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Old 10-23-2013, 08:47 AM   #871
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From what I've heard, Disney hasn't released any official information about what will happen.
I wouldn't expect anything till after the new year before they remove the machines. They're still giving room keys out and will in the future because the use of a magic band is optional.
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Old 10-23-2013, 08:52 AM   #872
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I wouldn't expect anything till after the new year before they remove the machines. They're still giving room keys out and will in the future because the use of a magic band is optional.
Apparently, October 27, something new is starting. Just haven't heard anything definitive.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:11 AM   #873
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By the time we made our way back to TSM it was about 10:30. The wait was 110 minutes. Our return time was 1205.
Sounds like you had a rough day. Thanks so much for sharing your experience. You are not alone though, I'm sure I'll be in tears too at some point in our trip too. I do think DAS would be VERY difficult without FP+ as an option and am very thankful that I will be able to use it in conjunction with the DAS. I think I've read that CM's are actually telling people that is how they are to be used so I can see your frustration. I am so not a good planner so I hope I can figure all this out. I guess we will try to get to DHS pretty early as we only have one day planned there.
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Sounds like you had a rough day. Thanks so much for sharing your experience. You are not alone though, I'm sure I'll be in tears too at some point in our trip too. I do think DAS would be VERY difficult without FP+ as an option and am very thankful that I will be able to use it in conjunction with the DAS. I think I've read that CM's are actually telling people that is how they are to be used so I can see your frustration. I am so not a good planner so I hope I can figure all this out. I guess we will try to get to DHS pretty early as we only have one day planned there.
Not being FP + eligible was especially frustrating when paper FP were running out for TSM by 930AM and I am reading on the DIS about people booking same day FP+ at 2 in the afternoon for later that same day.

Paper FP for Rockin Roller coaster were out before noon the day we were there as well.
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Not being FP + eligible was especially frustrating when paper FP were running out for TSM by 930AM and I am reading on the DIS about people booking same day FP+ at 2 in the afternoon for later that same day.

Paper FP for Rockin Roller coaster were out before noon the day we were there as well.
But fp was always ran out early in the morning for toy story to have to figure they give less out due to fast pass plus. But it always runs out early it a tough ride to get fast pass for unless go one of the first people their.
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this thread makes me worry about our trip

I have MS. I don't go around talking about it. Here is different because I'm not looking someone in the eye it is anonymous basically. Last trip by the end I was so exhausted and had so much leg pain. I walk I don't use a wheelchair. I am strong and suck up the pain. I also know this year I have gotten progressively worse. My day ends by 11 am because I am so tired and I 'm just dealing with the constant pain somewhere in my body(legs, back, arms-my new issue). I don't want a wheelchair at Disney. I am not mentally or emotionally ready to give up and sit in a chair-period. I was reading about the DAS at the beginning of this thread on the Disney website and on allears. I felt confident and good that this would be good for me. I could get a return time go sit on a bench let the family do what they want and then we could go on the ride together as a family with minimal impact on my family or my body. I thought this was going to be good. Now I've read multiple pages in this thread that have taken my positive outlook away. What if I don't get a DAS? Will they turn me away because someone doesn't understand my problem? I'm clear and concise and educated, I can advocate for myself but I never thought a CM would just say no. Is being rejected an isolated occurrence or is that something that could happen? Will I have to keep explaining over and over my needs with a DAS? I don't want to share with every CM my health history. I spend lots of my time on the sidelines watching my family instead of being included and I just want to have fun on my trip and be part of them. I just wanted vacation to be a time I can live my life and not watch my life go by. I would like to hear positive things on this thread about DAS not only the problems so I can see the overall experience to make a better judgment if DAS will be right for me.
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Old 10-23-2013, 09:51 AM   #877
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Been reading about the new updates about the KTTWK. So question about the fact they are not going to be giving out KTTWK anymore to resort guest and the cards they do give out can not be used in the FP kiosks. As I understand it they encourage DAS card users to also use both FP systems in addition to the DAS card to help with their touring. Anyone know what we can do so we can still get a KTTWK that can be used in the FP machines still or are we moving to not using the FP machines for the DAS card also?
Is that Guide for Guests with Disabilities printed or PDF only? If printed, you have to think they'll keep giving KTTW out for FP- access as long as FP- exists. Can you imagine throwing that many books away?
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Is that Guide for Guests with Disabilities printed or PDF only? If printed, you have to think they'll keep giving KTTW out for FP- access as long as FP- exists. Can you imagine throwing that many books away?
Apparently the KTTW will be blocking guests from getting paper FP or FP- I wonder if that could be enabled with the DAS.
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I have MS too. It's a lousy disease. The first time I ever asked for a GAC, it was suggested that I rent a wheelchair. I had used the word fatigue. Fatigue is really common in MS but it sounds like a stamina/endurance issue that can be solved by a wheelchair. You have to be able to describe any other issues related to the MS that are not stamina/endurance related. Once you get a DAS, you won't have to explain anything at the rides, only the one time at Guest Services, but it's highly likely that they will say no if all you ask for is because of the mobility issues.
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I have MS. I don't go around talking about it. Here is different because I'm not looking someone in the eye it is anonymous basically. Last trip by the end I was so exhausted and had so much leg pain. I walk I don't use a wheelchair. I am strong and suck up the pain. I also know this year I have gotten progressively worse. My day ends by 11 am because I am so tired and I 'm just dealing with the constant pain somewhere in my body(legs, back, arms-my new issue). I don't want a wheelchair at Disney. I am not mentally or emotionally ready to give up and sit in a chair-period.
I hear what you're saying, but I think you're looking at things the wrong way. Using a wheelchair is not "giving up," particularly when you are making things more painful for yourself in the short-term by trying to gut through it. A wheelchair is a tool that can be deployed by anyone when mobility and stamina become a problem. Everyone in the world needs certain tools to get through certain situations.

And quite frankly, given the information you have presented, the best accommodation for your needs is a wheelchair. You need something to help you with the stamina associated with walking all day, a place to sit and minimize impact on your body. You have mobility concerns. A wheelchair is the best solution for those problems, and one of the things Disney is doing to lessen the burden on the system of return times is making sure that people whose needs can be met without a return time are using those available alternate accommodations.

I am not trying to come off as overly harsh, but it is not Disney's job to accommodate people in alternate ways if they refuse, for whatever reason, reasonable accommodation. This is not an exactly parallel example, but I am extremely sound sensitive with my AS, especially when I get hot and tired. The accommodation for me is not to wait somewhere with as little sound stimulation but to make use of earplugs, no matter how much I think I look stupid wearing them.

I know a wheelchair is a totally different mental step to take. But it's not Disney's responsibility to offer alternate entrances if you're simply not ready to make the leap to using a wheelchair (in a situation where many others who can get through an average day without needing a wheelchair can and do use one because the circumstances dictate it's the best solution) just yet.
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ECV question. On rides like Kilimanjaro Safari does one have to get a return time to get in line with the ECV?
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I have MS. I don't go around talking about it. Here is different because I'm not looking someone in the eye it is anonymous basically. Last trip by the end I was so exhausted and had so much leg pain. I walk I don't use a wheelchair. I am strong and suck up the pain. I also know this year I have gotten progressively worse. My day ends by 11 am because I am so tired and I 'm just dealing with the constant pain somewhere in my body(legs, back, arms-my new issue). I don't want a wheelchair at Disney. I am not mentally or emotionally ready to give up and sit in a chair-period. I was reading about the DAS at the beginning of this thread on the Disney website and on allears. I felt confident and good that this would be good for me. I could get a return time go sit on a bench let the family do what they want and then we could go on the ride together as a family with minimal impact on my family or my body. I thought this was going to be good. Now I've read multiple pages in this thread that have taken my positive outlook away. What if I don't get a DAS? Will they turn me away because someone doesn't understand my problem? I'm clear and concise and educated, I can advocate for myself but I never thought a CM would just say no. Is being rejected an isolated occurrence or is that something that could happen? Will I have to keep explaining over and over my needs with a DAS? I don't want to share with every CM my health history. I spend lots of my time on the sidelines watching my family instead of being included and I just want to have fun on my trip and be part of them. I just wanted vacation to be a time I can live my life and not watch my life go by. I would like to hear positive things on this thread about DAS not only the problems so I can see the overall experience to make a better judgment if DAS will be right for me.
First off, I have JRA (Juvenile Rheumatoid Arthritis) so I can relate to a lot of the situations you face with pain and decreasing stamina and wanting to avoid wheelchairs as a sign of failure. I grew up with those issues. Been there, done it and got the t-shirt to prove it. Unfortunately my disease went unchecked so I also ended up with a lot of joint damage/deformity and permanent disability. It's no longer a question of how much willpower I have to overcome my body's weaknesses; I plain cannot go out and about without wheels or do pretty much anything without a special tool. It's these tools (like carrying around a dressing stick all day as a third arm/reacher) that make the difference between me staying at home in my bedroom or existing in the world with some semblance of a normal life.

One of the concerns you're dealing with is that mental barrier prohibiting you from using a tool that can help you far more than any DAS/GAC or alternate ride entry thing. Having wheels means you can enjoy just walking through the park enjoying the sights and sounds with your family and not being left on the sidelines to wait for them. You do not have to use a wheelchair. Instead I'd recommend you try an ECV. This will provide you a much more comfortable seat, basket for your stuff and the ability to conserve your strength for the places you want to get up and walk for. It doesn't have the same stigma as a wheelchair because ECV folks can get up and walk. (Yes I know there are some ignorant fools who then think they're lazy, but you just drive past them and ponder their parentage as you dismiss them.) Point is an ECV will allow you to enjoy far more of your day than any pass would. You'll be able to watch parades and fireworks from anywhere instead of having to find a bench. You can stroll through Osborne Lights and actually enjoy it without actively trying to ignore the pain in your legs.

I resisted the idea of getting a power chair for so many years because I feared the emotional repercussions. I'd been told it was a sign of failure. I was told people would pity me or think less of me.

You know what I discovered the first day I went out in a power chair? The world. For the first time I could go through a mall and look at the merchandise without worrying about tripping, my legs hurting so much I'd fall or where the nearest seat was. I could actually live a normal life. And those few idiots who pitied or mocked me...? Well I either was so busy living I didn't notice them or I just zoomed right on past them to go enjoy something else. Now if some makes a crack at me, I just laugh and roll away. And I remind myself just how foolish I was to deny myself use of this valuable tool.

Think about it, would you scrub the floor with a toothbrush if you had a mop handy?

Truth is DAS is meant for people who have problems being inside the regular queues. It's not going to get you onto a ride quicker. It's not meant for people who cannot stand long times, because they'll just be standing elsewhere. It's not perfect and there are issues left in how it accommodates different disabilities.

You will most likely be told you're better off renting an ECV because honestly that is true. But don't be discouraged. That advice is not meant to be cruel or uncaring. It's just recognizing that you are forcing yourself to miss out on so much more by not using this tool.
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No. Standby and FP lines both are big enough for ECVs. After the Standby/FP merge you will be directed to a separate wheelie boarding area. That's where the designated bus (which can take one wheelchair and about 20+ transfer passengers) boards. You'll park your ECV there, transfer to the ride and depart.
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No. Standby and FP lines both are big enough for ECVs. After the Standby/FP merge you will be directed to a separate wheelie boarding area. That's where the designated bus (which can take one wheelchair and about 20+ transfer passengers) boards. You'll park your ECV there, transfer to the ride and depart.
thank you! I've started to confuse myself!

One. Ore! Mom can't do stairs but doesn't need a specific ride vehicle at tsm. Can those two issues be reconciled?
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