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Old 10-30-2013, 07:08 AM   #1096
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That kind of abuse of the system is sickening. I wish there was some kind of safeguard against that kind of abuse.

It is true that FP are gone earlier and standby lines are longer. We stayed offsite for the 2nd time since DAS started. The most attractions we were able to hit in a day was 2, since standby isn't an option.

On Friday, DS needed his DAS renewed, but the queue to get into GS at Epcot was too long and in the sun at 4pm, so we ate at Sunshine Seasons and walked around. By 7pm the queue was not in the sun and was still lined up out the door. Got his DAS renewed. He was beat, so headed home.

Saturday was our Sea World day. Got one attraction in there, the new penguin one (110 minute wait for the non-rider) and trick or treating. Then headed back to the motel.

Sunday was our MNSSHP. Went on Buzz and the speedway before the party started. Then focused on the party.

Monday was back to Epcot. No rides at all. Did 2 countries of Agent P and a few Kidcot stops. Spent a nice amount of time up in the Chase Lounge.

With GAC the most attractions we were able to do in a day averaged 4 rides. So DAS has halfed that. And for him there's no coasters, no simulators, no TSM, no tea cups, etc.

If we did not have annual passes and did not live so close to the parks, it would be a waste of money for us to go. Being nearby and having the annual pass allows us the opportunity to go frequently and enjoy what we can do. We are stopping and smelling the roses. Doing and seeing things that are not rides.
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Ok, I guess I'm not understanding. Last week we had FP and FP+ along with our DAS and still had to return at a certain time or couldn't use it. We were 10 min late for Soaring using our FP+ and couldn't get in. I think I see what you are saying now. LOL IDK it's late and I'm sleep deprived.
Ok, what I am saying is of you do not have a FP or FP+, but have a DAS card, they will give you a Return Time equal to the wait of the standby line. You will not be able to ride until that time or later.

If you have a FP or FP+ and you return within your window, they will send you straight to the accessible entrance, you will not need to wait for the length of the standby line. But you must still return within your hour window with FP or FP+.

But, If you just get a return time on your DAS, you have until the park closes to return, although you do have to wait until the length of the standby line had passed.
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.
You only need the entire party with you if your party is larger than 6 people.

But then the question comes up what happens when more than one person in that group truly needs a DAS? Obviously that leaves potential for abuse, but chances are with that large of a group that there will be times where one of the people that needs the DAS will not be riding a certain attraction and the other will. And there is a strong chance that more than one person will need a DAS.

Even when it's just my wife and I going, we each need a DAS. At WDW this won't be too much of an issue, as there is nothing my wife will go on that I won't and we won't split up, except av handful of rides that I will go on that she won't, but she will just wait for me. So I would just get the DAS.

But we live near Disneyland and she will sometimes go when I am at work. So, b she needs her own and there are times when I go without her abs rides that I will go on that she won't, so I need my own. Now, we are ones that try to follow the rules, but there is the potential for abuse there as well, as there is nothing stopoing us from both getting return times.Even though we try to follow the rules, We have accidentally had this happen when meeting in the parks and I needed to get my DAS or renew it, as they offered to put the first return time on my DASv when I got it. In both cases, we never used my return times. But the point is that even if you are not trying to abuse the system, it is possible to accidentally get the return times on multiple cards when multiple people in the same party need them. I do not know what the answer is to solve this problem, as you can't just say multiple people in the same party can't get a DAS, as there are legitimate reasons that multiple people in the same party may need a DAS. Now obviously the simple solution is for those of us who follow the rules is if you do accidentally both get return times to self police it. But there will be those who don't follow the rules and will exploit this. Unfortunately, I have no ideas for a solution to this one.
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But then the question comes up what happens when more than one person in that group truly needs a DAS? Obviously that leaves potential for abuse, but chances are with that large of a group that there will be times where one of the people that needs the DAS will not be riding a certain attraction and the other will. And there is a strong chance that more than one person will need a DAS.

Even when it's just my wife and I going, we each need a DAS. At WDW this won't be too much of an issue, as there is nothing my wife will go on that I won't and we won't split up, except av handful of rides that I will go on that she won't, but she will just wait for me. So I would just get the DAS.

But we live near Disneyland and she will sometimes go when I am at work. So, b she needs her own and there are times when I go without her abs rides that I will go on that she won't, so I need my own. Now, we are ones that try to follow the rules, but there is the potential for abuse there as well, as there is nothing stopoing us from both getting return times.Even though we try to follow the rules, We have accidentally had this happen when meeting in the parks and I needed to get my DAS or renew it, as they offered to put the first return time on my DASv when I got it. In both cases, we never used my return times. But the point is that even if you are not trying to abuse the system, it is possible to accidentally get the return times on multiple cards when multiple people in the same party need them. I do not know what the answer is to solve this problem, as you can't just say multiple people in the same party can't get a DAS, as there are legitimate reasons that multiple people in the same party may need a DAS. Now obviously the simple solution is for those of us who follow the rules is if you do accidentally both get return times to self police it. But there will be those who don't follow the rules and will exploit this. Unfortunately, I have no ideas for a solution to this one.
I'm not sure that if there are multiple legitimate DAS holders in one group that it is actually breaking any rules by having a different ride with return time on each pass. The pass is specific to the holder, not the group. It's not with the spirit of the change to DAS, but I can't see anything in it that breaks a rule. There's always the possibility that a group may decide later to split up or someone changed their mind before the DAS times come up. It is, as far as I can tell, the main reason someone might choose to lie to obtain a DAS since most of the rest of the perceived GAC "benefits" are gone. I think it would be easier to abuse at WDW than at DL because of the kiosk system at DL. It'll be more awkward and more likely to get questioned when two group members are asking for return times for 2 different rides at the same time at a kiosk.

I also tend to think that the guy who says he's going lie to get 6 DAS, one for each family member, will have a harder time than he thinks. We've already heard reports here about people having issues getting them due to either misunderstandings of needs or misunderstandings of what qualifies. I'm hard pressed to figure out how one could lie to get 6 DAS issued for one group at one time without raising red flags for the CMs.

I do also wonder if this is something they will be able to monitor more eventually with the RFID implementation. It still becomes tricky because groups can decide to split up after they get the return time and it wouldn't be fair to the second holder to have to wait through the time for a ride they aren't riding, but I'd think it would at least be easier to link DAS if it starts being something handled more by RFID than actual people.

It also sounds like the abuse it something that WDW could do if they figured out how to modify FP+ to have it work for folks staying offsite as well as onsite. I understand that they want to encourage folks to pay Disney the money to stay onsite, but they could potentially lose some visitors since there isn't enough on-property housing to fill the parks. Something in my memory says that FP was originally only available to folks staying onsite so hopefully FP+ will follow with offsite eventually like FP did. Obviously it's harder to manage with FP+, but I'm sure Disney could come up with a way to make it work.
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I'm not sure that if there are multiple legitimate DAS holders in one group that it is actually breaking any rules by having a different ride with return time on each pass. The pass is specific to the holder, not the group. It's not with the spirit of the change to DAS, but I can't see anything in it that breaks a rule. There's always the possibility that a group may decide later to split up or someone changed their mind before the DAS times come up. It is, as far as I can tell, the main reason someone might choose to lie to obtain a DAS since most of the rest of the perceived GAC "benefits" are gone. I think it would be easier to abuse at WDW than at DL because of the kiosk system at DL. It'll be more awkward and more likely to get questioned when two group members are asking for return times for 2 different rides at the same time at a kiosk.

I also tend to think that the guy who says he's going lie to get 6 DAS, one for each family member, will have a harder time than he thinks. We've already heard reports here about people having issues getting them due to either misunderstandings of needs or misunderstandings of what qualifies. I'm hard pressed to figure out how one could lie to get 6 DAS issued for one group at one time without raising red flags for the CMs.

I do also wonder if this is something they will be able to monitor more eventually with the RFID implementation. It still becomes tricky because groups can decide to split up after they get the return time and it wouldn't be fair to the second holder to have to wait through the time for a ride they aren't riding, but I'd think it would at least be easier to link DAS if it starts being something handled more by RFID than actual people.

It also sounds like the abuse it something that WDW could do if they figured out how to modify FP+ to have it work for folks staying offsite as well as onsite. I understand that they want to encourage folks to pay Disney the money to stay onsite, but they could potentially lose some visitors since there isn't enough on-property housing to fill the parks. Something in my memory says that FP was originally only available to folks staying onsite so hopefully FP+ will follow with offsite eventually like FP did. Obviously it's harder to manage with FP+, but I'm sure Disney could come up with a way to make it work.
Disney has said that eventually Fastpass Plus will be for all guests, not just those staying on site.
During the test phase, it is just resort guests.

A number of people have also been told that eventually DAS will be connected with their Magicbands. I would classify that as a pretty high possibility rumor
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Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought when you ask for a DAS you have to have your entire party with you. If each member of a family is asking for a DAS, and they have to have with them the people they want to be able to accompany them for attractions, I think it would be quite obvious to Guest Relations that these people are trying to cheat the system.
I have friends who require a DAS for each member of the party, partly because they split up sometimes, and partly because they have different needs. They have a genetic condition that the whole family has (dominant) so yep, whole family needs a DAS. But they are worried about going into GR to ask, so they have one right now, for one person, and if they get more, they will get them one at a time - they are afraid of people faking or exaggerating and making them look bad.

I have traveled in a group where all 3 of us had a DAS, and all for very different reasons (we were not related).
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I'm not sure that if there are multiple legitimate DAS holders in one group that it is actually breaking any rules by having a different ride with return time on each pass. The pass is specific to the holder, not the group. It's not with the spirit of the change to DAS, but I can't see anything in it that breaks a rule. There's always the possibility that a group may decide later to split up or someone changed their mind before the DAS times come up. It is, as far as I can tell, the main reason someone might choose to lie to obtain a DAS since most of the rest of the perceived GAC "benefits" are gone. I think it would be easier to abuse at WDW than at DL because of the kiosk system at DL. It'll be more awkward and more likely to get questioned when two group members are asking for return times for 2 different rides at the same time at a kiosk.
Actually they do not think twice about handing out 3 different rides to our group of 3, at least when I did it, but we were also traveling with wheelchairs, so honestly, we ended up waiting the amount of time for all three by the end, with the commuting between rides and waiting in the WC line.
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Has anyone thus far handed Guest Services a note stating your child's needs instead of saying them out loud? My daughter (aspergers) would be very embarrassed if I talked about her anxiety and that she would have issues if she was sandwiched between a bunch of people for an hour wait.
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Has anyone thus far handed Guest Services a note stating your child's needs instead of saying them out loud? My daughter (aspergers) would be very embarrassed if I talked about her anxiety and that she would have issues if she was sandwiched between a bunch of people for an hour wait.
I plan to do this for my son so I'm curious to hear how cm's respond as well.
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The GAC has allowed us to be seated in the handicapped section of shows and the Philharmagic. Any idea how the new DAS would work for that?
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My wife and I have the same question. My guess is that we'll find out when the program is officially announced. With all the focus on the controversial aspects of the new program information about the needs of other disabilities hasn't been leaked yet.

Logic says that disability-appropriate seating will remain. With all Disneys efforts to be fair to all, not accommodating the visually impaired would be counter to that.
I encountered this issue earlier this month at FOTLK , I travelled with a group of 8 Developmentally disabled who also had other disabilities 3 of whom needed floor seating . We had a FP+ for the show and as instructed went thru this line . We explained the need for floor seating and were told by 2 cms we should have gone thru the wheelchair entrance . We did not get floor seating and 3 tripped . I did tell a cm and I did call Disney the lady I contacted thru Special Needs di not confirm the going thru the wheelchair line but she did say ALWAYS politely ask for a Supervisor if you are not seated where your special needs require you sit. One more thing there was plenty of floor seating available .
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I have friends who require a DAS for each member of the party, partly because they split up sometimes, and partly because they have different needs. They have a genetic condition that the whole family has (dominant) so yep, whole family needs a DAS. But they are worried about going into GR to ask, so they have one right now, for one person, and if they get more, they will get them one at a time - they are afraid of people faking or exaggerating and making them look bad.

I have traveled in a group where all 3 of us had a DAS, and all for very different reasons (we were not related).
Another lesson learnt! Myself and my co escort explained we were wirh 8 Dvelopmentally disabled (yes they were all with us) Being it was a new program I think we may have been the first such group for these particular CM's and thinking they were doing what wa best put our pix on the cards . Do not do this always make sure a thill riding DD is on at least one of them !! We were okay as the cm's let it pass but 1 of us had to stay with the non thrill riders .
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Another lesson learnt! Myself and my co escort explained we were wirh 8 Dvelopmentally disabled (yes they were all with us) Being it was a new program I think we may have been the first such group for these particular CM's and thinking they were doing what wa best put our pix on the cards . Do not do this always make sure a thill riding DD is on at least one of them !! We were okay as the cm's let it pass but 1 of us had to stay with the non thrill riders .
I'm not sure I understand.
Is your daughter also disabled or was she one of the people supervising?
So, they did not put the disabled person's picture on 2 of the cards, but put yours instead? Did they only give you 2 cards for your whole group and put the attendants pictures on since one of you will always be with them.

Am I understanding correctly?
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I encountered this issue earlier this month at FOTLK , I travelled with a group of 8 Developmentally disabled who also had other disabilities 3 of whom needed floor seating . We had a FP+ for the show and as instructed went thru this line . We explained the need for floor seating and were told by 2 cms we should have gone thru the wheelchair entrance . We did not get floor seating and 3 tripped . I did tell a cm and I did call Disney the lady I contacted thru Special Needs di not confirm the going thru the wheelchair line but she did say ALWAYS politely ask for a Supervisor if you are not seated where your special needs require you sit. One more thing there was plenty of floor seating available .
Did you tell the CM at the queue entrance that people in your group need floor seating due to disabilities? It's best to inform the CM at the queue entrance of any seating needs. What reason were you given once inside that you couldn't sit in those floor level seats? Just because you hadn't gone through the wheelchair line?
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I'm not sure I understand.
Is your daughter also disabled or was she one of the people supervising?
So, they did not put the disabled person's picture on 2 of the cards, but put yours instead? Did they only give you 2 cards for your whole group and put the attendants pictures on since one of you will always be with them.

Am I understanding correctly?
DD is usually 'dear daughter' but in this context I think she means 'developmentally disabled'.
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It says that the time you will be given is the current wait time - 10-15minutes. What happens if the wait time is 15 minutes? Do they want you then to only use the normal line?
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