wanted (since no proof was required) then two people in the same party have a DAS and can get two return time tickets for two different rides at the same time, see my point? That's all I was getting at. This all stemmed from an argument on the autism board. I do not encourage breaking the rules nor abusing the system.
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