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pmaurer74 · 01-20-2013, 01:27 PM

While I think that the deluxe pricing is going overboard I am surprised that you can stay on property at moderates and values so cheap! Because we like the deluxes we are considering getting a DVC. I do remember though being able to stay club level for the price of a standard view room just two years ago.

stargazertechie · 01-20-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HM

I think what makes it so hard is knowing that just five years ago or ten years ago, you paid so much less for the same things.

The prices for rooms have gone up much higher than I would have thought in a very short time. Back in 2001, I was able to stay in a room at AKL for $140 a night.

The average price of gas in January 2001 was $1.45/gallon. The average price of gas this week this year is $3.30/gallon That's a 127% increase

The rack rate of a standard room at AKL the last week of January this year is $313 a night. That's a 124% increase.

I don't think it's as crazy as everyone thinks it is.

Laketravis · 01-20-2013, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by stargazertechie

The average price of gas in January 2001 was $1.45/gallon. The average price of gas this week this year is $3.30/gallon That's a 127% increase

The rack rate of a standard room at AKL the last week of January this year is $313 a night. That's a 124% increase.

I don't think it's as crazy as everyone thinks it is.

Comparing a commodity to a recreational purchase is inaccurate.

I could offer that a 52" flat panel LCD was $2400 just three years ago and less than $800 now - a 66% decrease, but I don't think you'd accept that as a fair comparison.

Try comparing Disney hotel rate increases to the rest of the hotel industry for the past 36 months. I'm confident you'll find Disney's increases have outpaced the rest of the hospitality industry.

maxiesmom · 01-21-2013, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Laketravis

Try comparing Disney hotel rate increases to the rest of the hotel industry for the past 36 months. I'm confident you'll find Disney's increases have outpaced the rest of the hospitality industry.

That is still not a good comparison. I can't think of another place that owns so many resorts on their own property, that people stay at just to go visit parks owned by that same company. There really isn't anything that compares.

fla4fun · 01-21-2013, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by gratefulfred

As far as cedar point being expensive the entire industry follows disneys lead when disney raises prices they all do shortly after, not because they need to but because disney sets what they can get away with

Disney is not always the first to raise ticket prices, at least here in Orlando. Sometimes Universal does it first, and at least once, Sea World did it first. One year, Universal did it first, Disney upped them a dollar higher than Universal, so Universal raised their's another dollar! And then here came Sea World a couple weeks later, matching them.

The big difference is that Disney increases across the board, where Universal tends to raise the one day, but not necessarily raise the multi-day. That is why their prices seem to be more reasonable - most people don't buy a one day ticket to Universal or Disney.

DisOrBust · 01-28-2013, 02:31 PM

The room rates are crazy and WDW doesn't care as it "weans" the public off discounts. Well it's weaned my family off WDW.
Last spring break was the first time I ever stayed rack rate. Normally we stay at BC but I just could not justify it so we were at POR. The place was a ghost town. Our building was maybe 50% full. Rooms were available at any resort any level during our vacation on site but not at Bonnet Creek. They were book solid for 3 months prior.
We were AP holders and have gone 15 times or so now I don't see us returning any time soon.

jecon · 01-28-2013, 03:33 PM

Just an FYI... My dad always talks about how we stayed in the Contemporary Tower for $78 a night in 1979. I think w had a Bay Lake view. In today's dollars, that would be $246 and the 2013 rack rate for the room is $513 during a non peak time. Hmmmmmm

maxiesmom · 01-28-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by jecon

Just an FYI... My dad always talks about how we stayed in the Contemporary Tower for $78 a night in 1979. I think w had a Bay Lake view. In today's dollars, that would be $246 and the 2013 rack rate for the room is $513 during a non peak time. Hmmmmmm

You can't just compare the cost now with the cost then. Supply and demand plays a big part in how much a resort can charge. Another huge factor is back then there was only ONE Disney park in Florida. One! Looking at it that way, you are getting more for your money now than you did back then.

PKT531 · 01-28-2013, 03:45 PM

I think it's gotten pretty crazy. We only started going in 2008 and the increase of the room rates, tix and dining plan have been alot.

We stayed at the Poly for like 7 nights, with hoppers and reg. dining during July for around $4K. 2 adults, 2 kids. Its WAY more now and we can never stay at the Poly again.

sadossey · 01-28-2013, 07:11 PM

If you think Disney is expensive try pricing a ski vacation. I can take my family to WDW for a week for less than $2000 including on site lodging, food and tix. A week at a ski resort with lodging, food, and lift tix would cost a lot more. Probably closer to $4-5k. And they definitely won't drive you around or pick you up at the airport. Now, I love skiing but for my family we just can't afford that and after our first Disney trip last year we are hooked and think it's actually a pretty good value for our $. We did POR last year and doing Pop this year, Deluxes are too much for us but we are ok with that.

TJA · 01-28-2013, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DisOrBust

Last spring break was the first time I ever stayed rack rate. Normally we stay at BC but I just could not justify it so we were at POR. The place was a ghost town. Our building was maybe 50% full. Rooms were available at any resort any level during our vacation on site but not at Bonnet Creek. They were book solid for 3 months prior.
We were AP holders and have gone 15 times or so now I don't see us returning any time soon.

Ditto -- we also went at spring break last year with a AAA discount at WL and BC. Both resorts were "empty like it was slow season" according to the CM's there. I'm also an AP holder and wondering if disney will release a room deal for easter this year, or leave most resorts empty like last easter. The deluxe prices during this easter frame are NUTS and I'm not surprised the rooms are empty.

Shaden · 01-28-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sadossey

If you think Disney is expensive try pricing a ski vacation. I can take my family to WDW for a week for less than $2000 including on site lodging, food and tix. A week at a ski resort with lodging, food, and lift tix would cost a lot more. Probably closer to $4-5k. And they definitely won't drive you around or pick you up at the airport. Now, I love skiing but for my family we just can't afford that and after our first Disney trip last year we are hooked and think it's actually a pretty good value for our $. We did POR last year and doing Pop this year, Deluxes are too much for us but we are ok with that.

Yea, this really is some great perspective.

We are going on a little weekend trip, with some friends, sleeping 6 to a "Suite", for 2 nights, 260/person plus food, transport, rentals (we own, but well, that was pricy too). Grand total it will be about 800/couple non rental, 1000/couple with Rentals. And thats a crappy, 1000ft Verticle Ski spot. Basically $2800 for 6 people for 2 nights 3 days. Lol

Maybe thats also why I don't think disney is too pricey ?

Cap'nJack'sMum · 01-28-2013, 11:16 PM

I didn't read all of the replies, but taking a vacation to somewhere other than Disney puts things into perspective. Last summer we took a vacation to the Black Hills. We stayed in a motel, it was $200/night during the week and $250 on weekends. This was not during their peak season. The room wasn't as nice as POFQ/POR/CSR. It didn't have a restaurant. It didn't have a television. We stayed there because it was "in the middle of everything". To pay the same thing for a Mod that has more amenities, and is "in the middle of everything" *at WDW* is worth it to us.

Heck, when I go to visit my father in a small town in the midwest, we pay $170/night, and it's not even close to as nice as POP!

WILDERNESS FAN 55 · 01-28-2013, 11:40 PM

WOW A lot of exaggerating on here about "spring break being empty" Disney wouldn't be raising prices and would be giving bigger discounts if that were true from last year.(IMO 30% deal right now is pretty damn good besides but from the stories sounds like it should be 60%

) I'm thinking they did just fine. The quality of Disney entertainment is what brings people back.They know they are going to get a lot in return for their $. If people want to stay off site...well there has always been offsite hotels if that's what you want. BUT it's not a WDW vacation offsite it's just a vacation.

Coyotesweat · 01-29-2013, 02:20 AM

Hmm. Well, to stay in downtown Austin the cheapest rooms are about $65 at the super 8. I am staying at Pop for about $85 a night. Super 8 does have wifi and a seasonal pool (not open now), but has no kiddie pool, no arcade, no restaurant, no free buses to attractions, no fridge, no room safe, and no Disney. And Pop rooms are much nicer than Super 8. Cheapest rooms in popular destinations like New York and SanFrancisco are way more. Went to SF about 15 yrs ago and spent $79 a night for a room with the shared bathroom down the hall and considered myself lucky!

It is all relative. Personally, I think it is a good sign that more people like me can finally make that Disney trip they gave been putting off so they could pay the rent! And I don't mind sharing the park with others who have finally made it sort of to middle class! (I count myself, though I do not yet make the median income, but can pay my bills and afford value Disney if I work overtime and sell some stuff!). Better off than many!

01-20-2013, 01:27 PM	#46
pmaurer74 DIS Veteran Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 1,168	While I think that the deluxe pricing is going overboard I am surprised that you can stay on property at moderates and values so cheap! Because we like the deluxes we are considering getting a DVC. I do remember though being able to stay club level for the price of a standard view room just two years ago. __________________ CSR - business trip 12/03 WL CL - 1st family visit! - 7/10 Poly - 5/11 GF - 3/12 SSR/VWL - 6/12 BC CL - 6/13 Last edited by pmaurer74; 01-20-2013 at 01:33 PM.

01-28-2013, 03:45 PM	#54
PKT531 Mouseketeer Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 160	I think it's gotten pretty crazy. We only started going in 2008 and the increase of the room rates, tix and dining plan have been alot. We stayed at the Poly for like 7 nights, with hoppers and reg. dining during July for around $4K. 2 adults, 2 kids. Its WAY more now and we can never stay at the Poly again. __________________ July 2008...Polynesian December 2008...Polynesian August 2009...Ft Wilderness Cabins March 2010...POFQ June 2010...POP and Animal Kingdom Lodge June 2011...POR

01-28-2013, 11:16 PM	#58
Cap'nJack'sMum Psycho for The Mouse Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: MN Posts: 231	I didn't read all of the replies, but taking a vacation to somewhere other than Disney puts things into perspective. Last summer we took a vacation to the Black Hills. We stayed in a motel, it was $200/night during the week and $250 on weekends. This was not during their peak season. The room wasn't as nice as POFQ/POR/CSR. It didn't have a restaurant. It didn't have a television. We stayed there because it was "in the middle of everything". To pay the same thing for a Mod that has more amenities, and is "in the middle of everything" at WDW is worth it to us. Heck, when I go to visit my father in a small town in the midwest, we pay $170/night, and it's not even close to as nice as POP! __________________ Jen February 2007 - Animal Kingdom Lodge February 2008 - Coronado Springs January 2009 - POP Century February 2010 - POP Century February 2011 - POP Century August 2011 - POP Century/POFQ Split Stay January 2012 - POR August 2012 - POP Century/AKV Split Stay March 2013 - POP Century/Off-site Condo Split Stay August 2013 - Pool House/AKV Split Stay

01-28-2013, 11:40 PM	#59
WILDERNESS FAN 55 CANNOT GET ENOUGH Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Chicago area Posts: 439	WOW A lot of exaggerating on here about "spring break being empty" Disney wouldn't be raising prices and would be giving bigger discounts if that were true from last year.(IMO 30% deal right now is pretty damn good besides but from the stories sounds like it should be 60%) I'm thinking they did just fine. The quality of Disney entertainment is what brings people back.They know they are going to get a lot in return for their $. If people want to stay off site...well there has always been offsite hotels if that's what you want. BUT it's not a WDW vacation offsite it's just a vacation. __________________ We're not the only people on this Island and we all know it! Off site 72-76-76-77-78(MM 50th b-day) 79-81-82-85-86 FW-84-86-88-89-90-90-91-92-95-98 Poly 87 GF 88 CR 90 CBR 91-06-10 Disney Inn 93 ASM 95-96-02 CS 98 POFQ 97 DIXIE-00 POR 07-08 WL 11 DL (Honeymoon) 77-03 OKW Soon

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01-28-2013, 02:31 PM	#51
DisOrBust Tag Fairy does tags only, the Avatar Fairy must have done that one! Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Sussex, WI Posts: 2,332	The room rates are crazy and WDW doesn't care as it "weans" the public off discounts. Well it's weaned my family off WDW. Last spring break was the first time I ever stayed rack rate. Normally we stay at BC but I just could not justify it so we were at POR. The place was a ghost town. Our building was maybe 50% full. Rooms were available at any resort any level during our vacation on site but not at Bonnet Creek. They were book solid for 3 months prior. We were AP holders and have gone 15 times or so now I don't see us returning any time soon.

01-28-2013, 03:33 PM	#52
jecon Earning My Ears Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 48	Just an FYI... My dad always talks about how we stayed in the Contemporary Tower for $78 a night in 1979. I think w had a Bay Lake view. In today's dollars, that would be $246 and the 2013 rack rate for the room is $513 during a non peak time. Hmmmmmm

01-28-2013, 07:11 PM	#55
sadossey Mouseketeer Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: North Alabama Posts: 192	If you think Disney is expensive try pricing a ski vacation. I can take my family to WDW for a week for less than $2000 including on site lodging, food and tix. A week at a ski resort with lodging, food, and lift tix would cost a lot more. Probably closer to $4-5k. And they definitely won't drive you around or pick you up at the airport. Now, I love skiing but for my family we just can't afford that and after our first Disney trip last year we are hooked and think it's actually a pretty good value for our $. We did POR last year and doing Pop this year, Deluxes are too much for us but we are ok with that.

01-29-2013, 02:20 AM	#60
Coyotesweat Mouseketeer Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Austin Posts: 175	Hmm. Well, to stay in downtown Austin the cheapest rooms are about $65 at the super 8. I am staying at Pop for about $85 a night. Super 8 does have wifi and a seasonal pool (not open now), but has no kiddie pool, no arcade, no restaurant, no free buses to attractions, no fridge, no room safe, and no Disney. And Pop rooms are much nicer than Super 8. Cheapest rooms in popular destinations like New York and SanFrancisco are way more. Went to SF about 15 yrs ago and spent $79 a night for a room with the shared bathroom down the hall and considered myself lucky! It is all relative. Personally, I think it is a good sign that more people like me can finally make that Disney trip they gave been putting off so they could pay the rent! And I don't mind sharing the park with others who have finally made it sort of to middle class! (I count myself, though I do not yet make the median income, but can pay my bills and afford value Disney if I work overtime and sell some stuff!). Better off than many!