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Old 10-16-2013, 06:37 AM   #691
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We stayed at Disney Sunday to Tuesday. In that time, only got one return time for DS and that was yesterday for the character spot.

We can make the DAS work out at the MK as long as ds does not know about a time being added to his card.

Epcot went fairly well on Sunday. The only attraction we went on was Spaceship Earth as we were leaving the park. Here we did not need the DAS. We went in the w/c entrance. I had never seen so many w/c and ECV parked inside. The whole park was very crowded. We sat on the bench. They took two families at a time onto the attraction. We waited about 10 minutes on the bench in the air conditioning, so all was well.

Yesterday we returned to Epcot to ride some attractions. First stop was the Character Stop. By the time I pulled out the DAS, the time had changed to 15 minutes. I gave his DAS and a return time of 14 minutes was placed on the card. He wanted to go to "Figment". So we headed over there. I made the first mistake of saying how odd it was that the time written on the card was for a 14 minute return instead of 5 minutes.

The queue for "Figment" was very short. It said 10 minutes but I don't think we even waited 5 minutes.

It was time to go back to the Character Stop but ds wanted to ride Nemo. I told him he can't use the DAS for that because he already has a return time on it. The standby time was 15 minutes. He insisted he was up to it. We figured the queue is pretty good at constantly moving so got in line.

With the GAC, we'd be directed through the gift shop to board. We hadn't used the standby queue in a long time. And I forgot how the first room echoes, is fairly dark, and close quarters as the queue winds around.

These were the longest 20 minutes. We entered and it was lined up almost to the door. I thought I remembered it goes quickly. BUT not anymore. There is now a FP+ queue. So the standby line would be stopped to let the other line go. DS started stimming. The louder the people in line got, the louder he stimmed. He was trying hard to self-regulate.

Dh and I stood as a block so the people behind him couldn't get to close. We kept the w/c at a good distance away from the people in front of us. We thought about how we could make a quick getaway. But it was wall to wall people in this first room and the w/c wouldn't have made it past the the ECVs or other w/cs in queue.

The 2nd room went much better. Not all of the queue was used so there were less people and a little less noise. And things got much, much better once we got pulled out of queue and put into the w/c queue outside of the main line.

He continued to stim on the attraction, and it was just a humming. The three of us were packed like a bunch of sardines into the car and he mentioned how good that deep pressure of us smooshed together felt. After the ride he even stopped a cm to ask how they tag their fish.

We got out of the building and headed to the Character Spot and he begged to go home. He said he couldn't take anymore he was exhausted. So we spent about an hour at Epcot before calling it quits. Yesterday afternoon and evening were a total waste and spent doing relaxation exercises and other calming activities. He could not focus on anything and said he didn't feel "right".

Lessons learned for us from these 3 days at Disney. DS will not be in the know when one of us gets a return time on his card for him. We will not let him in the know if we get Fast Passes. (That was from last Wednesday's experience.) Stand-by lines definitely don't work out well for him. There's plenty to do besides attractions and we'll need to focus on those things instead of the attractions.
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I have a question about the return times. Are you escorted onto the attraction at your return time or sent into the FP line to wait there? Thanks
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:31 AM   #694
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It was time to go back to the Character Stop but ds wanted to ride Nemo. I told him he can't use the DAS for that because he already has a return time on it. The standby time was 15 minutes. He insisted he was up to it. We figured the queue is pretty good at constantly moving so got in line.
In retrospect, if you had gotten the first DAS wait-time crossed out and gotten a new wait time at Nemo, would that have worked ok?
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I know this is a little it but for those who did nemo why a das did you find the new fast pass plus entrance to be better then the stand by. Since you cut most of the que or if you couldn't ride it before due to the dark que but now can because it brings you to the shooter part.

Sorry to go off topic but since they built it I was wondering if guest found it to be easier or had less of a problem.
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Old 10-16-2013, 09:53 AM   #696
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I know this is a little it but for those who did nemo why a das did you find the new fast pass plus entrance to be better then the stand by. Since you cut most of the que or if you couldn't ride it before due to the dark que but now can because it brings you to the shooter part.

Sorry to go off topic but since they built it I was wondering if guest found it to be easier or had less of a problem.
I wondered the same thing. My son is terrified of the Nemo queue but the Nemo ride is one of his favorites and he loves the movie so much. He watches the ride all the time on youtube. He used to get on the ride from the exit since he can't do the queue. How will it work now if you are afraid of the dark cave-like queues?
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I wondered the same thing. My son is terrified of the Nemo queue but the Nemo ride is one of his favorites and he loves the movie so much. He watches the ride all the time on youtube. He used to get on the ride from the exit since he can't do the queue. How will it work now if you are afraid of the dark cave-like queues?
The new part brings you to almost the front still a little dark but not as bad as the rest of the que. it brings you to where turtle talk exits so your only be in the que for a very little. So I am hoping that helps your son and other guest.
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So this is just the Disney version of catching up with the times. And yes, just like there was traffic when the "Big Dig" was actually happening, there is "traffic" now while the new system is being put in place. Not everything is perfect. Some things may need to be adjusted as Disney learns. But change is inevitable, the old system was not working, and this system is aiming to do what the ADA envisioned - create equality, not more, not less.

So let's give it a chance (and be glad it does not take 15 years to build) and see what happens after the first couple weeks.
Yes indeed change is inevitable. I only wish the inevitable change that continuously makes life harder and harder would have waited until my son was older and Disney wasn't so important to him.

I know that this makes it equal - it's just sad that equal means he won't be able to visit the parks anymore. I still shake my head when I say that equal means unaccessible for him because of his mental and emotional disabilities. But I am glad it makes it better for everyone else.
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We got ours no problem at HS on 10/9. We were actually the first DAS issued at the outside GS. Barely any questions asked. They asked what my son needed. I said I wasn't sure how to explain without trying the DAS first and perhaps coming back later if just getting return times didn't help. They took my sons picture and we were done in less than 10 minutes
That's great news! This is our first time going anywhere that is outside my sons comfort zone so I have never ha to ask for something like the DAS. We usually just go places where making sure we are near the exit is enough.
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I just got my DAS at Epcot. I am a GR CM at DAK. I could have easily gotten one there as they understand my disability and I have work restrictions. I wanted to sort of test Epcot out since some said they have issues but I am also doing a staycation and visiting the parks the next few days.

I have Crohn's Disease. Mine is severe and not well controlled. I had the GAC previously. It is difficult for me to be confined to the line queue because if I have an attack I have less than a minute to get to the bathroom. Having 200 people behind you in a snaking line queue makes exiting difficult.

I explained my needs and was told that the DAS would not help me because I would still need to enter the line queue at some point. I explained why I thought it was beneficial to me and that waiting the majority of the wait outside the line and then entering for a short period of time would work. I know myself and if I'm feeling funny I wouldn't enter the line at that time. (On a side note I haven't been on Ellen in several years cause its 40 minutes and NO EXIT) I also mentioned that I had used similar systems at USO and Seaworld.

I was issued a DAS card. Having both sides of the experience I feel it is important that you clearly state your needs. If you are offered other options or suggestions that you do not feel will work politely explain why.

I hope this helps. The CM I dealt with seemed really knowledgeable.

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Yes indeed change is inevitable. I only wish the inevitable change that continuously makes life harder and harder would have waited until my son was older and Disney wasn't so important to him.

I know that this makes it equal - it's just sad that equal means he won't be able to visit the parks anymore. I still shake my head when I say that equal means unaccessible for him because of his mental and emotional disabilities. But I am glad it makes it better for everyone else.
I agree and am glad that my son is older now and been to wdw many many times. This change may be for the better and will work for most. Unfortunately, it will not work as well for my family and others. I am afraid that our park trips will be few and far between from this point on. On a good note we will be branching out and using our DVC for other destinations.
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Yes indeed change is inevitable. I only wish the inevitable change that continuously makes life harder and harder would have waited until my son was older and Disney wasn't so important to him.

I know that this makes it equal - it's just sad that equal means he won't be able to visit the parks anymore. I still shake my head when I say that equal means unaccessible for him because of his mental and emotional disabilities. But I am glad it makes it better for everyone else.
Trust me, I understand how the new system is making the parks less accessible, at least for now. And Disney is hugely important to me. For me, in Disneyland, is it more about how they are handling wheelchairs, in addition to the DAS. I cannot push my wheelchair all over the place collecting attraction return times, and then circle back. I am pushing myself in a manual wheelchair - my options are limited.

And the DAS is supposed to give me priority over others in the wheelchair queue (after they have returned with their ticket) because sometimes that wheelchair queue can be quite long. It is less the time and more the place for me - more and more people think I fit somewhere on the spectrum (including my psychologist), and I know I have sensory problems. Sometimes being sent into a long, crowded, or loud wheelchair queue after already waiting my "turn" is annoying and unfair.

At this point, all I can do is tell Disney about it, give it two weeks, and hope for the best.

While I do not share your exact circumstances, I do understand that the new system is taxing emotionally and physically. And I hope Disney makes whatever alterations needed so that all can enjoy the parks again.
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In retrospect, if you had gotten the first DAS wait-time crossed out and gotten a new wait time at Nemo, would that have worked ok?
Not at that time, it wouldn't. He really wanted to see the characters. However, to ride the Living Seas again, it will be using a return time.

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I know this is a little it but for those who did nemo why a das did you find the new fast pass plus entrance to be better then the stand by. Since you cut most of the que or if you couldn't ride it before due to the dark que but now can because it brings you to the shooter part.

Sorry to go off topic but since they built it I was wondering if guest found it to be easier or had less of a problem.
I'm interested to know that too. And how the FP+ queue went. DS hates exiting Turtle Talk, so that will be interesting since someone here said it goes along side Turtle Talk.

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I wondered the same thing. My son is terrified of the Nemo queue but the Nemo ride is one of his favorites and he loves the movie so much. He watches the ride all the time on youtube. He used to get on the ride from the exit since he can't do the queue. How will it work now if you are afraid of the dark cave-like queues?
I hope it works out for you. My son had the exact same experience at a preview of Ariel's Grotto. The echo and noise was intolerable for him and we had to leave. A cm asked him what was wrong and he said it was too loud. That cm took him in through the exit. I'm so glad that was done for him. But we know to avoid there too.

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The new part brings you to almost the front still a little dark but not as bad as the rest of the que. it brings you to where turtle talk exits so your only be in the que for a very little. So I am hoping that helps your son and other guest.
I saw where the two queues meet. We'll try that sometime in the future. DS went to Occupational Therapy today and they increased him to add another day of the week for therapy. They are going to work on finding ways to tolerate it, they've added it as a new goal to his list. So hopefully he'll be able to try it once he learns better coping techniques. Also it was very busy yesterday at the park. Maybe on a slower park day would be better too.

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Yes indeed change is inevitable. I only wish the inevitable change that continuously makes life harder and harder would have waited until my son was older and Disney wasn't so important to him.

I know that this makes it equal - it's just sad that equal means he won't be able to visit the parks anymore. I still shake my head when I say that equal means unaccessible for him because of his mental and emotional disabilities. But I am glad it makes it better for everyone else.
The day after we first tried DAS, I asked my son what he thought about it. He said it wasn't fair. But it's how things are right now if he wants to go to Disney and he wants to go to Disney. My family has always done things differently at Disney, I guess we have to do it more differently.

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That's great news! This is our first time going anywhere that is outside my sons comfort zone so I have never ha to ask for something like the DAS. We usually just go places where making sure we are near the exit is enough.
At the F&W Festival's Authentic Taste Seminar, the cm allowed just one of us to pick up the tickets and once we had them to sit at a table and wait instead of in the line. We entered last and she put us in the back where we could make a quick exit if necessary. That was very helpful and big extra sprinkling of pixie dust.

We've asked the same at the 3D shows the first time he saw them. And it usually wasn't a problem. They also let him stay in the w/c instead of transferring to a seat, so he was seated where he felt cocooned and familiar.

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I just got my DAS at Epcot. I am a GR CM at DAK. I could have easily gotten one there as they understand my disability and I have work restrictions. I wanted to sort of test Epcot out since some said they have issues but I am also doing a staycation and visiting the parks the next few days.

I have Crohn's Disease. Mine is severe and not well controlled. I had the GAC previously. It is difficult for me to be confined to the line queue because if I have an attack I have less than a minute to get to the bathroom. Having 200 people behind you in a snaking line queue makes exiting difficult.

I explained my needs and was told that the DAS would not help me because I would still need to enter the line queue at some point. I explained why I thought it was beneficial to me and that waiting the majority of the wait outside the line and then entering for a short period of time would work. I know myself and if I'm feeling funny I wouldn't enter the line at that time. (On a side note I haven't been on Ellen in several years cause its 40 minutes and NO EXIT) I also mentioned that I had used similar systems at USO and Seaworld.

I was issued a DAS card. Having both sides of the experience I feel it is important that you clearly state your needs. If you are offered other options or suggestions that you do not feel will work politely explain why.

I hope this helps. The CM I dealt with seemed really knowledgeable.

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Thanks for sharing your experience.

Can you please report back which FP+ lines would be easy to make a quick exit and which ones wouldn't in a w/c?

I hope your staycation is lots of fun and that you feel great the whole time!
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I wondered the same thing. My son is terrified of the Nemo queue but the Nemo ride is one of his favorites and he loves the movie so much. He watches the ride all the time on youtube. He used to get on the ride from the exit since he can't do the queue. How will it work now if you are afraid of the dark cave-like queues?
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Hmm, that may mean I can't ride that at all anymore. It isn't safe for me to walk any distance at all in the darkness of the Nemo queue. Not a big loss, as it's not one of my favorite rides anyway, but still, check one off the accessible list.
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Hmm, that may mean I can't ride that at all anymore. It isn't safe for me to walk any distance at all in the darkness of the Nemo queue. Not a big loss, as it's not one of my favorite rides anyway, but still, check one off the accessible list.
If I remember correctly you have vision difficulties/impairments, correct? If the queue is unsafe for you, go to the CM at the line entrance, explain you have a vision impairment and the Nemo queue is not safe due to the sloping surfaces and darkness.

CMs are supposed to be making on-the-spot adjustments for people with vision difficulties, so if you tell them you cannot go in the queue, they should redirect you. I say "should," but definitely ask- asking cannot hurt!
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