I don´t want to bring bad news but....

[nooneshome]

Originally Posted by tink1953

Does Disney really think the economy is going to get better any time soon??
Its like they don't want to entice the public to come visit.....prices keep going up and they are offering less ...free dining makes it possible for families to do the character meals which they otherwise could not afford..

I just don't get it????

BArb

ITA The economy is not getting better and may even take a turn for the worse. Our Disney trips are getting further and further apart. It will be two years since our last trip and the new offer just isn't as good for us to book. Maybe if they offered FD we could go.

[davedmaine]

Originally Posted by tink1953

Does Disney really think the economy is going to get better any time soon??
Its like they don't want to entice the public to come visit.....prices keep going up and they are offering less ...free dining makes it possible for families to do the character meals which they otherwise could not afford..

I just don't get it????

BArb

You know Disney is a business, right?

[mommymanda]

Originally Posted by loveshak22

That's a really good point. Let's say they don't really do any good GP discounts and the rooms book up...win for Disney. Let's say they don't do any good GP discounts and they book some rooms but still have a lot open then they can release a lot of PIN codes to fill up the vacancy. I'm sure there will be a lot of people who will book if they get a PIN code who wanted to book but couldn't without the discounts...fill up the rooms but with less discounts so still a win for Disney.

Makes sense, but a family like me who's been saving for almost a year to go on a unique vacation we've never gone before. I am booking SOMETHING by April, if Disney hasn't released a deal that allows us to afford during our time off than I will be going elsewhere. So if they wait too long they will still lose out buisness from what I see.

[aubreysmom09]

I hope something comes out for the last week of October or second week of December. It's a ways off, so I will just be patient. I would be happy with FD,SPD, or even RO. It will make a difference between a week, or 4 nights and us staying at our timeshare going to other parks.

[tink1953]

Originally Posted by davedmaine

You know Disney is a business, right?

Yes and have you ever looked at what they own??


http://www.cjr.org/resources/?c=disney


Why not make the parks afforable like Walt wanted??

[Srbright]

Originally Posted by tink1953

Does Disney really think the economy is going to get better any time soon??
Its like they don't want to entice the public to come visit.....prices keep going up and they are offering less ...free dining makes it possible for families to do the character meals which they otherwise could not afford..

I just don't get it????

BArb

The economy is already and continues to improve. Running that park is terribly expensive and I don't believe they are charging more than it's worth even without the discounts.

Take the new Fantasy Land, Belles Enchanted Tales (what I believe they call it). We were fortunate enough to be able to view a preview run in September. They had 9 people running it, not counting the photographer and handler.

Even at minimum wage (which I know the face character isn't making that), you're looking at $1,000 per day JUST in the people for ONE activity. That doesn't count the capital expense of what was a fascinating building.

Stacy

[2Tiggies]

It's very likely, based on the fact that Disney International (which handles UK and European bookings) has been doing this for several years now with no FD on values, QSDP for mods and DDP for Deluxe resorts. The ray of hope here (and it is HOPE) is that since they have been doing that, FD has covered far more dates with fewer blackouts than the disney.com has had.

Thank you for the info OP. Happy New Year

[meggiebeth]

Here in the UK, values get no DDP. Moderates get QSDP and deluxes get DDP. It seems they may be cutting back like it is here.

We do get a lot of FD opportunities here though... All the way through July to December, for example... No specific dates. We also can combine a FD discount with a room discount. Last year we saved 45% on SSR and got free dining. This year we have saved 35% on SSR and got free DDP. Without the discounts, we will not be going back to Disney because we just can't afford it otherwise staying onsite, and we would never want to go staying offsite, the thought!!!

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[Srbright]

Originally Posted by tink1953

Yes and have you ever looked at what they own??

http://www.cjr.org/resources/?c=disney

Why not make the parks affordable like Walt wanted??

How do you believe their holding should effect their discounts?

It is affordable enough that in 2011 17 million people visited and AoA proves that they are adding capacity. There is an economic opportunity cost to making it "cheaper" to go. There would be more visitors, more hotels needed more buses and transportation without the revenue to pay for those things or to make capital investments. Fantasyland alone cost an estimated $300-$425 million dollars to create.

Stacy

[tink1953]

Originally Posted by Srbright

How do you believe their holding should effect their discounts?

It is affordable enough that in 2011 17 million people visited and AoA proves that they are adding capacity. There is an economic opportunity cost to making it "cheaper" to go. There would be more visitors, more hotels needed more buses and transportation without the revenue to pay for those things or to make capital investments. Fantasyland alone cost an estimated $300-$425 million dollars to create.

Stacy

I just hope they reconsider putting millions into Avatar land....

[Dixiemom]

Not the best news for many. Was hoping to move up from a value to a moderate but don't know if I can swing it now. That said, I'll have to crunch the numbers for a moderate with FD, a moderate with RO and no FR, and a value with both as well.....if it isn't too much of a difference to go with the mod, I'm doing it!

[bigbabyblues]

Originally Posted by tink1953

I just hope they reconsider putting millions into Avatar land....

My thoughts on Disney discounts differs from a lot of people, but I wholeheartedly agree with this! I was glad that Avatarland wasn't the big announcement last night.

[TheRatPack]

Well it saddens me, as we've used that discount for years and years. My husband's first reaction was 'well then we just won't go!' LOL......ummmm, yea, sure. I will still find a way to go, whether it's going less days or staying off site.

Nothing good last forever.

[MamaJessie]

Originally Posted by danny25

It SEEMS (only that,seems, we must wait things may change) that the next FD offer will be a litle different from last years promotions, moderates and the luxes will get QSDP and nothing for values, I see clouds in the horizon , sorry for that, and let´s celebrate the New Year with our beloved ones. The most magical and happy new year for all of you

Well, I have to admit that would be disappointing. I understand Disney is a business that owes me nothing but it does mean I would definitely do a split stay, going off site for some Universal days, and maybe even a WP day and then go onsite for our Disney days. With free dining I have an incentive to stay on site the entire time, without I don't.

[sunsetbeachgal]

They have alot of expensive resort rooms to keep occupied and alot of IMHO very overpriced dining venues to keep filled....so only time will tell if strategy will be effective...

We had free QS with our most recent stay at Coronado Springs and we liked it...we do not like to spend alot of our Disney time sitting in restaurants, and there are some very good QS options that helpful people on these boards made me aware of...