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nedac · 12-16-2012, 11:02 PM

Ok, I am 54 days out and freaking out right about now because I just learned about the Real ID issue. If you don't know what I am referring to, this article should bring you up to speed:

Decision on La. passport requirement for domestic travel expected this week

By Adam Pearson
Published Dec 10, 2012 at 10:00 am (Updated Dec 10, 2012)
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Decision on La. passport requirement for domestic travel expected this week

By mid-January, Louisiana residents could need a passport to fly within the United States. There are a lot of unknowns regarding Louisiana's non-compliance with the federal REAL ID Act of 2005, but some of them could be cleared up later this week.

Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles Commissioner Stephen Campbell says the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has promised him that the Transportation Security Administration will announce its decision this week on whether or not state-issued driver's licenses will continue to be valid identification cards for flying domestically and entering federal buildings.

Campbell spent all of last week in Washington, D.C., attending a conference and seeking answers pertaining to what could happen if Louisiana doesn't get an extension to comply with the REAL ID Act, which is poised to take effect Jan. 14.

"We're still hopeful that there will be an extension or some other compromise," says Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport spokesman Jim Caldwell.

Louisiana will meet most standards of the REAL ID Act that the 9/11 Commission implemented, Campbell says. At issue is the addition of a gold star to Louisiana driver's licenses to indicate the state is in compliance with federal law and that its residents have a nationally recognized identification number. Louisiana House Bill 715 makes it unlawful to fully implement the ID Act.

"We were worried about identity theft, the privacy issues," says state Rep. Brett Geymann, R-Lake Charles, who sponsored the bill.
Since Louisiana and other states that not in compliance with the federal law have already been issued three extensions in the past, Geymann says he would be highly surprised if Homeland Security did not issue another extension.

"The airline industry would go bankrupt in one day" if an extension is not granted, says Geymann, noting the state could be fully compliant by the end of 2013.

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We never fly, but decided to treat our boys this time. I have $1100 in plane tickets for 2/8/13 and I don't know what to do. I am on a tight budget for this trip and I really can't afford passports too, but I can't afford to lose $1100 either. I also don't want to spend money on passports and find out that I didn't need them. I have emailed every person and agency I can think of and cannot get a straight answer as to if my LA drivers license will work. And, the deadline referred to in the article has come and gone. I can't even find a mention of this on the TSA, DHS or airline website.

Has anyone else heard anything about this? It's worth noting that LA isn't the only state n non-compliance. There are others.

Horace Horsecollar · 12-17-2012, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nedac

Ok, I am 54 days out and freaking out right about now because I just learned about the Real ID issue.

No need to freak out.

There have been similar scare stories for years now.

Here's what the TSA says: http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/acceptable-ids

Without getting into the politics of REAL ID, the battle is between the Federal Government and many states. If Louisiana were the only state not in full compliance, there might be cause for concern. But, for time being, the TSA really has no choice but to accept state drivers licenses.

Illinois, where I live, has committed to fewer REAL ID benchmarks than Louisiana. But I'm not worried. I already have a half dozen domestic air roundtrips planned for 2013, and I don't plan to bring my passport to the airport.

lost*in*cyberspace · 12-17-2012, 08:47 AM

Even if this passes and becomes effective in Jan 2013, you don't need to worry about a Feb. trip. It takes time to process passports and there is no way there won't be a period of many months before passports are required for travel. Seems like a ridiculous requirement anyway.

Have a good trip and stop worrying.

nedac · 12-17-2012, 09:57 AM

Thanks for the replies... you know how it is... the closer the trip gets, the more the details creep up on you.

The guy in the article did make a point when he said that the airlines would go bankrupt if this passed... the amount of people that would show up to the airport on 1/15 with no passport would be insane.

NotUrsula · 12-17-2012, 05:39 PM

Technically, you don't need photo ID to travel domestically in the US; it is perfectly possible for an adult to fly without it. However, if you don't have a valid government-issued photo ID, you do get subjected to a secondary TSA search. That's not fun, but it means that even if the passport became the only valid ID for your state, you could still fly domestically without one.

3BoysRDisneyFreaks · 12-17-2012, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotUrsula

Technically, you don't need photo ID to travel domestically in the US; it is perfectly possible for an adult to fly without it. However, if you don't have a valid government-issued photo ID, you do get subjected to a secondary TSA search. That's not fun, but it means that even if the passport became the only valid ID for your state, you could still fly domestically without one.

After losing my ID at EPCOT on our last day back in October I found out you can fly with only a credit card and an insurance card with your name on it. AND I didn't get a secondary search. Both scary and nice at the same time. I was in a panic and it all worked out. EPCOT found my license and mailed it to me a week later.

Sarah

lylone · 12-17-2012, 06:56 PM

I think that act in GA is now requiring you to show a BC, passport, proof of address and for married women..a marriage certificate to renew a valid current GA drivers license. It was all over tthe news a while back and waits at the DMV were over 5 hours. Older married women who had been married for decades wete being turned away for not having a certified marriage certificate.
It IS NUTS!

bumbershoot · 12-17-2012, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lylone

I think that act in GA is now requiring you to show a BC, passport, proof of address and for married women..a marriage certificate to renew a valid current GA drivers license. It was all over tthe news a while back and waits at the DMV were over 5 hours. Older married women who had been married for decades wete being turned away for not having a certified marriage certificate.
It IS NUTS!

I imagine that the marriage certificate wasn't simply for married women, but for anyone who changed their name after getting married.

Why wouldn't someone have a certified marriage certificate, though? Heck, I have my MOM's, and she divorced my dad 39 years ago...

Glad you've calmed down, OP.

NJRRK · 12-17-2012, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bumbershoot

I imagine that the marriage certificate wasn't simply for married women, but for anyone who changed their name after getting married.

Why wouldn't someone have a certified marriage certificate, though? Heck, I have my MOM's, and she divorced my dad 39 years ago...

Glad you've calmed down, OP.

My parents had been married for over 60 years when my mom needed her marriage certificate for her drivers license. Things get lost. Luckily they still live in the town they got married in. I joked with her and asked how she lost a stone tablet.

nedac · 12-18-2012, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotUrsula

Technically, you don't need photo ID to travel domestically in the US; it is perfectly possible for an adult to fly without it. However, if you don't have a valid government-issued photo ID, you do get subjected to a secondary TSA search. That's not fun, but it means that even if the passport became the only valid ID for your state, you could still fly domestically without one.

This is the response I received from the DHS via my state reps office. And yes, I contacted everyone.

CPT Tripss · 12-19-2012, 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NotUrsula

Technically, you don't need photo ID to travel domestically in the US; it is perfectly possible for an adult to fly without it. However, if you don't have a valid government-issued photo ID, you do get subjected to a secondary TSA search. That's not fun, but it means that even if the passport became the only valid ID for your state, you could still fly domestically without one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3BoysRDisneyFreaks

After losing my ID at EPCOT on our last day back in October I found out you can fly with only a credit card and an insurance card with your name on it. AND I didn't get a secondary search. Both scary and nice at the same time. I was in a panic and it all worked out. EPCOT found my license and mailed it to me a week later.

Sarah

Ever wonder why the possession of a piece of paper, or the absence of one, determines how rigorous a security check one receives?

candfandm · 12-19-2012, 03:48 PM

Nedac, I too was worried when I first heard of this in Louisiana and will be flying to MCO also in early Feb. Just to be safe my family got passport cards. It is not good for air travel international but is good for domestic travel in case this Act is not extended for Louisiana. It was only $30.00 plus the $25.00 filing fee instead of total of $135. If your kids are under 18 they still will not need any ID for domestic even if this the Real Act ID ruling is not extended for us. I got mine in 2 weeks after I filed.
I contact someone in charge at Baton Rouge Airport in late November and this was the reply I got:

Unfortunately, we cannot tell you definitively that passports will be required. It is possible that Homeland Security will agree to another extension (it was extended 3 times previously), and we hope to get a statement from them soon. I am hesitant to speculate about it, but most sources we have contacted seem optimistic that an extension or other action may occur such as additional screening for travelers from states not in compliance.

By the way, this only affects adults with driver's licenses; children under 18 would not have to show a passport as an alternative to a LA DL.

I know this is not much help, but I would not want to advise you that passports will definitely be required and then have an announcement about an extension come out next week. I do, however, think we will have some type of communication about it from Homeland Security very soon.

Thanks,

Jim Caldwell

Air Service Development, Marketing & Public Relations Manager

Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport

Office (225) 355-0333

Cell (225) 931-9098

jcaldwell@brgov.com

nedac · 12-20-2012, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by candfandm

Nedac, I too was worried when I first heard of this in Louisiana and will be flying to MCO also in early Feb. Just to be safe my family got passport cards. It is not good for air travel international but is good for domestic travel in case this Act is not extended for Louisiana. It was only $30.00 plus the $25.00 filing fee instead of total of $135. If your kids are under 18 they still will not need any ID for domestic even if this the Real Act ID ruling is not extended for us. I got mine in 2 weeks after I filed.
I contact someone in charge at Baton Rouge Airport in late November and this was the reply I got:

Unfortunately, we cannot tell you definitively that passports will be required. It is possible that Homeland Security will agree to another extension (it was extended 3 times previously), and we hope to get a statement from them soon. I am hesitant to speculate about it, but most sources we have contacted seem optimistic that an extension or other action may occur such as additional screening for travelers from states not in compliance.

By the way, this only affects adults with driver's licenses; children under 18 would not have to show a passport as an alternative to a LA DL.

I know this is not much help, but I would not want to advise you that passports will definitely be required and then have an announcement about an extension come out next week. I do, however, think we will have some type of communication about it from Homeland Security very soon.

Thanks,

Jim Caldwell

Air Service Development, Marketing & Public Relations Manager

Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport

Office (225) 355-0333

Cell (225) 931-9098

jcaldwell@brgov.com

Jim is the one I talked to as well... he also told me he suspects, at worst, we would have a longer screening process.

I hate to go and purchase a passport card that I will never need.

Lewisc · 12-20-2012, 12:37 PM

I don't think NJ is real ID compliant either.

The airline industry won't go broke. You may need to bring extra ID and/or be subject to additional security checks.

Getting a passport is something some people should consider. Obviously not worth it just for the possibility of slightly less screening. There are a lot of deals on sites like travelzoo. Cruises which sometimes need a passport and sometimes a birth certificate is OK.

nedac · 12-24-2012, 10:23 PM

FYI... We were granted deferment... Yay!

http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...ce-REAL-ID-Act

12-16-2012, 11:02 PM	#1
nedac Mouseketeer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 397	Real ID Ok, I am 54 days out and freaking out right about now because I just learned about the Real ID issue. If you don't know what I am referring to, this article should bring you up to speed: Decision on La. passport requirement for domestic travel expected this week By Adam Pearson Published Dec 10, 2012 at 10:00 am (Updated Dec 10, 2012) ShareThis Related Stories Decision on La. passport requirement for domestic travel expected this week By mid-January, Louisiana residents could need a passport to fly within the United States. There are a lot of unknowns regarding Louisiana's non-compliance with the federal REAL ID Act of 2005, but some of them could be cleared up later this week. Louisiana Office of Motor Vehicles Commissioner Stephen Campbell says the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has promised him that the Transportation Security Administration will announce its decision this week on whether or not state-issued driver's licenses will continue to be valid identification cards for flying domestically and entering federal buildings. Campbell spent all of last week in Washington, D.C., attending a conference and seeking answers pertaining to what could happen if Louisiana doesn't get an extension to comply with the REAL ID Act, which is poised to take effect Jan. 14. "We're still hopeful that there will be an extension or some other compromise," says Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport spokesman Jim Caldwell. Louisiana will meet most standards of the REAL ID Act that the 9/11 Commission implemented, Campbell says. At issue is the addition of a gold star to Louisiana driver's licenses to indicate the state is in compliance with federal law and that its residents have a nationally recognized identification number. Louisiana House Bill 715 makes it unlawful to fully implement the ID Act. "We were worried about identity theft, the privacy issues," says state Rep. Brett Geymann, R-Lake Charles, who sponsored the bill. Since Louisiana and other states that not in compliance with the federal law have already been issued three extensions in the past, Geymann says he would be highly surprised if Homeland Security did not issue another extension. "The airline industry would go bankrupt in one day" if an extension is not granted, says Geymann, noting the state could be fully compliant by the end of 2013. ------------ We never fly, but decided to treat our boys this time. I have $1100 in plane tickets for 2/8/13 and I don't know what to do. I am on a tight budget for this trip and I really can't afford passports too, but I can't afford to lose $1100 either. I also don't want to spend money on passports and find out that I didn't need them. I have emailed every person and agency I can think of and cannot get a straight answer as to if my LA drivers license will work. And, the deadline referred to in the article has come and gone. I can't even find a mention of this on the TSA, DHS or airline website. Has anyone else heard anything about this? It's worth noting that LA isn't the only state n non-compliance. There are others. __________________ Trips: October 2013 - Coronado Springs February 2013 - Port Orleans Riverside April 2012 - Wyndham Bonnet Creek October 2011 - All Star Music October 2010 - Port Orleans Riverside November 2009 - All Star Movies November 2008 - POP Century October 2007-POP Century November 2006 - All-Star Movies May 2000 - Off-site July 1997 - Off-site __________________________

12-17-2012, 09:57 AM	#4
nedac Mouseketeer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 397	Thanks for the replies... you know how it is... the closer the trip gets, the more the details creep up on you. The guy in the article did make a point when he said that the airlines would go bankrupt if this passed... the amount of people that would show up to the airport on 1/15 with no passport would be insane. __________________ Trips: October 2013 - Coronado Springs February 2013 - Port Orleans Riverside April 2012 - Wyndham Bonnet Creek October 2011 - All Star Music October 2010 - Port Orleans Riverside November 2009 - All Star Movies November 2008 - POP Century October 2007-POP Century November 2006 - All-Star Movies May 2000 - Off-site July 1997 - Off-site __________________________

12-17-2012, 06:56 PM	#7
lylone All our dreams can come true, if we have the courage to pursue them Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: ATL Posts: 358	I think that act in GA is now requiring you to show a BC, passport, proof of address and for married women..a marriage certificate to renew a valid current GA drivers license. It was all over tthe news a while back and waits at the DMV were over 5 hours. Older married women who had been married for decades wete being turned away for not having a certified marriage certificate. It IS NUTS! __________________

12-24-2012, 10:23 PM	#15
nedac Mouseketeer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 397	FYI... We were granted deferment... Yay! http://www.theadvertiser.com/article...ce-REAL-ID-Act __________________ Trips: October 2013 - Coronado Springs February 2013 - Port Orleans Riverside April 2012 - Wyndham Bonnet Creek October 2011 - All Star Music October 2010 - Port Orleans Riverside November 2009 - All Star Movies November 2008 - POP Century October 2007-POP Century November 2006 - All-Star Movies May 2000 - Off-site July 1997 - Off-site __________________________

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12-17-2012, 08:47 AM	#3
lostincyberspace DIS Veteran Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 6,144	Even if this passes and becomes effective in Jan 2013, you don't need to worry about a Feb. trip. It takes time to process passports and there is no way there won't be a period of many months before passports are required for travel. Seems like a ridiculous requirement anyway. Have a good trip and stop worrying.

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NotUrsula DIS Veteran Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: USA Posts: 13,880	Technically, you don't need photo ID to travel domestically in the US; it is perfectly possible for an adult to fly without it. However, if you don't have a valid government-issued photo ID, you do get subjected to a secondary TSA search. That's not fun, but it means that even if the passport became the only valid ID for your state, you could still fly domestically without one.

12-19-2012, 03:48 PM	#12
candfandm Mouseketeer Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 111	Nedac, I too was worried when I first heard of this in Louisiana and will be flying to MCO also in early Feb. Just to be safe my family got passport cards. It is not good for air travel international but is good for domestic travel in case this Act is not extended for Louisiana. It was only $30.00 plus the $25.00 filing fee instead of total of $135. If your kids are under 18 they still will not need any ID for domestic even if this the Real Act ID ruling is not extended for us. I got mine in 2 weeks after I filed. I contact someone in charge at Baton Rouge Airport in late November and this was the reply I got: Unfortunately, we cannot tell you definitively that passports will be required. It is possible that Homeland Security will agree to another extension (it was extended 3 times previously), and we hope to get a statement from them soon. I am hesitant to speculate about it, but most sources we have contacted seem optimistic that an extension or other action may occur such as additional screening for travelers from states not in compliance. By the way, this only affects adults with driver's licenses; children under 18 would not have to show a passport as an alternative to a LA DL. I know this is not much help, but I would not want to advise you that passports will definitely be required and then have an announcement about an extension come out next week. I do, however, think we will have some type of communication about it from Homeland Security very soon. Thanks, Jim Caldwell Air Service Development, Marketing & Public Relations Manager Baton Rouge Metropolitan Airport Office (225) 355-0333 Cell (225) 931-9098 jcaldwell@brgov.com

12-20-2012, 12:37 PM	#14
Lewisc DIS Veteran Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 17,608	I don't think NJ is real ID compliant either. The airline industry won't go broke. You may need to bring extra ID and/or be subject to additional security checks. Getting a passport is something some people should consider. Obviously not worth it just for the possibility of slightly less screening. There are a lot of deals on sites like travelzoo. Cruises which sometimes need a passport and sometimes a birth certificate is OK.