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Old 10-28-2013, 01:24 PM   #1051
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Are you kidding me with this? Not everyone who is in a wheelchair can just up and use an ecv instead. Good grief. And even if they could, that's still battery power they might not have if they have to backtrack.

How can you say there is no backtracking? People get a DAS because they cannot wait in lines, cannot handle heat, etc.. That means they are going to have to go SOMEWHERE other than the ride entrance or kiosk in order to wait. Sometimes there is a place very nearby, but not always. BTMRR? Nothing else is at the top of that big hill.
Exactly. This trip we did more backtracking then I care to think about. LOL Since it was so crowded its pretty difficult to move with a pack of people to get to perhaps other end of park to get a FP while waiting for the DAS time to come up. Even more frustrating to go over one end to get a FP only to find all FPs are gone. By end of this trip I could have used an ECV. LOL
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:27 PM   #1052
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Then perhaps an ECV would be more useful? Also, there's no need to leave the area if one is waiting for a return time. So no need to backtrack at all.
We would get return times of 90 min or more using the DAS. There really wasn't anyplace in immediate areas to wait it out. I can't imagine standing in a store for 90 min waiting for one ride. Anyway, not here to argue the pros or cons of the new DAS. It's not for us so won't be going back anytime soon. Good luck and happy trips to everyone.
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:40 PM   #1053
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Yes you can get a DAS at the GS that are outside of the turnstiles. We did this at MK
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:47 PM   #1054
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And even if they could, that's still battery power they might not have if they have to backtrack.

I'm not sure what kind of ECV you are referring to but I've used off-site rental ECV's at WDW for years and years and have never even come close to running out of battery power, And that includes lots of hopping, acting as the FP runner and general wild behavior. Unless you are using an ECV like my home model (very, very light weight and very old, more than 15 yrs) with only 1 battery, I'd wouldn't worry about battery power.
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Old 10-28-2013, 01:55 PM   #1055
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And even if they could, that's still battery power they might not have if they have to backtrack.

I'm not sure what kind of ECV you are referring to but I've used off-site rental ECV's at WDW for years and years and have never even come close to running out of battery power, And that includes lots of hopping, acting as the FP runner and general wild behavior. Unless you are using an ECV like my home model (very, very light weight and very old, more than 15 yrs) with only 1 battery, I'd wouldn't worry about battery power.
Perhaps you have never had a problem but I have in the past had to find a place to park and charge my power wheelchair. It can be really frustrating. I would be concerned about battery power.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:36 PM   #1056
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And even if they could, that's still battery power they might not have if they have to backtrack.

I'm not sure what kind of ECV you are referring to but I've used off-site rental ECV's at WDW for years and years and have never even come close to running out of battery power, And that includes lots of hopping, acting as the FP runner and general wild behavior. Unless you are using an ECV like my home model (very, very light weight and very old, more than 15 yrs) with only 1 battery, I'd wouldn't worry about battery power.
I am also not sure what kind of ECV you are using, but every ECV and power chair that we have used from offsite rental companies to personal chairs barely had the power to make it back to the room at the end of the night.
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Old 10-28-2013, 03:57 PM   #1057
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I noticed that there was an update to Post#1. Maybe it's my vision issues but I can't tell what's been changed. Can someone fill me in?
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Old 10-28-2013, 04:19 PM   #1058
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If you explain at Guest Services, they may be able to offer extra accommodations for the days you are solo. ReAds might be appropriate but they'd have to decide that.

Yes, I take DS (adult in a manual chair) by myself. I have no runner, and I cannot leave him sitting somewhere comfortable and cool, while I run for a new ride assignment. (mental disability). My next trip is DL, which may be easier with the kiosks.

My son will also get upset when we approach a ride, and are unable to ride, but I think I will be able to distract him. He won't cry though, just yell, point, and lean out of his chair. He understands "not yet". And says it over and over, one of his few words/phrases! (right now he says "Halloween", and understands when we answer "not yet")
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Old 10-28-2013, 05:48 PM   #1059
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Perhaps you have never had a problem but I have in the past had to find a place to park and charge my power wheelchair. It can be really frustrating. I would be concerned about battery power.
There are more charging stations now. Rapunzel's bathrooms, someplace near Dumbo? and others. I thought there was a thread here on the DIS listing charging places.

Perhaps it would also be a good thing to get a new battery before a trip if one was bringing the ECV from home.

Also - because I forgot to multiquote - someone mentioned that there is no place to get cool by BTMRR. We've found shady benches down by Tom Sawyer's dock, and the Splash Mountain gift shop is near there too.

Another planning tip would be to plan a FP or FP+ for Splash that would mesh with a BTMRR DAS access time.
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There are more charging stations now. Rapunzel's bathrooms, someplace near Dumbo? and others. I thought there was a thread here on the DIS listing charging places.

Perhaps it would also be a good thing to get a new battery before a trip if one was bringing the ECV from home.

Also - because I forgot to multiquote - someone mentioned that there is no place to get cool by BTMRR. We've found shady benches down by Tom Sawyer's dock, and the Splash Mountain gift shop is near there too.

Another planning tip would be to plan a FP or FP+ for Splash that would mesh with a BTMRR DAS access time.
This issue with charging stations is that they still take away from Park time. So, really this is something that is more of a major issue than it might appear at first glance.

And this doesn't count the people who can do the parks, but can't handle the additional traveling, either via a manual chair or walking.

It is just one of last few the things that definitely needs to be corrected with the new system.
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Old 10-28-2013, 06:35 PM   #1061
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This issue with charging stations is that they still take away from Park time. So, really this is something that is more of a major issue than it might appear at first glance.

And this doesn't count the people who can do the parks, but can't handle the additional traveling, either via a manual chair or walking.

It is just one of last few the things that definitely needs to be corrected with the new system.
Walking - addressed by using a mobility device. That has been Disney's official standard response for years.

Not having a full, well charged battery - personal responsibility, not Disney's responsibility at all. If it is a rental from Disney, they will replace it.

Manual Chair - personal responsibility. Disney's official standard response for stamina and endurance issues is to get an ECV or wheelchair. Which one someone gets is their personal choice.

I do believe that Disney will add the DAS to the Magic Band, MDE app, etc. at some time. I have no problem with more kiosks either, with DAS access as well. But there would still be travel time and distance.
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This issue with charging stations is that they still take away from Park time. So, really this is something that is more of a major issue than it might appear at first glance.
Knowing that I have no clue how you charge an ECV, is this something where they might be able to have outlets located where you park an ECV while on a ride for those who transfer? Is it worth people making that suggestion or is charging more complicated than that? It seems there could even be places where you could almost have a parked line of people each with an outlet there so while waiting 20 minutes for TSM or SE you could be sitting there plugged in.
Maybe in the future back-up batteries will become a more common thing like with cell phones now.
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Old 10-28-2013, 07:42 PM   #1063
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I think it will help loads of people if WDW starts adding kiosks for DAS (and possibly wheelchair return times, although I understand why those are more difficult). If they also make it possible to get times at the attraction, it seems like a combination of doing both would be beneficial for the most amount of people. No system will work for everyone, but it seems like the combination would be the best way to cover as many as possible.

One thing I'd like to note about charging a power wheelchair or ECV is that it reduces battery volume and life to recharge partially or to "top up" while out and about. That's one of the reasons you're supposed to charge them overnight for approximately 8-12 hours every night, regardless of battery level (the charger will shut off when the battery is full; the most accurate way to check if it's fully recharged is the light on the charger). My guess with rented ECVs that the fact that renters commonly do "top up" is part of the reason there may be issues with batteries lasting all day. Even renters who know how to treat the batteries well and do may be dealing with batteries that aren't in as good shape due to previous renters. I know both times I've rented a powerchair near WDW, I've had issues with the batteries holding charge (same for other people I know who've used a different company for renting a powerchair, so it's not just the company I used). Most non-renters know not to top-up and many, especially when it comes to powerchairs, probably didn't have much choice on the range of the wheelchair they have (insurance rules on coverage or what they could afford). It shouldn't be common for personally-owned power chairs to completely deplete their battery during a day at WDW, but I can see how it could happen. Most good powerchairs should get about 10 "real world" miles in a single charge which is a long day in WDW, but definitely not impossible. Turning the ECV or powerchair off while stationary is a good idea and will help (powerchairs, at least, generally have regenerative breaking), but it's not going to substantially increase battery range. And back-up batteries aren't currently feasible as something to haul around with you because of the weight of powerchair and ECV batteries.
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Old 10-28-2013, 09:46 PM   #1064
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Funny you should mention charging ecvs in the park. I saw more ECVs being charged in the parks this trip then any other week we have been there. It was like the charging stations at the airports for cells phones. Every outlet seemed to have an ECV on the other end. Now I'm wondering if it is all the runnig back and forth. We have never had to charge my moms during our days in the parks as we never went far. This was first trip we actually saw the charge meter go to yellow. Usually doesn't go out of green.
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Old 10-29-2013, 05:19 AM   #1065
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Have you also tried bringing something for him to do in line? He might do better with a little portable game or activity during busier times of day, which may allow you to go into slightly longer rides than without the game. It could also save you if there is a backup in the FP line or on transportation.
I have the same problem with me son but a portable devices doesn't work. It makes him more hyper
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